If Mayweather gets in the ring with Margarito, my respect for him will rise tremendously. I don't care what anyone says, a lot of people would buy that fight, the interest and hype for it is huge on the internet, and the money is there for the taking. $8 million, to fight a guy he wasn't afraid of? Why didn't Mayweather take it? And please don't give me that historical significance crap, how Mayweather is looking to build a legacy and not make money: the DLH fight is ALL about the money. Mayweather, you have a chance now to gain a lot of respect and feed your bank account. Why not fight Margarito? I can think of no other reason than fear.
P4P these days is only based on accomplishments. The reason for this is that it's far too subjective a task to decide who could beat who in different weight classes. How the hell could anyone possibly imagine what a Pacquaio fighting at welterweight would look like? Considering how his power stacks up to his peers in his own weightclass, a welterweight Pacquaio would have the punch of a strong middleweight and the handspeed of a lightweight. Mayweather could very well get beaten by a P4P Pacquaio who was his size.
Strongly AGREE!
people seen how a lazy zab judah was actully winning floyd in there fight!
they are similar zab isa power fisted welter south paw...
but the difference is pacman is a BUZZSAW! and he doesnt get lazy in the ring he will bring it all the time...and he has that quick left that is hard to avoid and see.
Excitement really shouldn't have anything to do with p4p ratings; but power does. In regards to whether or not a p4p Pacquiao could beat a p4p Mayweather, I think it's very plausible. Pac's shown much improvement in his versatility over the last few fights; you can really see how much he's grown since the first Morales encounter. With his handspeed, power, overall quickness, and southpaw stance, I don't think it's unreasonabale at all that he could beat Mayweather.
Who's #1? Well, I agree with several on here who say Floyd still has the crown; but Pacquiao is gaining ground. Too often, as someone on here said, once a fighter reaches that lofty posistion of #1 on p4p rankings, it's next to impossible to dethrone them....which is wrong; it doesn't give the rest of the pack a fighting chance.
If you look at the competition for both Mayweather and Pacquiao over the last 3 years, in my opinion, Manny's got the edge in quality. There was no doubting Floyd when he was a Jr. Lightweight; but Castillo was the only real quality lightweight he beat...and it took two tries to do it. And, at jr. welterweight he beat the shadow of Arturo Gatti. That's not saying he wouldn't have done the same thing to a prime Gatti, for I think, in all likelyhood, he would have.
At welterweight, so far, he's starting to do the right things beating Judah and Baldomir; but he can't afford to rest on his laurels with Pacman breathing down his neck for that #1 slot. And beating De La Hoya will mean something; but let's not get carried away. When was the last time De La Hoya was the best out there? Sure, he destroyed Ricardo Mayorga; but so did Trinidad before being thoroughly spanked by Winky Wright....so, we can assume that fight really means next to nothing. He was looking pretty good against Hopkins before getting stopped; but B-Hopp, with the exception of his last outing, has been a slow starter since he whupped up on Tito...age, you know. Now, De La Hoya did look good against Mosely and several think he was robbed in that fight; but when was that again?
De La Hoya is a name, still good; but not the best anymore, so if Floyd beats him, don't go ga-ga. At the rate Pacquiao's knocking off the best in his weight class, Floyd's gonna have to step up his game by taking on the winner tonight, for one, Paul Williams is another rising star at 147, to say nothing of a certain fellow named Antonio Margarito.
The world owes you nothing and if you want to clout, you have to keep on earning it your whole life.
P4P these days is only based on accomplishments. The reason for this is that it's far too subjective a task to decide who could beat who in different weight classes. How the hell could anyone possibly imagine what a Pacquaio fighting at welterweight would look like? Considering how his power stacks up to his peers in his own weightclass, a welterweight Pacquaio would have the punch of a strong middleweight and the handspeed of a lightweight. Mayweather could very well get beaten by a P4P Pacquaio who was his size.
your right it has to do with who you fight and how you beat them...their are alot of skilled fighters who never get above the top 20...should they be on there becasue they have skills? nope.
Thing is though once your on top of the P4P list, unless you lose a fight or see a serious decline in skills you wont be moved down. Style wise P4P PBF will beat Pac. Thats why Pac is behind PBF.
Being p4p best has NOTHING to do with being exciting.
Look at Hopkins, Late Roy Jones and Pernell.
Larry is an angry old looney.
your right it has to do with who you fight and how you beat them...their are alot of skilled fighters who never get above the top 20...should they be on there becasue they have skills? nope.
No refunds are given! :owned: BTW I want my refund for watching a 3 rounds one sided fight! :owned:
for the record i work for directv and when morales lost in january a lot mexicans wanted a refund LOL!!!! true story.
he basically said that if by p4p you do NOT mean the best fighter, but an exciting character then pacman is p4p no.1
I agree
i dont think he is saying that.
i think he says that the excitment a fighter brings to a fight should be a essential factor wen assessing who is p4p champion.
It boils down to whether u agree with that.
How much emphasis do u put on the excitment factor of a fighters style wen comparing them to other fighters?
