James Toney undeserving HW

Like I said stay away form the crack son! OH brilliant RESPONSE!!! BRAVO!!! MY question STILL STANDS.. Will someone defend their BOY..????

i don't see how after his last fight went, people could deny Toney another chance at Peter.. (Plus "The Rat", Dan Rafael is one biased man, he should think of joining up with the HBO commentary crew, or at the least, get an audition)

Its really all about how bad Toney wants it. yeah, of course youre going to put your money on the a guy that doesent train and when he loses youll just say "he didnt want it bad enough, if he trained properly he woulda won blah blah blah" really though you are right is it about how bad toney wants it and he doesent want it bad enough, that much is obvious as for smoking your crack, if james toney ever beats wladamir klitschko ill go ahead and do it, so long as you smoke mine if wlad wins?

I don't smoke crack Bitch but you can smoke my crack!

James Toney won that fight and this is the type of thing the commissions should do. Including investigating judges and holding them accountable when bullshit decisions go down. Nobody wants to give Toney a chance against Klitschko? Bullshit! The guy stood in there with a legitimate heavyweight contender in Peter and rocked him many times, took his best punches and came back, He should have moved on to the title fight. If he can pull his weight issue together Toney could beat Klitschco all night long until his legs go to jello and he gets put to sleep as usual. Its really all about how bad Toney wants it.

The reality is :

anyone who thinks james toney could beat wladamir klitschko is smoking crack nobody will ever beat wladamir by decision, and toney is the only top 10 heayweight without the power to KO wlad, it would be a massacre but i would love to see the fight made, there are so many toney fans blind to the facts that i could probablr get some good odds on a wladamir victory

Man Toney has just happen to have some misfortunes thats all he beat RUIZ but was unknowingly on the juice, OH come on man!!! of course he wont admit it.. there is NO conspiarcy against James Toney.. The man is an awesome BOXER he is just TOO small to be an ELITE HW.. he needed roids to compete and got caught.. he is hardly unique.. Sticking your hed in the sand and pretending it didn't happen dont change the fact that it did.. Or have you not noticed he hasn't gone to court or even mildly protested.. Innocent people tend to fight when wrongly accused .. His last 2 performances are proof that he cant do the HW thing without them.. well he can do it.. JUST not on an elite level.. HOW come whenever I bring up the fact wheter he beat Peter or NOT.. what was Sam Peter even doing competeing with him If Toney is so awesome and Peter so shite.. that Sam Peter was landing STRAIGHT punches(something I never seen before this fight) and countering Toneys left Hooks all night long (yeah you heard me SAm Peter countering) I get Stone cold silence? WHY WONT A Toney fan defend their boy when I bring this UP?

he beat ruiz with one arm , he beat guinn every round , and he was robbed against peter.... i became a toney fan only becuase i doubted him every fight and he always wins... he did look like shit a against rahaman , but he beat peter theres no question in my mind.. peter said toney would beat wlad ... and altho i would doubt him in that fight again but i bet he would win.. no that his arm is healed his jab was vicious against peter. they even said he broke peters nose inthe first round.. i guess we'll just have to weight for the rematch... another thing toney doestn duck anybody, wlad ducked valuev ...Who cares that Peter said Toney would beat Wlad? I wouldn't expect him to say anything less regardless of what he really believes. Take out the rabbit punches and Wlad beat the living shit out of Peter. Hell, he beat the living shit out of him even with the Rabbit punches. Wlad could have knocked him out cold if he pressed as he had Peter seriously on queer street in the last round. Peter should hope they never meet again because Wlad would end it in spectacular fashion. He has his confidence back and he is a very very dangerous fighter once again. Toney stands no chance against Wlad if they were to meet.

