For the record, I think both of them could lose there next fight but I do pick Hatton only because Ive never liked the way Castillo looks at 140 and he's getting older. However, if either or both of them win do you think there finally ready for Floyd? I dont mean do you think there ready skill wise, I mean do you think they will finally step up to the challange. Will either of them finally talk about fighting Floyd in there next fight?
Surprisingly, I havent heard anything from Hatton since the Floyd fight. He was so sure that Oscar would win and he called him out but now that Floyd won, will he call him out? As much smack as him and his team talks, I still dont think they will step up yet. They probally will want another tuneup at 147 first.
Now, on the other hand I think Arum is really starting to get confidence in Cotto. 1st Arum use to talk the talk but now he seems like he's putting Cotto out there. Part if it seems like because he thinks Cotto's legit but part of it also seems like Arum just doesnt really care about milking him anymore and he's ready to get paid with some big fights. He's putting him up against a dangerous guy in Zab and he was going to put him up against a dangerous guy in Margarito. I pick Zab by KO but Im also a big believer in that some things are just meant to happened. I could see Cotto winning and Arum offering Floyd big money for a Cotto fight in NYC. What do you guys think? Will either guy step up to Floyd after this?
If Floyd wants to be remembered as p4p #1 he needs to beat Hatton, Cotto, Mosley and De La Hoya in a rematch. Then he has the right to say hes up there with Leonard and the rest.
Here is my problem though. No one ever gives him credit for trying to make a fight. He's the only guy no one gives credit to for that. He's been turned down alot by guys but no one cares. He's tried to get a fight with every guy you just named and all of them said no at one point but he gets no credit for him. If your not going to give him credit then atleast stop ripping him for it. I hate it when people does that. Floyd tried to get a Oscar fight for years, Floyd tried to get Mosley just before this Oscar fight but he said no, Floyd has tried to get Hatton many times but Hatton has said no, and we all know that Arum wouldnt let Cotto anywhere near him. Thats why I dont think its fair. Then, if those guys say no all those times but then at the end they say yes and he says its too late then everyone will call him a bitch but no one said anything to those guys. I just dont get that
Hardly any of you answered my question. Again, I wasnt asking are they good enough. I was asking would either of them really step up and demand the fight because so far they havent. They always talk about it down the line.
I disagree with everyone who thinks Floyd will only come back for Oscar. Despite all that crap Floyd talks, he is a fighter. Dude trains non stop and theres no way he's just going to stop doing that. Even his Uncle said there's too much money around to retire. You dont think his Uncle and people around him will talk him into fighting these guys.
I also disagree with people saying those guys can come close to him or Floyd will lose. The only guy I think that can beat him is Winky but I dont think that fight will come off. Winky could win just strictly because of the size factor. I think Floyd cruised against Oscar and still won. I think he was worried alot about the size difference. He would be much more active in a rematch and I think he would dominate him. Besides Winky, Mosley is the only guy who has a shot but I dont think he has enough D or his strategy is good enough to win.
There is no way in hell that Floyd would turn down a Cotto fight. Arum would put up a ton of money and Floyd thinks he can kill him. So do I. The Hatton fight is more tricky. Again, there is no way in hell that Floyd would turn down a oppurtunity of fighting Hatton because he thinks it is a easy fight but the problem is that I dont know if the money will be there. Hatton isnt a big name in America and Floyd wont go over seas. I think Hatton will have to pay Floyd a crazy amount of money to come over to fight him and thats the only way it happeneds. I think that is very possible though because Floyd's name is huge over there, they have huge arenas, and it will be a major thing in that country for Floyd to fight there boy.
Still, Cotto & Hatton are not Oscar and I dont know why people keep comparing. Floyd looked very solidly built in that Oscar fight and had nice pop. I think he will be a full blown WW next time he fights and those 2 guys wont posses anywhere near the size of a Delhoya.