Im not sure myself. With Pac, his fights are exciting because of his aggresion, and ability to make his opponent fight with him.
With Gatti it was becasue he was vunerable to being knocked down and out, but always fought back and u could never count him out.
Merchant is an idiot and for those who think Pacman is p4p, I wish he could bring up weight and fight Mayweather. Pac would get crushed, no Floyd might not knock everyone out but if I am correct he has done that to the majority of his opponents. He is the best BOXER of all time. Boxing has nothing to do with brawls and street fighting. Boxing is a true sport in which you need skills, no different then basketball of golf. Skills in boxing is what makes Floyd the best.
ur an idiot, and overwhelmingly stupid.
I turned 36 on 9/28. I watched it on HBO and many people that didn't have HBO then probably watched on closed circuit! Did you have HBO at that time???
You didn't read my post. During the young Delahoya era, cable descramblers were still available. Yes, i had Hbo. I went with my brother in law to see the fight in a school basketball gym, with hundreds of people maybe thousand or two. They keep selling ticket to people who came in just before the main event and they were willing to watch the fight on a regular tv inside a school class room - about 30 people. I forget how much each ticket cost but my brother in law got the hook up and got them for free. He was able to keep his ticket, i was not. :nonono: If you were able to watch it for free on hbo in the west coast then im surprised. I thought through out the states the fight was only on closed circuit.
It was on both, if you didn't have HBO then you could've watched it on a closed circut TV. I watched it on HBO! It was not a PPV event!
How old are you? Are you a newbie? Thousands of people across the West Coast had to got to watch the fight at the theatures, a shool gym or go to vegas and see it on closed cicuit. Remember the descramblers, the black box, hbo was not showing the fight. It was only on closed circuit ppv. Just like the Ali v. Frazier fight.
NYC baby!!!!
I don't remember them saying other states would have the fight for free. I checked your link, in the article it too said the fight was on closed circuit tv.
The first fight was live on HBO for free.
Here is the link for the numbers!
http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim050506.asp
Live on HBO for free, yeah right! I want my money back if your state got to see it for free. Where you from?
Delahoya was a star during the Chavez fight but not a superstar.
The first Chavez fight was not even on PPV, here is
DE LA HOYA PPV HISTORY
Rafael Ruelas( 5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
Genaro Hernandez(9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
Pernell Whitaker(4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million
Hector Camacho(9/97) 560,000 buys = $22.4 million
Wilfredo Rivera(12/97) 240,000 buys = $9.6 million
J.C Chavez II( 9/98) 525,000 buys = $23.6 million
Ike Quartey( 2/99) 570,000 buys =$25.7 million
Felix Trinidad(9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million
Shane Mosley(6/00) 590,000 buys = $29.5 million
Javier Castillejo(6/01) 400,000 buys = $16.0 million
Fernando Vargas(9/02) 935,000 buys = $47.8 million
Yory Boy Campas(5/03) 350,000 buys = $17.5 million
Shane Mosley II( 9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million
Felix Sturm(6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
Bernard Hopkins(9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million
OH I tried to youtube Delahoya's "Run To Me" Song, but they didn't have it. :D
Yeah the Delahoya-Chavez fight was on closed circut. Where did you get these numbers from?
The Chavez fight turned Oscar into a superstar, also many girls and homosexual's thinks he's cute! :D
What you mean is Delahoya became an even bigger star to superstar status because of his win over Chavez. Because as mentioned in another thread this fight was split down the middle on who would win. Delahoya already was on ppv before Chavez. You seem to forget the ppv "event" Rafael Ruelas v. Oscar Delahoya. The fight was huge in the West Coast. Then he also had the Genaro Hernandez fight on ppv another big riveraly. And yes, Delahoya brought in tons and tons of girls into boxing like never before and who knows if we'll ever see the type of star power that Delahoya has. And i'll take your word that he got the homosexuals to watch him fight, lol.
But Oscar sold more PPV when he turned into a boxer, all of his big PPV numbers was at a time he turned into a boxer.
You can say that but fact is he still had the killer instict and went for the ko when the oppertunity showed itself. But at the same time he keep fighting the best fighters, so that got peoples attention too.
Actually Larry does not really say who the P4P #1 guy is, he was talking about excitement, Larry likes to get hard during a boxing match or else he will be bored!
As for exciting aka brawlers sells more fights.
Lets see some of the biggest PPV guys were Ali, Leonard and Oscar. We had two exciting top boxers in Moralas and Pac with 350k PPV sold and we had the boring PBF against Baldy that did 330k. I guess people enjoy watching boring fighters Larry!:owned:
Delahoyas sells ppv because he used to have the killer instinct and showed it against Mayorga. People forget -newbies- that Delahoya ppv were exciting. Back then once he saw his opponet hurt it was usally over for his opponet just like he did in the Mayorga fight, the Trinidad fight wasn't his best performance as in excitment. Another thing people forget is how Delahoya used to smile walking into the ring but people didn't like that, they said it was disrespectfull and not warrior like. And so now he's serious when he comes into the ring. Which is surprising to see how people accept pacquioa smilling while he's walking into the ring -time change i guess.
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