I was just thinking about it and the only thing keeping Cotto from being top 6-7 is a big name victory. That's the only thing keeping Hatton ahead of him on my list. I'm strongly considering whether or not to put Cotto ahead of Calzaghe, who also has no big wins but has been undefeated forever and a day. Cotto's opposition is as good as Calzaghe's so it's close. I don't know why I didn't have Cotto higher before.
1) Mayweather
2) Wright
3) Pacquiao
4) Taylor
5) Hatton
6) Calzaghe
7) Cotto
8) Barrera
9) Freitas??
10) Castillo??
Last two are up for debate. People I'm considering include Freitas (only 1 loss to Corrales), Castillo (strong resume), and of course Hopkins gets on there probably in front of Hatton if he's still fighting.
What do you guys think about Cotto being on there? Maybe he shouldn't be ahead of Barrera, but I've had Barrera in the bottom half of my list ever since the Pacquiao loss and redemption against Morales.
Whats the matter with you?
Barrera was on a great streak before PAC blasted him and is undefeated since.
the Raheem L on EM was @135 plus its a style problem for Morales.
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Nobody has better resume in recent years ( Including PBF of course )
- Barrera - Was @ #3 pound 4 pound at the time of the TKO
- Marquez - ( Cud u imagine Barrera and Morales still havent stepped in the ring with this guy, But PAC faced him immediately after the MAB win)
- Erik Morales - What can i say, u have your excuses, but theres no denying his accomplishments and capabilities at just 30 yrs old)
- Oscar Larios - Long time champion. his lost was due to cut againts israel.
*More and more sites are installing PAC at even number 1. so PAC at 2 is not questionable any more
think of it this way.
pac is the only fighter who lost to morales in the past 2 years and something
winning helps your case, i think oscar never made it to the top of p4p lists
I give it to you guys some of you know boxing well and Im very impressed, then theirs those all I can say are we on the same planet, do we watch the same fights ha ha.. But much props to those who have knowledge
Why is everyone on a Pacquioa high? He beat a guy that was done before the fight started.
Wright Beat a legitimate Fighter who just came off a 'win' against Forrest, another VERY legitimate fighter.
And not only did Wright beat him, he schooled the veteran.
Id have Wright over Pac as of now. Maybe id switch it after they both fight again, but WRIGHT at 2 and PAC at 3
Whats the matter with you?
Barrera was on a great streak before PAC blasted him and is undefeated since.
the Raheem L on EM was @135 plus its a style problem for Morales.
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Nobody has better resume in recent years ( Including PBF of course )
- Barrera - Was @ #3 pound 4 pound at the time of the TKO
- Marquez - ( Cud u imagine Barrera and Morales still havent stepped in the ring with this guy, But PAC faced him immediately after the MAB win)
- Erik Morales - What can i say, u have your excuses, but theres no denying his accomplishments and capabilities at just 30 yrs old)
- Oscar Larios - Long time champion. his lost was due to cut againts israel.
*More and more sites are installing PAC at even number 1. so PAC at 2 is not questionable any more
1. Mayweather
2. Calzaghe
3. Hatton
4. Pacquaio
5. Barrera
6. Cotto
7. Taylor
8. De La Hoya
9. Toney
10. Castillo
That's based on ability, which it always used to be (until this 'opposition obsession').
ABility? how can your prove you ability if you dont face dangerous opponents?
OMG CALZ and Hatton @ 2 and 3 ???? :nonono:
1. Mayweather
2. Pac
3. Wright
4. R. Marquez
5. Arce
6. Hatton
7. Taylor
8. Hopkins
9. Calz
10. Castillo
Heaveyweights should be pound for pound, I've had Toney top three on mine for more than a year. Its twisted to see a Featherweights being "p4p" and they can't get on...Cotto gonna make huge noise next year, so I'm not worried about putting him on a pound for pound list, I just sit back and wait cause anyway hes gonna really earn a spot in a few months in my opinion. Also, Quintana wasn't proven, he has to do THAT to somebody proven. Beating Quintana is nice but lets see him do that to somebody on the cailber of Mayweather, Hatton, Margarito. Blowing a no name fighter in 5, dont see how that will prepare him to box and win a fight with Mayweather..
Talk about growing as a poster...
Quite objective, I like it!