My point was that Toney has done nothing in the HW division to prove his position in title shots. Peter in the other hand proved that he could compete in the Championship level by knocking Klitschko down and giving him a hell of a fight. And you guys keep bringing up that Toney won because 80% of the media thought Toney won. Well guess what, 90% of the media thought Rahman convincingly beat Toney. The fact is the Peter vs. Toney fight was an eliminator bout to put the winning fighter in line for the WBC title. What kind of elimination bout is it if a guy is declared the winner and an immediate rematch is needed? That's like having a race for a gold medal but the person you wanted to win failed and you demand a another race until your guy wins. Why don't they just hand him a belt. The thing is, that decision was so crooked, Toney's team could file a protest, launch an investigation into those judges' decision, and raise a shit storm that would implicate WBC in this whole affair as well. WBC did the right thing for themselves, fans, Toney, and the sport.

Whether you think he beat James Toney or got a gift, it is absurd for the reprehensible WBC to order an immediate rematch simply because it was a close fight. No rules were broken. There was no injury. There were no wacky circumstances. Just two judges who saw it for Peter and one for Toney. The WBC should be ashamed of itself, but that is impossible because it has no shame. The miscarriage of justice here is that Peter has been wrongfully denied a title shot he earned by beating Toney in an official eliminator. Comments by Dan Rafael about Samuel Peter I can't agree more, this is the most ridiculous thing ever. Toney gets the most title shots than Any current HW. He fought for 2 major titles in his last four fights. He fought Ruiz for the WBA and Rahman for the WBC. He gets an eliminator fight with Sam Peter and loses now he gets another shot to be the #1 contender for a major HW title. Does anyone else thinks this is a disgrace to boxing? It seems like they want to force Toney to be a champ. Man Toney has just happen to have some misfortunes thats all he beat RUIZ but was unknowingly on the juice, then he fights to a close draw with Rahman and beats the hell out of Peter but gets the lost he deserves this shot and if he capatilizez he deserves the title shot period!

wow you really broke it down and diagnosed it ... pure genuis

he said it in a state aww.. he couldnt believe how strong toney was and said he never hit toney clean. not once.. he said toney is strong "hes a rock" he knew he lost the fight

he beat ruiz with one arm , he beat guinn every round , and he was robbed against peter.... i became a toney fan only becuase i doubted him every fight and he always wins... he did look like shit a against rahaman , but he beat peter theres no question in my mind.. peter said toney would beat wlad ... and altho i would doubt him in that fight again but i bet he would win.. no that his arm is healed his jab was vicious against peter. they even said he broke peters nose inthe first round.. i guess we'll just have to weight for the rematch... another thing toney doestn duck anybody, wlad ducked valuev Toney ON steroids beat Ruiz with one arm... Lots of people beat Ruiz.. Don King has a way making HIS champs win regardless of what actaully happens in the ring.. which is why the Peter descion was such a surprise.. Wlad is not perfect.. I am mature enough to critise my favorite boxers too... But he does have some serious issues with fighting DK controled fighters.. he is also a pussy for taking the Byrd fight instead of Fighting Brewster.. But Toney is one guy who doesn't have chance against him.. As for Peter saying he thinks Toney could beat Wlad .. compare the 2 fights.. maybe petter is still a bit concussed and not thinking right... Or maybe he is only saying that to make HIS victory of Toney seem even more impressive ...

he beat ruiz with one arm , he beat guinn every round , and he was robbed against peter.... i became a toney fan only becuase i doubted him every fight and he always wins... he did look like shit a against rahaman , but he beat peter theres no question in my mind.. peter said toney would beat wlad ... and altho i would doubt him in that fight again but i bet he would win.. no that his arm is healed his jab was vicious against peter. they even said he broke peters nose inthe first round.. i guess we'll just have to weight for the rematch... another thing toney doestn duck anybody, wlad ducked valuev

get the fuck outta here your just a wlad worshipper.. they asked peter who would win if wlad were to fight toney and peter with out hesitation said toney he is the best p4p fighter.. dont forget the facts and quotes HA HA the truth always hurts and leads to insults from those who cannot come up with anything to say.. If you would actually take the time to read what I said instead of getting your feelings hurt because I dont worship a fat racist prick like do.. You might realise I didn't insult your precious overweight Thug once (I sure am Now, seeing how much It hurts your petty feelings, and how much I enjoy doing that) I never once questioned Toneys skills.. Only that he sucks at HW ...