I am sure Hatton knows losing is a possibility against PBF, but on the same token Hatton i am sure is confident that he knows how to beat him. Hatton does what he does well and it might be enough. PBF might even choose the wrong way to box Hatton. There is a fine line between winning and losing. PBF if he continues to box will lose eventually and to say the loss will be to Hatton wouldnt exactly shock me to death.
Anything can happen, look if mayweather fights on he will lose, most fighters lose at some point (the ones who fight proper fighters), its how they deal with it which matters.
Yes Hatton could win if floyd boxes shockingly, goes old, gets shot, etc,
If floyd's physical strength is fine, and he adjusts well to moving down a weight, doesnt lose speed and power (like what happened to roy jones) i cant see Hatton winning, Skill for Skill, it doesnt make sense imo.
De La Hoya is the better fighter by far imo, he's the first guy who has shown people a legit way to unsettle mayweather, no swarming wont be enough. I keep saying this
Hatton only has ONE way to win the fight, plough forward and hope he doesnt get picked off
Mayweather has multiple ways to win the fight.
I think in his heart he knows he can lose, its the way he praises mayweather, almost like he is in awe of him, ive noticed that in his interviews, he always brings up Floyd.
I am sure Hatton knows losing is a possibility against PBF, but on the same token Hatton i am sure is confident that he knows how to beat him. Hatton does what he does well and it might be enough. PBF might even choose the wrong way to box Hatton. There is a fine line between winning and losing. PBF if he continues to box will lose eventually and to say the loss will be to Hatton wouldnt exactly shock me to death.
Hatton would throw more punches than DLH. It comes down to fitness. DLH wouldnt neccescarily be toughter for PBF than Hatton. DLH was bigger but he werent p4p rated.
De La Hoya is the better fighter by far imo, he's the first guy who has shown people a legit way to unsettle mayweather, no swarming wont be enough. I keep saying this
Hatton only has ONE way to win the fight, plough forward and hope he doesnt get picked off
Mayweather has multiple ways to win the fight.
I dont know if Hatton thinks he will lose? Hatton says he thinks he would win. I wouldnt like to say Hatton is a liar. Certainly not to his face anyway. But your right i havent heard much of him talking pbf of late. More interested in DLH. Maybe because he thinks PBF is retiring.
I think in his heart he knows he can lose, its the way he praises mayweather, almost like he is in awe of him, ive noticed that in his interviews, he always brings up Floyd.
Don't get me wrong i agree floyd won the fight but because of his defensive style he will have to win his fight by bigger margins to ensure victory especially against a big name guy like oscar. I would like to see him fight hatton cotto all those guys clean up a division and act like he did on jay leno and he will be remembered like he wants to be for sure.
Yep,
Trust me, if he fights moesly, i reckon he will get screwed,
Mosely's one of those show fighters who throws quick pitter patter shots which catch the judges eye, they aren't that powerful, just show,
This is why Floyd is legitimatley fast, he doesnt do pitter patter, he does quick Power shots, there is a major difference,
The Gatti fight, those sickening combinations, Power shots, shot desgined to end the fight.
Moesly, pitter patter, little power, judges score the shots,
Judges probably get turned on by mosely's style, even if im not sure how much substance it has.
If floyd fights mosley, he better win clearly, otherwise the only '0''s he will have left are the ones on his bank statement.
His haters are always going to hate. Even if he beats a champion 120-108 with a broken hand they'll still talk shit about him not getting a KO. But I agree, Hatton should be the next fight. There is no Arum involved and no Golden Boy involved.
Thanks for agreeing. A lot of people say the obvious stuff like "PBF dont need Hatton" I have never said PBF needs Hatton. Only that it may be in his best interests to fight excellent fighters of his own time period and generation. DLH was great but DLH acheived his greatness in the past to get the reputation he has now. Hatton is the obvious choice.
U also said he picks and chooses fights, which imo, he clearly doesnt,
Personally i wouldnt pick anyone at 140 and 147 over him,
Especially after i saw him come in the ring at 148 pounds and beat De La Hoya who weighed near 160.