Boxing fans sit back and hold on, Mr. Cotto will provide some of the decades best wars, win or lose love or hate the word RESPECT is one that will ring loud and clear with this warrior when it is all said and done.
do you not think a former middleweight who is 40 years old and fat as fuck that can beat pretty much all the heavyweights is not p4p material? how long have you been watching boxing?
How many times does it have to be reiterated to you?
Heavyweights aren't considered for these lists because they are the supreme weight. It doesn't matter what weight Toney fought at, he's now a heavyweight. End of story and it's getting really old.
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do you not think a former middleweight who is 40 years old and fat as fuck that can beat pretty much all the heavyweights is not p4p material? how long have you been watching boxing?
DEFINETLY not P4P top 10!!!!
He just lost to PETER, and if Peter lost to klitschko and klitschko AND peter arent on it, why the hell would TONEY be on it????
I definetly didnt agree with the decision, i thought it was the worst of the year, but i definetly go with what REALLY happened when considering P4P status
There is no way i would have JAMES TONEY anywhere near my top 10, or even my top 20, P4p list...
I wouldn't put Cotto in my top ten QUITE yet. There are a lot of fighters in people's lists who haven't been very impressive lately though, and Cotto's last win certainly WAS impressive. He's now an undefeated 2 division champion. He'll be cracking the top ten soon though...bet that.
My list looks like:
Mayweather
Pacquiao
Wright
Marquez
Barrera
Taylor (assuming he beats Ouma on Saturday)
Hopkins (assuming he continues to fight)
Calzaghe
Hatton
Castillo
It baffles me how so many people have Floyd Mayweather at #1, while they neglect to have Rafael Marquez anywhere near their top five. Mayweather is #1 based largely on his work at 130 and 135....stuff that happened 3 years ago. His work at higher weights is hardly enough to rank him over guys like Pacquiao and Wright, who have been beating on some good opponents. Since MArquez beat a couple of really good fighters in HOF flyweight Mark Johnson and bantam Tim Austin, he has knocked out pretty much every top contender to his title. The guys he is beating aren't exactly killers or the cream of the crop, but they certainly aren't much worse than the Sharmba Mitchell's and Arturo Gatti's of the world. Can someone explain this dynamic to moi?
Yeah, I'll explain it: Shut up.
I think people stop paying attention at featherweight.
I wouldn't put Cotto in my top ten QUITE yet. There are a lot of fighters in people's lists who haven't been very impressive lately though, and Cotto's last win certainly WAS impressive. He's now an undefeated 2 division champion. He'll be cracking the top ten soon though...bet that.
My list looks like:
Mayweather
Pacquiao
Wright
Marquez
Barrera
Taylor (assuming he beats Ouma on Saturday)
Hopkins (assuming he continues to fight)
Calzaghe
Hatton
Castillo
It baffles me how so many people have Floyd Mayweather at #1, while they neglect to have Rafael Marquez anywhere near their top five. Mayweather is #1 based largely on his work at 130 and 135....stuff that happened 3 years ago. His work at higher weights is hardly enough to rank him over guys like Pacquiao and Wright, who have been beating on some good opponents. Since MArquez beat a couple of really good fighters in HOF flyweight Mark Johnson and bantam Tim Austin, he has knocked out pretty much every top contender to his title. The guys he is beating aren't exactly killers or the cream of the crop, but they certainly aren't much worse than the Sharmba Mitchell's and Arturo Gatti's of the world. Can someone explain this dynamic to moi?
Stick around, this forum isn't such a bad place when you weigh the pros and cons carefully. The good outweighs the bad.
And again, no offense taken I hope. The irony of your post was too much; I had to butt in there.
or stop watching Boxing.. YOU should go shoot yourself,,,,,,,,,,,,,how old are you?..........what is that iron man on your avatar?...........grow up!........you dont even have anything related to boxing on your profile......stop hating........go watch a cartoon or something...little boy, ..the grown ups are talkin.
No offense but your name is from the TRANSFORMERS.
If you think Miguel Cotto is top 10 p4p...SHOOT YOURSELF
or stop watching Boxing.. YOU should go shoot yourself,,,,,,,,,,,,,how old are you?..........what is that iron man on your avatar?...........grow up!........you dont even have anything related to boxing on your profile......stop hating........go watch a cartoon or something...little boy, ..the grown ups are talkin.