I found some new white hopes!

Tommy Zbikowski, who plays football for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, only has one fight, a first round knockout, but he was impressive. He is very quick on his feet for a big man, and throws some good combinations. I think his amateur record was something like 75-15. He has crushing power but is smallish for a heavyweight. He's 5'11 and 210, but he is a natural athlete with good mechanics. Angelo Dundee is his trainer. He won't be fighting regularly as a professional though. He is more a weekend warrior and football seems to be his main priority. He intends to fight again after the season he says. http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/sioncampus/06/11/tommy.z/p2_z.jpg Tommy Z is a boxer by hobby and a pro football prospect... He will follow the likely better career and money in the NFL before he gets back in the ring. There's a thread somewhere on the boards here that was right after the Cotto MSG PPV where the thread originator asked if he should follow football or boxing.

....Those dudes are rockin out and that skinny kid has some serious moves. :banana: That's me after 1 Corona.

Who the hell are those kids in your sig? That's just plain hilarious!!! ....Those dudes are rockin out and that skinny kid has some serious moves. :banana:

maskaev is actually asian now :D Maskaev is actually an American citizen, he lives in Long Island, NY.

maskaev is actually asian now :D

i love how everybody just got all pissed off about this thread. are we so politically correct that we can't say "white" without somebody crying about it? he's white and wants to root for white fighters. GET OVER IT

Who the hell are those kids in your sig? That's just plain hilarious!!!

Nobody is a hope after one fight.

Asian is a racist piece of shit and should be banned! But because he's not white the moderateors will give him a pass. Man what hypocritical garbage:nonono: Hey homeboy, I am white. I'm half Italian/Irish/Scottish/German, deal with it. ;)

Black yes. African Americanno. agreed. of course.

Edison Miranda is black and i garuntee you if you ask him, hed tell you the same thing. Being from a spanish speaking nation doesnt excuse you from what race you are. People seem to love to hang onto this notion. Why is it people from the netherlands who speak dutch are still black, why are french speaking black people still black, but yet, black people from the latin world arent black? thats so rediculous. Black yes. African Americanno.

And Miranda is not black, nor is Callabero I think. Edison Miranda is black and i garuntee you if you ask him, hed tell you the same thing. Being from a spanish speaking nation doesnt excuse you from what race you are. People seem to love to hang onto this notion. Why is it people from the netherlands who speak dutch are still black, why are french speaking black people still black, but yet, black people from the latin world arent black? thats so rediculous.

white hopes?...until last week all 4 title holders were white.... where is the next black hope?

the problem is black people dont care too much. Good. Everyone should follow in their lead then... However I am yet to meet an African-American/Canadian who had anything good to say about either Klitschko ;)

lol to top it off 3 of the 4 HW title holders are white.. Well they dont count as "white hope" "Great White Hope" specificaly refers to a white American...Euros are of no relivance here. It's an American created terms. In Europe boxers are European, so its common there to see European champions lol...No one goes around there saying "Great White Hope" when all you see most of the time is white guys in the ring. This whole "great white hope" is an American created term.

Personally there should be a hunt for Black Hopes, and not white hopes. 90% of the "name" fighters currently in the sport are not Black. They are white, hispanic, mexican, filipino, etc. Top African American fighters are really on the decline in boxing, as other races and countries are taking over the sport. The phrase white hope is a dead phrase in my opinion. the problem is black people dont care too much. this makes the concept kinda dumbfounded, i dont believe in "hopes" anymore, its outdated.

lol white hope in tommy z. i saw that fight and tho he looked good it was his first fight against someone that was 2-2 and i think 1. not sure how he is at football but if he is any good he will go to the NFL and there goes his boxing career. to top it off 3 of the 4 HW title holders are white.... i did like the movie the great white hype, which fits very well in this stituation

So for you to say someone is at a genetic disatvantage it depends what you mean. Most europeans are strong then Africans. Africans are leaner faster, stronger no...So it all balances out. But even to say that white Americans are at some genetic disatvange is odd, because America is a melting pot. You got people from Irish to Italian intermixed and so on... I just dont believe in genetic superiority in boxing. It seems to balance out, if a Euro stronger, then an African is faster. Both important factors right? Now its down to hard work and skill to take advantage of those "genetics" gifts. Agreed, good post.

the great white hope thing is still alive and real. if there was a white heavyweight champion, even if he stunk up the place every time and was a clincher if he was white and american, he would have some serious fanbase. biggest grossing fight of all time through the gate, holmes vs cooney, why, not because it was a superfight which it was, but because holmes was white. boxing has alot to do with race than most think, but seasoned observers and people who really know boxing, know that race is a big variable. it's that freakish sight of a tiny chinese guy putting down 60-70 hotdogs that sorta reminds me of why a white heavyweight champion is such a desired thing in america, because us whites are at a genetic disadvantage to a certain extent and one of us makin it to the top of the heavyweight division is kinda like, something you wouldn't imagine possible, like a tiny chinese guy eating 80 hot dogs. it's not just the fact that were white, it's the fact we're white americans and did less work over the course of time meaning we evolved as weaker beings, the forefathers of the people we have to fight against to progress through the ranks did all kinds of shit, slave labor in huge amounts and not just the blacks, Tenochitlan or whatever the aztec capital was called, the guy who ran shit there, montezuma, did alot of local slavery too, and it wasnt chain gang shit either, it was like whole subdivisions of guys building pyramids, many good latin fighters have aztec blood in them and they were some hard working people. sure there's the eastern european heavies but they aren't the same, trying to satisfy the american public with that is like giving a fat guy sweet n low when he wants sugar, because americans know they came up hard over there, unlike an american would over here...thats one of the reasons oscar gets so much love, he was middle class his whole life and made it in boxing I either misread or you are throwing all white people in the same bucket. Slavic people are different to say Scandinavians and have different genetics advantages/disatvanges. It's common knowledge that Slavs dominate things like strongmen competitions and stuff...Although I'm sure someone will come and say otherwise but whatever... So for you to say someone is at a genetic disatvantage it depends what you mean. Most europeans are strong then Africans. Africans are leaner faster, stronger no...So it all balances out. For instance I have big legs. I actually stay away from leg exercises and running cause my legs get massive when I do. So geneticaly I am not a runner. But even to say that white Americans are at some genetic disatvange is odd, because America is a melting pot. You got people from Irish to Italian intermixed and so on... I just dont believe in genetic superiority in boxing. It seems to balance out, if a Euro stronger, then an African is faster. Both important factors right? Now its down to hard work and skill to take advantage of those "genetics" gifts.

holmes was white. :owned: :owned: