By Martin Wade (May 3, 2007) Doghouse Boxing
“I found out personally what fantastic foot and hand speed Mayweather has. You have to be in there with him to really appreciate his skill.” - Carlos Baldomir
The day is upon us and Floyd Mayweather jr.’s way of “doing business” will now be under the scrutiny of a mainstream audience. Reporters ask him the same question in 3 different ways and detractors sharpen their shanks at the hint of a possible Roy Jones moment. HBO in conjunction with Golden Boy did their part in magnifying one of the more polarizing images in recent sports memory. Oscar De La Hoya will provide the final operative to the “Floyd Rules” by utilizing his considerable height and weight to situate the physical genius into primal crawlspaces-with only one way out. The “Pretty Boy” who boasts of 37 victims, he who was buzzed by DeMarcus Corley and dropped by Zab Judah will be as he likes to often
say “put on blast”. What will he do with the world watching? What will he do in front of a mainstream audience medicated on MMA, reality TV and youtube? What will Floyd Mayweather do with an opponent who can apply pressure flavored with intelligence and real junior middleweight power? Will he (gulp) turn tail and run?
Running in Boxing
Running in boxing does not take on the literal meaning as it is understood by non aficionados. In boxing, when a fighter is blessed with lightening reflexes of hand and foot he often chooses to use them with lethal results. Many “armchair boxing experts” accused Mayweather of running from Carlos Baldomir even at the risk of sounding stupid. Even my girlfriend seethed at Floyd’s nimble escapes and called him a “pussy”.Don’t believe it was a dumb thing to say? Then answer this, if your best friend stopped by looking like Baldomir after Floyd chewed him up and said to you “I tried to fight but the other guy ran” what would you think?. I’ll tell you what you’d think; you’d think to yourself (while giving him that uh huh look) “yeah he ran all over your face”. In other words, speed kills and Floyd Mayweather has plenty of it. Whenever I watch a fight where a speed oriented fighter employs his natural gifts to victory the fallen opponent (to save face) always resorts to use of the “r” word-“he ran”. Now I won’t even get into the “cultural” undertones of the use of the word “running” pertaining to athletic African American fighters. We all tend to rely on “cultural cliff notes” regarding styles in boxing and for that there is no fault. Yet I will focus on what the strategy of using ones mobility will mean to Floyd Mayweather in the biggest fight of his life.
Running and Responsibility
Joe Louis once famously said “you can run but you can’t hide” and his career as one of boxings great finishers proved this out. All of the great stalkers and pressure fighters were that way, virtually impossible to avoid, they truly made the ring the loneliest place in the world. They understood the onus was upon them to catch their prey and finish them. Now we have observers of the sport that place the responsibility on the “prey” to make a fight. This removes responsibility from Carlos Baldomir who knew what he had to do and places it on Floyd Mayweather who pretty much fulfilled his objective. I would also argue that we as observers of the “sweet science” got it twisted when we bestow the title “natural” fighter on a guy that takes several shots to give one. Survival is our most basic instinct and evading a punch is more natural than absorbing one. Juan Diaz’s pursuit of Popo Frietas was a product of his mental make up and until he faces someone who can “naturally” avoid him (while scoring) he will wear opponents down “mentally”.
If I threw something at your head, hopefully you’d have the wherewithal to move out of the way. If avoiding punishment were the stuff of “track stars” why do you find equipment in every boxing gym that improves head movement? Why do fighters wear ankle weights? jump rope? And simulate ducking punches when doing pad workouts? Oscar De La Hoya is nobody’s fool, he understands he’s facing one of the most elusive fighters in boxing history (22% of punches actually touch Floyd) and he’s doing something about it. Freddy Roach’s prescription is speed, the kind of speed that may never equal Mayweather yet allow Oscar to practice good timing. I love this professional approach from Oscar because he truly wants to win. What I don’t love is the ominous cloud of mainstream expectation. As a hardcore fan I like that they (the casual) are coming to the party but I resent the hint of our greatest artiste feeling obliged to brawl to keep them.
