Joe's US dream fades

Winky is a great fighter, but he just isn't big enough to beat Joe. Winky is a great southpaw, but Joe is a southpaw whirlwind. Joe's attacks from all angles would break through Winky's defence. Bernard would be the tougher test as 'nard is a top class counterpuncher with top notch ring smarts and is dirtier than the twisted lovechild of Evander Holyfield's sister and Ricky Hatton (i.e. he is a dirty son of a bitch). I had Bernard beating Taylor both times and have respect for him and his accomplishments Maybe Joe is a bit fresher though and is certainly faster and probably has the better skills. Tough fight to call.

Roy Jones and Mayweather both hand picked opponents, look at how highly they're regarded. their resume is still better than joe. don't get me wrong joe is a good fighter no doubt and i would pick him over taylor (although i would be going for taylor) but even at 41 i would take nard over joe and winky over joe.

Calzaghe is being a crybaby. He only wants Hopkins for the $. He wont fight Kessler, Tarver or even Glen Johnson for that reason. I like him as a fighter but he is dodgy as hell. I bet he wouldnt even fight Winky, and damn sure he wouldnt fight Miranda. I remeber what byron mitchell did to him. He isnt crying though, nor particularly complaining. He's happy with what he's done in his career. If you'd read the article, you'd have realised that. Sadly within 9 posts you've already become like so many of the other trash posters here.

Please don't bring up these issues again. It's not so clear Roy tried to fight Calzaghe, and the arguments on both sides go nowhere It is very clear that Jones ducked a fight with Calzaghe and he said as much in an interview on the BBC. Last year Calzaghe offered him another fight which Jones would have accepted if the price was right. Apparently Jones still thinks he is the 10 million dollar man. Sadly the fans don't think so. Jones priced himself out of the market against Hopkins too.

He might as well fight Kessler or there will always be an argument as to who was better. I wouldn't want this question to be part of my legacy.

Calzaghe is being a crybaby. He only wants Hopkins for the $. He wont fight Kessler, Tarver or even Glen Johnson for that reason. I like him as a fighter but he is dodgy as hell. I bet he wouldnt even fight Winky, and damn sure he wouldnt fight Miranda. I remeber what byron mitchell did to him.

:) Just cut the bullshit. It doesn't matter whether U.S. is a superpower in the sports or not . . . the fact is . . . Joe simply doesn't have the balls to fight out of his comfort zone. :D I really don't care either, just give me quality fights. Chris Byrd was a Champion and went to Germany to defend the title against Wlad, did I complain, NO. Fighters go where the money is, and that is the way it is, and should be. Now, some fighters understand by taking "short-money" now, to fight a "A" list guy, can make you vasts amounts later with a victory, but other seem to not understand that concept or are not confident enough to take that chance. I also have to say this, the fight between Byrd and Wlad came off well; it was a good experience and I wouldn't mind seeing something like that again. I wouldn't mind seeing more fighters from the States go fight overseas. Tyson was one of the biggest names in this sports history, and fought outside of the States. Many "American" Champions have fought outside of the States, so lets not act like American Fighters don't leave; the money is just to great here not to want to stick around.

Back when Roy Jones was hand-picking his opponents,much like Calzaghe is doing,fans in this country were very critical of him.In fact many fans and writers called for a 'RoyCott' of his fights. As long as Calzghe can sell out a stadium fighting a guy whose claim to fame is that he lost a tv show....then you get what you deserve. A local/paper champion...so you folks over in the U.K.,enjoy your 'champion'.

I hate these types of posts. No one but the promoters and fighters know the real reasons why certain fights aren`t made, everything else is just speculation. There is a lot of speculation, very true, but Fighters like to hide behind their Promoters. How many times have you heard, "Talk to my Promoter", "I have to talk to my Promoter", "I WILL FIGHT WHO MY PROMOTER TELLS ME TO FIGHT". Promoters work for Fighters, Fighters either need to remember that, or they are making you believe they don't have control, "it is the Promoter." People like Floyd are great: He will usually let his business be known. When he couldn't make a fight with Hatton, he told the story. You found out who called who, and how much money was talked about. Of course this is only Floyd's side, but Hatton's team has responded to Floyd's talk in the media, and it didn't look good. Even in interviews I have seen Hatton on (ESPN) he seemed shaky (which is rare for him) when discussing Floyd and the talk of money/contract/fight. HBO would die for a fightt between Floyd and Hatton. Why do people think Floyd is so hard to deal with when involving a fight? He has made a fight with Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, and now Oscar. If Floyd was so hard to deal with, how come the contracts in all these fights seemed very fair for both sides? Does he come off as an arrogant ass? Yes, but so what. He is at least trying to make fights happen. I am not saying Floyd hasn't dodged anybody, I am not sure, but fighting who he has fought is better than fighting Urango and Castillo (at this point in his career).

I hate these types of posts. No one but the promoters and fighters know the real reasons why certain fights aren`t made, everything else is just speculation.

personally i don't care if calzaghe fights kessler, because i find that kessler is a very good boxer but i also think that he's not very exiting. i would prefer him too fight jermain taylor, edison miranda or maybe moove too light heavy weight

Carl Froch will take out Kessler and Calzaghe IMO, if he gets the fights. Yeah Right,dream on :nonono:

Kessler v Froch. Nottingham Ice Studium Spring 2008. COME ON!! Let`s hope the fight can take place after the Andrade fight,but why should Kessler fight in Nottingham?,it is Kessler whom are world champ,not Froch

Lacy took a chance in going over seas to fight Calzaghe. I dont see why Joe cant do the same. Because Calzaghe isn't really big on that risk-taking thing. To some extend he HAD to take a risk and fight Lacy, because his reputation was really going beyond ridiculous. (but he basicly had to be dragged kicking and screaming into that fight - despite his advisers telling him Lacy's style was perfect fot him) But facing dangerous opposition away from home is well beyond what Joe is prepared to do. Especially since his legacy is now "secured" with the Lacy fight.

