Mayweather vs Brian Kenny round 3

You guys take what Floyd says way too seriously. If it's his opinion that he is the greatest fighter that has ever lived, great. Any fighter or athlete that has dominated an era will feel like they are the best to ever had did it. michael jordan feels like he is the best ever as well as kobe Bryant. Jerry rice feels like he is the greatest reciever ever. Barry Bonds feels like he is the best hitter ever. Wyane Gretsky feels like he is the best hockey player ever. Why would a fighter choose another fighter over himself. That's what all you guys are saying and hating him for it, if you disagree that's fine, that's your opinion just like he has is.

Right you can be outspoken and brash without looking like an idiot. Ali did it all with a sense of humor. I get the feeling Mayweather is just downright serious about everything he says, from being the greatest of all time to not being sure ODLH's fights sell better than his. When Ali was talking trash back in the day he was hated by most. Writers & broadcasters like Brian Kenny wanted Sonny Liston or others to KO his ass because of his mouth. Ali finally was embraced by everyone toward the end of his career.

i just made a thread deeply detailing what i mean http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95341 Black Jesus, just read your thread and i think you made some interesting points. as it happens, i don't agree entirely with what you've written, but your points are interesting nonetheless. I have another opinion regarding floyd's popularity (or lackthereof) which i think trumps everything else and it has nothing to do with race, attitude, etc... For me, i think it has to do with how the american people view boxing. to a lot of people boxing is not a sport, it is entertainment. there's football, baseball, basketball as the top 3. there are trading cards, jerseys, fantasy leagues, etc... people play these sports as kids, in high school, and in college! these sports are part of most sports fans lives; boxing isn't. in other countries boxing is right up there with soccer (think about trinidad and cotto. as big as they are here they are much bigger in pr). where would boxing be rated here in terms of popularity, behind hockey? most people (i say "people" and refer to the casual fan, not a real boxing fan) just want to see blood and knockouts, so they only pay attention to fighters who can provide them. case in point, a washed up mike tyson fights lennox lewis; before the fight when asking for predictions people who are fight fans gave tyson no more than a puncher's chance, while random celebrities who don't know much about boxing but showed up to the fight, pick tyson. this isn't to say that the issues like race and era are irrelevant, but imho it doesnt get much whiter than spadafora and if somehow he was as good/successful as floyd, i dont think he'd be popular either; why? just not "entertaining". gatti would be gatti regardless of race and ethnicity. floyd can be the biggest dick on the planet, but if he was puttin kids out like say, trinidad was, he'd be HUGE right now.

one more thing, kenny again showed how retarded he was (in boxing terms) by mentioning miguel cotto as the WBA welter champ (cotto's not there yet). and im sure floyd gives a good fuck about kermit cintron who just won a bullshit title.:rolleyes: im pretty sure that was kenny just blatantly baiting mayweather into getting out of character. he looked like he was up to no good from the start. props to ESPN for not having someone else do the interview even knowing it would go bad.

because you're black means that your mind works differently than everyone elses'? bullshit! what???? man, are you serious? being black in boxing plays against him? and being american? heelllll no! it's his attitude. his personality matters quite a bit. why else do you think many people here are not big fans of his? most everyone here acknowledges that mayweather has at least excellent boxing skills, but how many people really want to be a fan of a guy who kisses his own ass? not many. i just made a thread deeply detailing what i mean http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95341

be realistic here..fuller maxim graziano basilo gavilan lamotta turpin were good for their time... that's all that mattered. he fought good comp in his days. i wouldn't go so far as to say that nearly everybody that robinson fought would get massacred now as you believe. i guess that just comes down to opinion.

one more thing, kenny again showed how retarded he was (in boxing terms) by mentioning miguel cotto as the WBA welter champ (cotto's not there yet). and im sure floyd gives a good fuck about kermit cintron who just won a bullshit title.:rolleyes:

floyd said robinson's record was inflated? :omfg: lol. sugar fought many good to great fighters. many: fullmer, maxim, graziano, basilio, gavilan, lamotta, turpin, etc. that comment was just so wrong on so many levels. be realistic here..fuller maxim graziano basilo gavilan lamotta turpin were good for their time...they would get slaughtered today..other then turpkin and gavilan who had a different style still not good the rest of the guys were no more then bigger versions of arturo gatti..no speed bad reflexes but tuff

you're either white or mexican because me being black he doesn't "condescend" to me. he sounds like someone with supreme confidence in his ablities. the whole uppity ****** routine is coming from your own self insecurities because you're black means that your mind works differently than everyone elses'? bullshit! floyd will never be wildly popular..not in this era. Boxing isnt number one, hes not a one punch KO artist, hes from america, hes black, and those things play against him. Sugar Ray Leonard was popular during a time in boxing when people cared and personality mattered alot more than it does now as far as being all cool and nice and friendly, there was alot more at stake. what???? man, are you serious? being black in boxing plays against him? and being american? heelllll no! it's his attitude. his personality matters quite a bit. why else do you think many people here are not big fans of his? most everyone here acknowledges that mayweather has at least excellent boxing skills, but how many people really want to be a fan of a guy who kisses his own ass? not many.

i saw only a brief clip of the interview and the one thing that bothered me was that floyd could not give kenny a straight answer. but then i realized this: floyd is a professional athlete and pro athletes never ever give straight answers, especially when they have egos bigger than the moon (like floyd).