Allow each man be himself
All this talk of size leads one to believe that Oscar is going to come in and get all Bernard Hopkins with Floyd. Not that he hasn’t consulted with Bernard on Fritzie Zivics book of ethics on “the finer manly arts”. But that was never the Golden Boy’s style and this fight is too big to try a weapon untested. Oscar is an extremely good rhythmic boxer with a murderous left hook who can counter punch at a high level. Floyd, well what can you say- he can box his ass off, punch in combination, has an underrated body attack and a defense that in the words of iron mike is impregnable. He shouldn’t be penalized by fight fans for possessing the weapon of mobility, if you had a Porsche you wouldn’t leave it in the garage. At 130 pounds Floyd’s mobility allowed him to dance circles around opponents like a sadistic kid brother pelting you with rubber bands. 150 pounds is another matter and the truth is we won’t know if Floyd can “run” as well until Saturday Night. If he can I encourage him to do so, that way we know both combatants are exhausting every weapon at their disposal. This way “if” Oscar catches him there will be no excuses (I fought the wrong fight) and the victory will be sweeter than if “the little fella” stood toe to toe to please fans that will be gone on May 6th. Let each man be himself and win on the merit of who he is not who Diddy and ESPN want them to be. So allow me to be the first to say to Floyd Mayweather …Run Floyd Run!
My Prediction
Rounds 1-8 will be riveting stuff, Oscar will press and learn early that “lil Floyd” aint so little. At 30 Floyd may have grown into his big boy britches, just look at his chest and shoulders. Floyd will bust him up and force Oscar to box, that’s when “plan B” actually starts to work, I would argue that “plan B” should have been “plan A”. Oscar takes what Manny Steward loves to rave about “a tiny step back” and fights “tall”. He’s able to thump the shorter Mayweather with hard jabs and even lands the vaunted left hook to the body. That will be his downfall because it gets Oscar to smell blood and he gets greedy. Oscar starts chasing again allowing Floyd to distance himself on the scorecards by potshotting and putting the stick to Oscar’s gut. Floyd wins by UD 8-4 rounds. The fans will boo and Oscar will say…..he ran.
I hope the fight will still be entertaining even if Floyd runs...
It was Corley. You're right and wrong though. It was only one time, but Floyd was most definitely hurt. He recovered quickly and I think had Corley hurt later in the same round. That was the one time I can say that Floyd was really stunned by a punch.
Then you obviously didn't see all his fights. Someone posted a youtube video up where he hurt a black dude and the black dude hurt floyd. You could tell both were hurt in that round. I wish I knew what fight it was but floyd was getting hit hard as hell by this black dude, and he even had floyd on the ropes for awhile and looked like he was about to ko floyd, but the dumb ass looked like he gassed out. And no it wasn't judah, this guy was really getting to floyd.
I've seen that fight & the youtube vid, If I recall it was Corley, it was a great fight bet he wasn't that hurt, he recovered real quick & that youtube vid only showed the same exchange in the same round over & over again, so don't bring it up if you haven't seem the whole fight.
I saying the poor guy has no choice but to run because he's fragile. If he exchanged punches like Pacquiao, he'd get KOed. He wouldn't have won all those decisions if he stood and exchanged punches.
You know great Defense aside, he's taken hard shots from alot of strong opposition & I've never seen him truely hurt, & being such an ellusive fighter the shots he usually gets hit with are fast hard shots he barely see coming, which are the type of shots most likely to hurt someone, if you're toe to toe you can see punches coming & prepare for them, so I don't see how you'd say he's fragile.
I saying the poor guy has no choice but to run because he's fragile. If he exchanged punches like Pacquiao, he'd get KOed. He wouldn't have won all those decisions if he stood and exchanged punches.well the fight's over and floyd won, and just like i posted, he took his time, and chose his shots wisely. he adjusted to oscar and his upperbpdy movement was too fast for oscar as well as his footwork. i know how floyd fights. i've watched him since amateurs. he's a master in the ring.
while i agree with some of your points, i don't agree with the quoted above.
he will HAVE TO move constantly if he wants to win, and he won't be able to punish Oscar like he did against many fighters including Corrales, N'Dou, Gatti, etc.
he could punish those guys only because he KNEW he could hurt them. With oscar, he will find out very early in the fight that he can't hurt him.