get the fuck outta here your just a wlad worshipper.. they asked peter who would win if wlad were to fight toney and peter with out hesitation said toney he is the best p4p fighter.. dont forget the facts and quotes

There just seems to be alot of people who cant accept james Toney is NOT a legit HW... The WBC ought to be ashamed of themselves.. Robbery? not a chance.. the fight could have gone either way.. depending on how you score the close rounds 8-4 either way is not out of the question.. If you listen to peoples opinions you can draw 2 conclusions.. James Toney is amazing.. and Sam Peter is crude and amateurish.. Would we all agree on this? So how then is there EVEN a contraversy? what is a slob like Peter doing even competeing with the brilliance of James Toney.. ???? Sure Toney was countering.. BUT SO WAS Sam Peter.. in fact its the best Peter has ever looked.. Peter also comtroled the action much more than Toney did.. There was nothing with the outcome of this fight unless you You are a Toney Lover.. which is OK... but nothing bad happened .. the omly conspiracy is the WBC accepting EVEN more sleaze money from DK .. I say let DK buy Toney a belt.. Its not like would be able to keep it agaisnt ANY of those "white guys" he keeps claiming will never be champion.. My prefernce has ALWAYS been for Wlad Klitschko to beat Toney Pillar to Post.. I would also accept Liakhovich, Valuev(that would a fun fight to watch) and even Maskaev who was able to what Toney said he could do but couldn't.. and thats Knock someone out... If there is a robberey.. Its Peter NOT getting his well deserved shot... and people wonder why Boxing is on the decline..

My point was that Toney has done nothing in the HW division to prove his position in title shots. Peter in the other hand proved that he could compete in the Championship level by knocking Klitschko down and giving him a hell of a fight. And you guys keep bringing up that Toney won because 80% of the media thought Toney won. Well guess what, 90% of the media thought Rahman convincingly beat Toney. The fact is the Peter vs. Toney fight was an eliminator bout to put the winning fighter in line for the WBC title. What kind of elimination bout is it if a guy is declared the winner and an immediate rematch is needed? That's like having a race for a gold medal but the person you wanted to win failed and you demand a another race until your guy wins. Why don't they just hand him a belt. Like I said earlier and you ignored: Blame the WBC for tying up their title for another six months while Maskaev takes a joke of a fight with the title on the line. You're not making any sense. You're contradicting yourself with everything you say. You're the one who dropped the Rahman fight saying it's a loss. I pointed out, that defeats your logic, because more people had Toney beating Peter. And it was 100% of the press at ringside. There was no memeber of the press present at the fight that thought Peter won. The bottom line is that the WBC title is tied up (becuase of the WBC) until the spring. Peter would be taking a fight anyway, and a fight with that much contraversy is a no brainer for a rematch. You say Toney doesn't deserve anything but that Peter does for looking good (according to you) in a LOSING effort agaisnt Klitschko. Well then Toney looked pretty good in a "losing" effort agaisnt Peter. You can't say anything without sounding like a hypocrite. Especially with that giant lug in your avatar. That "Win" over Larry Donald, he sure earned that shot and 'convicing' win over Ruiz. :rolleyes: Give it a rest. Or at least find something legit to complain about. :nonono:

This is boxing! Potentially the most corrupt sport in all of the world. You need not ask question that question logic,simply because throughout history boxing has shown little or no logic. It doesn't even have an organized governing body, how the hell can any decisions made by flaoting governing bodies have any credibility. For God's sake the IBF is in the back pocket of Don King, and the WBC is well known for absurd actions. Why the fuck do we have 4 world champions in the same division? Why the hell do we have 4 governing bodies for one sport? These problems will continue unless reputable pro and veterans band together to get once and for all one universal governing body and union of associated boxers. Until then, we the future pros and current fans will continue to see the ultimate regression of the former sport of kings.