No you didnt. You claimed that Hatton hasnt shown any interest in fighting Floyd (which isnt true, since fighting Urango I think that they have both shown legitimate interest in fighting one another) and that Cotto hadnt up until this point. Talk is talk, we have seen it time and again, we have seen this "intrest" as far back as 2005 with nothing to materialize.

His retirement is ridiculous and will dent his legacy, but this isn't about Floyd, and I didn't mean it to turn into a Floyd discussion, but Hopkins was young and stylistically Roy is all wrong for him, even to this day I'd pick Roy over Hopkins. And Floyd could get Hatton and Cotto into the ring, but him and his blind fans make up the excuse saying "He doesn't have to go to them, he's P4P baby, they come to him!" which is complete and utter bullshit, so he sits behind his P4P status and expects them to knock on his door. It takes 2 to tango. Your being ridiculous in the face of a fighter you like having a promoter who has no pull in the USA, and thus cant dictate the terms he wants for fights, thus thinking that somehow that no fault falls on him for not making bigger fights happen outside of europe. USA fighters dont fight outside the united states in alot of cases because there is no pressure from Ring magazine nor the boxing public for them to do so. You know why? Because hostility reigns whenever you leave your coast most of the time. Its bad enough if your a west coast fighter going to the east, or a southern fighter going to the west. Our reigon is huge and expansive with champions who have HBO/SHO exposure which in most cases gives them a pass. The bottom line is, Mayweather cant get Cotto nor Hatton in the ring with him, that shit has nothing to do with Frank Warren failing time and again to secure something legit for his fighters in the united states which is why Hatton/Joe C time and again fail to get anything groundbreaking going. Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo is OK,but other than that its nothing but a bunch of bullshit circus fights like the Manfredo fight for Joe C. Your making excuses becaue your trapped in a corner, if i were you id stop where i was at, stop trying to put the blame on mayweather and roy, and realize none of that shit has to do with the bullshit fights we have seen from JOE C and Hatton all year. If your going to argue by diverting the argument into a bunch of different areas one little resembling the next we will be here all day/night arguing 90 different things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Floyd hasn't shown any signs of diminishing, and he expects people to bow down to his achievments after he retires and say they know nothing about boxing if they disagree, so many fighters have climbed out of the woodwork wanting to fight him now that he says he's retiring, he should take advantage of it and go down as an all time great by fighting/beating all of them. Still, once you hit your 30's the hill turns to mud and you start to slide down. Training becomes harder, recovery for your body is not the same, and all other attributes slowly fade. I don't regard Floyd as the "greatest", no matter what he says, but he is a great fighter, especiallly in the lower weight class. I will say this, Hatton and Cotto's refusal to make the fight happen with Mayweather by now is a retreat from battle in my eyes; they count as a loss just like Bowe's refusal to fight Lewis. Oh, who else has come out of the "woodwork" in wanting to fight him, that is legit? Hatton has been saying the same thing for a long time, but has never made the fight. He fights a past his prime Castillo, instead of fighting Cotto, yet we are supposed to believe he is serious in wanting a fight with Floyd. Bob Arum still will not put Cotto in there with Floyd, just offering Margarito. Winky? the guy is a middleweight and I don't blame Floyd if he doesn't fight him. Just say Floyd sticks around and Hatton is serious about the fight, how much is Hatton going to demand? 10 million? more?

His retirement is ridiculous and will dent his legacy, but this isn't about Floyd, and I didn't mean it to turn into a Floyd discussion, but Hopkins was young and stylistically Roy is all wrong for him, even to this day I'd pick Roy over Hopkins. And Floyd could get Hatton and Cotto into the ring, but him and his blind fans make up the excuse saying "He doesn't have to go to them, he's P4P baby, they come to him!" which is complete and utter bullshit, so he sits behind his P4P status and expects them to knock on his door. It takes 2 to tango. How so? he is just turned 30. At 30, your attributes only go down hill. Hatton has been saying he will retire before 30. I would of loved to see Floyd vs. Hatton and Cotto, but I don't blame him if he tried to get the fights done and they didn't want it to happen. Tyring to wait until Floyd gets into his 30's is what it seems to be; like Ray waiting for Hagler to decline.

I dont think I look stupid at all. I clearly stated that up to this point, neither have shown legitimate interest in fighting Floyd. No you didnt. You claimed that Hatton hasnt shown any interest in fighting Floyd (which isnt true, since fighting Urango I think that they have both shown legitimate interest in fighting one another) and that Cotto hadnt up until this point.

The only evidence is the word from Frank Warren's mouth, he's not one of the good guys but I doubt he'd lie about that. I've seen no evidence of this, either. Well you do remember Hatton asking for 15 mil to fight Floyd, Floyd calling him out and then Hatton signing a 3 fight deal that intentionally does not include Floyd Mayweather? I have some other articles, but ill pick this up later, ive got to catch dinner.