Hatton would throw more punches than DLH. It comes down to fitness. DLH wouldnt neccescarily be toughter for PBF than Hatton. DLH was bigger but he werent p4p rated.
If Hatton legitmately calls out Mayweather after the Castillo fight, then i will be serious about his chances in that fight, till then, imo, Hatton dont wanna fight cos he knows he will lose.
I dont know if Hatton thinks he will lose? Hatton says he thinks he would win. I wouldnt like to say Hatton is a liar. Certainly not to his face anyway. But your right i havent heard much of him talking pbf of late. More interested in DLH. Maybe because PBF is talking retirement,even though the general concensus is that he isnt gonna retire. But Hatton wants to be rated No1 and beating PBF would give him a shortcut to that destination so i am sure Hatton wants PBF still
Yeah, what your saying here is fine,
Im split on the issue, part of me wants floyd to fight Hatton, think that would finish off a few myths about how Hatton's style is made for him.
But after seeing how that judge scored the fight 115-113 for de la hoya, im not sure he should come back, what went on in Vegas was an attempted robbery, i cant belive Max Kellermann of HBO is one of the only guys i have seen protest that score, it was a disgrace.
Infact i totally agree with what Kellerman said (word to this effect)
"If you scored the fight 7-5 to floyd, i begin to have a problem with you, but to score the fight to De La Hoya? i dont care what side of the ring he was sitting on, you cant score that fight for De La Hoya''
To me if he comes back, he has to win his fights very clearly, otherwise he will get screwed.
Don't get me wrong i agree floyd won the fight but because of his defensive style he will have to win his fight by bigger margins to ensure victory especially against a big name guy like oscar. I would like to see him fight hatton cotto all those guys clean up a division and act like he did on jay leno and he will be remembered like he wants to be for sure.
I wouldn't back anyone to beat him but i would say there are fighters with a better chance of beating him than the ones he fought in the ww division. Oscar did a good job but didn't have the stamina to maintain the pressure for 12 rds and he never really hurt him and i don't think the rematch would be much different so would rather see him fight one of these guys if he fights again.
Yeah, what your saying here is fine,
Im split on the issue, part of me wants floyd to fight Hatton, think that would finish off a few myths about how Hatton's style is made for him.
But after seeing how that judge scored the fight 115-113 for de la hoya, im not sure he should come back, what went on in Vegas was an attempted robbery, i cant belive Max Kellermann of HBO is one of the only guys i have seen protest that score, it was a disgrace.
Infact i totally agree with what Kellerman said (word to this effect)
"If you scored the fight 7-5 to floyd, i begin to have a problem with you, but to score the fight to De La Hoya? i dont care what side of the ring he was sitting on, you cant score that fight for De La Hoya''
To me if he comes back, he has to win his fights very clearly, otherwise he will get screwed.
U also said he picks and chooses fights, which imo, he clearly doesnt,
If he has something to prove in your eyes,
Those are your eyes, i cant do anything about that,
Personally i wouldnt pick anyone at 140 and 147 over him,
Especially after i saw him come in the ring at 148 pounds and beat De La Hoya who weighed near 160.
I wouldn't back anyone to beat him but i would say there are fighters with a better chance of beating him than the ones he fought in the ww division. Oscar did a good job but didn't have the stamina to maintain the pressure for 12 rds and he never really hurt him and i don't think the rematch would be much different so would rather see him fight one of these guys if he fights again.
if they both win there next fights then yes i think they are ready for mayweather jr.dont know if mayweather will take on one of them but i think oscar vs mayweather rematch is floyd next fight.
His haters are always going to hate. Even if he beats a champion 120-108 with a broken hand they'll still talk shit about him not getting a KO. But I agree, Hatton should be the next fight. There is no Arum involved and no Golden Boy involved.