He will have to pot shot like he did against Castillo and Baldomir if he wants the victory.i agree he'll have to move, but no run like many of you think. i believe he will punish oscar after he feels him out, because floyd can take advantage of oscar's footwork. oscar has okay footwork but he does slip up a lot with his feet and body positioning and floyd knows this well i'm pretty sure. oscar's upperbpdy movement is slow compared to floyds also, and he's no really a counterpuncher like floyd, although oscar can counter pretty good, his upperbody movement will bo too slow to counter floyd, and floyd have to be moving to counter oscar like people think he will because of his quick upperbody movement, and i feel many people will be surprised when floyd doesn't run like you say. i'm not saying he'll sit and trade with oscar like that, but he'll stand still and counter over oscar a lot, then he'll move away or in another secure position. just watch. floyd does this very well. floyd will take his time against oscar and pick his shots effectively. oscar will be surprised by this imo and it'll throw him off, causing him to look for the left hook more, and that's when floyd will flip the switch again. it's mind over matter. floyd is smarter than oscar de la hoya in the ring, and oscar is far from a dumby in the ring. oscar will look to pressure floyd but floyd knows oscar is slower in the upperbody than floyd is, and he'll time him right. oscar, i'm sure will attempt to counter the counterpuches by floyd but is too defensive for that. he'll make oscar throw big punches and then attack him either with a potshot or small combination all night, and this will be another part of his punishment of oscar that night.
Everyone thinks if Delahoya catches Mayweather with a lefthook it will be over but I'm going to laugh my ass off if Delahoya lands and Mayweather is still standing.
Mayweather's chin is underrated. He was stunned twice from southpaws but recovered fast enough to avoid everything Judah and Corley followed up with.
those were straight punches from less powerful fighters.
I say DLH lefthook flush on Floyd's chin sends Flyod to lala land
Everyone thinks if Delahoya catches Mayweather with a lefthook it will be over but I'm going to laugh my ass off if Delahoya lands and Mayweather is still standing.
Mayweather's chin is underrated. He was stunned twice from southpaws but recovered fast enough to avoid everything Judah and Corley followed up with.
floyd doesn't have to run like people think. all he has to do is take his time and feel oscar out for a little bit, then floyd is going to punish oscar.
while i agree with some of your points, i don't agree with the quoted above.
he will HAVE TO move constantly if he wants to win, and he won't be able to punish Oscar like he did against many fighters including Corrales, N'Dou, Gatti, etc.
he could punish those guys only because he KNEW he could hurt them. With oscar, he will find out very early in the fight that he can't hurt him.
He will have to pot shot like he did against Castillo and Baldomir if he wants the victory.
well, we all know judah almost got stopped in that fight if the low-blow incident didnt happen.
but anyway,
if DLH catches mayweather flush like that, floyd won't have to recover.
cuz it'll be LIGHTS OUT right away.
and that is why i predict floyd will "run" THROUGHOUT the fight. He will "run" more than the Baldomir fight.
well, i think DLH will catch up to him eventually and floyd will be forced to stop running cuz he'll get tired. He will get tired due to Oscar's constant pressure (jab and stalking) and body work.
