Greatest Middleweight - Hagler or Monzon ?

Fixed. That being said, Hagler was a greater middleweight than Robinson. Monzon and Hagler are very close. Greb's resume is amazing and I'd rank him #1 at MW, but the only footage of him I've seen is him in training (and looking ugly as sin). Thats cuz thats the only footage there is of him! I dont rate him very high

Robinson moved up to 175, and almost won the title. Was winning, but lost from exhaustion. Hagler never moved up in weight, yet a welterweight name Ray Robinson did. thats cuz spinks was champ at that time, maxim is nothing compared to spinks.

Robinson moved up to 175, and almost won the title. Was winning, but lost from exhaustion. Hagler never moved up in weight, yet a welterweight champ who started at lightweight name Ray Robinson did. Fixed. That being said, Hagler was a greater middleweight than Robinson. Monzon and Hagler are very close. Greb's resume is amazing and I'd rank him #1 at MW, but the only footage of him I've seen is him in training (and looking ugly as sin).

Hagler Would Of Beat Robinson At Middle 9 Times Out Of 10 Robinson moved up to 175, and almost won the title. Was winning, but lost from exhaustion. Hagler never moved up in weight, yet a welterweight name Ray Robinson did.

Hagler is easily my favorite boxer of all time, but that's at least partially because he fought when I was an impressionable teenybopper ;^>. And I've had the great honor to meet him in person and he is as classy as one could hope. (And to this day, the bile rises when I think of the shameful theft he was unjustly forced to swallow against SRL... :nonono: ) Monzon was a serious beast as well and many who saw both fight live wouldn't be so quick to give it to Hagler... My dad still cringes at the beatings he put on the very sturdy Benvenuti! But given Hagler's absolutely sterling character versus Monzon's umm "vagaries", I have to put my vote on the Marvelous one. They were both all time greats who, for me at least, make relatively untested guys like PBF pale in comparison... Likewise, given the long history of boxing and our natural tendency to remember the latest and greatest, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there weren't even greater middleweights than Hagler and Monzon (arguably SRR or others)...

Hagler Would Of Beat Robinson At Middle 9 Times Out Of 10 Perhaps..but SRR is universally the greatest boxer ever. He started out as a welterweight, the same as SRL. I would have to say SRR in a one off match, would have Haglers number. Duran, who was a lightweight gave Hagler a tough contest as well, so i really believe SRR would have taken Hagler. It wouldnt be easy, but SRR had the skill neccessary and the know how to grind out a decision. SRR could have beaten any middleweight boxer ever, in the same way that Roy Jones could.

If they gave hagler the decision or at least a draw against leonard, he would get more respect for sure. The guy was robbed, he easily took 6 rounds at least.

Hagler Would Of Beat Robinson At Middle 9 Times Out Of 10

monzon never beat anybody all he fights were in argentina...him and great shouldnt even beat mentioned :nonono: ...

Monzon is one middleweight boxer i dont know much about but i constantly hear him being touted as the greatest ever middleweight. I will go for Monzon on the basis that Hagler lost to SRL even though it was controversial as hell. A bad reason you could say, and i wouldnt disagree. Even though these 2 guys are considered the best middleweights because they campaigned at middleweight all there career, i think there are many boxers who could have beaten them at middlweight. Yes, for instance if SRR fought Hagler or Monzon at middleweight, or if certain boxers step down to the weight.

jose napoles, emile griffith and nino benvenuti are nobodies? Although i do admit that hearns is better than napoles and griffith. Napoles was dominant in a weaker era, he didnt have a robinson, hearns, leonard or benitez to see how good he really is. Thats why he is at #2 for me

monzon never beat anybody all he fights were in argentina...him and great shouldnt even beat mentioned jose napoles, emile griffith and nino benvenuti are nobodies? Although i do admit that hearns is better than napoles and griffith. Napoles was dominant in a weaker era, he didnt have a robinson, hearns, leonard or benitez to see how good he really is.

Marvelous Marvin number 1 Middleweight of all time IMO.

monzon never beat anybody all he fights were in argentina...him and great shouldnt even beat mentioned

Hagler but that may just be bias on my part as i fuckin' love the marvelous one. I love you more and more as every day passes. Hagler is my top favorite fighter ever.

Hagler was a bit better IMO, Monzon was a beast tho! Im not sure SRR was the greatest MIDDLE tho

Don't get me wrong, I loved Carlos Monzon. But "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler is without a doubt the greatest middleweight there ever was, aside from Sugar Ray Robinson of course. Hagler never ducked anybody, he always fought the best there were out there. His hands were bricks and he had a chin of granite. I can't even watch Hagler/Leonard without getting pissed to this day, Hagler had Ray's ass beat and Ray got a gift decision, as so many "mainstream" fighters do.

hagler by far... who said robinson?

What about Sam Langford? Given I have only seen highlights, and would need a Time Machine, but given reports, his name has to be mentioned.

sugar ray robinson then hagler