Yea i didnt see any heated arguments from the espn site.

I gotta see this LOL

thanks!....... I'm not sure if its the whole thing though...

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/index Its on this ESPN boxing page...

I hope Baldomir KO's him and then he tries to rebound with a lesser opponent and they beat him too. lol floyd acts like a prick, but man you need to chill... everytime someone dares comparing fighters from the present/recent past to the past greats, you get mad. which is weird cos your posts are usually well articulated 995 of the times get over it ps: since you like classics, I would change from raw power to something better (any of the other two, my personal nod goes to fun house, but please raw power is... as they say on these boards... gay)

you're either white or mexican because me being black he doesn't "condescend" to me. he sounds like someone with supreme confidence in his ablities. the whole uppity ****** routine is coming from your own self insecurities i really hope you "think" he's mexican and not just labeling all latinos mexican.

i agree with both of you, obviously floyd has to be outspoken and brash to make money... the problem is that he condescends to everyone and ultimately it is his persona that is keeping him from becoming wildly popular floyd will never be wildly popular..not in this era. Boxing isnt number one, hes not a one punch KO artist, hes from america, hes black, and those things play against him. Sugar Ray Leonard was popular during a time in boxing when people cared and personality mattered alot more than it does now as far as being all cool and nice and friendly, there was alot more at stake. Nowadays, unless you have a flag to fly, you dont have shit. Being american isnt cool to people, it isnt appealing, so you have to play some other role to gain popularity in a sport that isnt the attraction it once was in america. Look at hatton, hes a humble guy, good fighter, nice personality, but he will NEVER have the following here in america that he does in the UK, even if he fought here his entire life, but if hatton was alive 25 years ago, and mayweather was alive 25 years ago, things would be ALOT different. Look at jermain taylor, hes a great guy, a stand up mannered gentleman, win or lose, hes a good man, but he will NEVER Have that ultra popularity that others had before because the fact is, the sport isnt what it was here. If your not waving the flag of some country outside of america, chances are your fan following will be minimal in comparison to someone who wraps a puerto rican/filipino/mexican/belarus/japanese etc etc, flag around them. In america, there is no fanfare when you win, you might get some small love in your hometown, but there is no 2000 man/woman/and child parade for a titlist. And being black is worse because people by now are used to ultra talented black athletes in nearly every popular sport, and black people themselves are used to seeing it themselves, most black people dont even get behind their own fighters..why? Because they have michael vicks, reggie bush's, ronhaldinos, ryan howards, tiger woods, dwayne wades, shaqs etc etc etc. Boxing in america just isnt what it was and in order to be popular being black and being american, you need a schtick and you need a serious personality or you get nothing, no matter how good you are.

Right you can be outspoken and brash without looking like an idiot. Ali did it all with a sense of humor. I get the feeling Mayweather is just downright serious about everything he says, from being the greatest of all time to not being sure ODLH's fights sell better than his.

being a pro athlete isnt the same as being a pro boxer where its up to you to make yourself who you are on every level. boxers are the exemption to tennis players/golf players/etcetc, fans matter more in this sport than any other. hate matters more, love matters more. if people arent loving you or hating you, you have nothing. i agree with both of you, obviously floyd has to be outspoken and brash to make money... the problem is that he condescends to everyone and ultimately it is his persona that is keeping him from becoming wildly popular

Black Jesus - i hear what you're saying. but, being a proffessional top level athlete, you really have to watch what you say so you don't give off any false impressions. with pbf though, i don't think he's giving off any false impressions or just saying things to piss people off. i'd bet that how he is in interviews, and some of those misc clips i've seen is quite close to how he is in person/private. i really don't mind, i don't care much - i mean, it's his personality hurting his own ppv numbers. it will likely also have an effect on how he gets veiwed after he is retired and done with boxing. being a pro athlete isnt the same as being a pro boxer where its up to you to make yourself who you are on every level. boxers are the exemption to tennis players/golf players/etcetc, fans matter more in this sport than any other. hate matters more, love matters more. if people arent loving you or hating you, you have nothing.