:boxing:i don't agree. you have to realize that floyd has great foot movement and great upperbody movement. he knows how to roll of punches also, a lot of people don't realize that. floyd's upperbody movement will be too quick for oscar. floyd doesn't have to run like people think. all he has to do is take his time and feel oscar out for a little bit, then floyd is going to punish oscar. oscar will have to fight unorthodox to throw floyd off. floyd may throw oscar off a little, and this is because i think he'll witch to southpaw a lot in this fight, and he may even fight a little unorthodox himself. floyd doesn't have just a plan A,B,or C. he has random plans just swirling around in his head. he knows roach has studied his fights a lot during this tour, and he's prepared for it. floyd is the master at adjusting to fighters because of this also.
in the 4th round, i do agree, but nobdy ever touches on when floyd countered judah's jab in the 2nd with a stiff jab of his own. judah's knees buckled also and he almost went down, and it looked more convincing than when floyd stumbled imo, because it was stiffer and in good, clear sight.
well, we all know judah almost got stopped in that fight if the low-blow incident didnt happen.
but anyway,
if DLH catches mayweather flush like that, floyd won't have to recover.
cuz it'll be LIGHTS OUT right away.
and that is why i predict floyd will "run" THROUGHOUT the fight. He will "run" more than the Baldomir fight.
well, i think DLH will catch up to him eventually and floyd will be forced to stop running cuz he'll get tired. He will get tired due to Oscar's constant pressure (jab and stalking) and body work.
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mayweather is doing to be running for his life in this one... i dont hink he can win a decision tho running..baldamir was so damn slow he got away with it..
clearly a knock down, and yes, he recovered very fast,
i think he was more hurt by the Judah's left hand later in the fight.in the 4th round, i do agree, but nobdy ever touches on when floyd countered judah's jab in the 2nd with a stiff jab of his own. judah's knees buckled also and he almost went down, and it looked more convincing than when floyd stumbled imo, because it was stiffer and in good, clear sight.
not dropped, stumbbled. as you know, it should have been ruled a knocked down, but floyd's glove touched the canvas not anything else. he didn't fall, he stumbled and recovered very fast, which is why richard steele didn't rule it a knockdown imo. he recovered too fast from it, and it did look like a slip, but it was clearly a knock down.
clearly a knock down, and yes, he recovered very fast,
i think he was more hurt by the Judah's left hand later in the fight.
Great post bro. And yes he was dropped by Judah.not dropped, stumbbled. as you know, it should have been ruled a knocked down, but floyd's glove touched the canvas not anything else. he didn't fall, he stumbled and recovered very fast, which is why richard steele didn't rule it a knockdown imo. he recovered too fast from it, and it did look like a slip, but it was clearly a knock down.
Very good post, probably the best since I joined on not to long ago. I will say this though about your prediction, I agree with picking Mayweather and his speed advantage over DLH. I also understand that in boxing (not to be cliche') styles truly make fights.
PBF is an incredible boxer, with moves that make you stare in awe. He has dominated all but one of his opponents (Castillo I). I do believe however that DLH is much better, even at 34, than any fighter PBF has ever faced. Baldomir's plodding agressivness was taylor made for PBF, DLH will not be. Even though DLH doesn't have the speed to match by no means is he slow or unskilled. The biggest mistake people make in this comparison, or ANY comparison, is that just because one is better doesn't mean the other one's far behind.
DLH has skills of his own and I do believe that his experience will do him well in this fight. Oscar seems quietly confident and motivated in a way I have yet to see him in his career. Granted he was up for the Trinidad fight, he was even more "up" for the Mayorga fight. But I feel in this one he understands what this fight can do for his legacy. IF he beats a fighter like PBF, this will propell him to all time great status, no matter what weight division we are talking about.
When I first heard of this fight I said to myself, "DLH will get killed" but as time has gone on for me I do see a very realistic possibility of DLH winning this fight. The jab does counter speed and movement and DLH has a jab that most people just over look. Size does make a big difference in boxing, especially when the two fighters have been fighting guys at much different weights and natural sizes.
My prediction for the fight, reluctantly, is that PBF out points DLH while "running" the entire fight. If I was PBF I would do the same. But and it's a big BUT, don't be suprised if DLH rises one last time for this grandiose occasion and shows the world why we should consider him as an all time great warrior. No matter what, it will be a great fight and the atmosphere will be electric......oh yea and fellas........BOXING IS BACK!!!!!