If Hatton legitmately calls out Mayweather after the Castillo fight, then i will be serious about his chances in that fight, till then, imo, Hatton dont wanna fight cos he knows he will lose.
u do what u like tech but u have to admit there are plenty of fights at welterweight for floyd. His arguement that he has nothing to prove is still debatable even tho he's done great things and again i'm not trying to bash him or hate on him or anything like that just wanna see him in a few tough fights before he retires.
U also said he picks and chooses fights, which imo, he clearly doesnt,
If he has something to prove in your eyes,
Those are your eyes, i cant do anything about that,
Personally i wouldnt pick anyone at 140 and 147 over him,
Especially after i saw him come in the ring at 148 pounds and beat De La Hoya who weighed near 160.
I think PBF should forget about beating DLH again. He should fight fellow p4p Hatton at 147. Cotto i woiuld like to see. Im not into him moving up weights really. I want him to beat the best at his own weight. Hatton has avoided PBF in the past but now would be a good time for the fight.
If PBF beats fellow p4p's...pbfs critices cant make excuses he hasnt beat anyone good!
His haters are always going to hate. Even if he beats a champion 120-108 with a broken hand they'll still talk shit about him not getting a KO. But I agree, Hatton should be the next fight. There is no Arum involved and no Golden Boy involved.
Paul, do i have to paste the quote where Hatton admits he priced himself out of a fight with PBF?
After that, i can try and find moesly's toothache excuse for not fighting floyd.
lol
u do what u like tech but u have to admit there are plenty of fights at welterweight for floyd. His arguement that he has nothing to prove is still debatable even tho he's done great things and again i'm not trying to bash him or hate on him or anything like that just wanna see him in a few tough fights before he retires.
I think PBF should forget about beating DLH again. He should fight fellow p4p Hatton at 147. Cotto i woiuld like to see. Im not into him moving up weights really. I want him to beat the best at his own weight. Hatton has avoided PBF in the past but now would be a good time for the fight.
If PBF beats fellow p4p's...pbfs critices cant make excuses he hasnt beat anyone good!
I don't see Mayweather fighting anybody other than DLH in a rematch he obviously doesn't fancy Hatton or Cotto or mosely. His record speaks for itself and i mean this as no disrepect to mayweather but he has been very good at picking the right fights as he moved up the weights. Thats not to say i would pick these fighters to beat Floyd just think maybe he has pickedthe fights to suit his style and maybe missed the ones out that might have given hima tough night.
Paul, do i have to paste the quote where Hatton admits he priced himself out of a fight with PBF?
After that, i can try and find moesly's toothache excuse for not fighting floyd.
lol
I don't see Mayweather fighting anybody other than DLH in a rematch he obviously doesn't fancy Hatton or Cotto or mosely. His record speaks for itself and i mean this as no disrepect to mayweather but he has been very good at picking the right fights as he moved up the weights. Thats not to say i would pick these fighters to beat Floyd just think maybe he has pickedthe fights to suit his style and maybe missed the ones out that might have given hima tough night.
Floyd has called all 3 of those guys out at different times and has been turned down.
Partially to agree, on this, If Floyd comes back, it will most likely be for Winky, cotto or Moesly.
If cotto stops judah in impressive fashion, cotto states his case for a fight with Floyd.
I don't see Mayweather fighting anybody other than DLH in a rematch he obviously doesn't fancy Hatton or Cotto or mosely. His record speaks for itself and i mean this as no disrepect to mayweather but he has been very good at picking the right fights as he moved up the weights. Thats not to say i would pick these fighters to beat Floyd just think maybe he has pickedthe fights to suit his style and maybe missed the ones out that might have given hima tough night.
Don't forget Spinks at 160 if he beats Taylor (haha I know this will not happen). I think Winky is too big, especially now that he's fighting Hopkins at 170 (catch weight). He was already a huge challenge before, now its not even reasonable to fight winky. Its either DLH, Hatton or Mosley.
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