Why Bernard Did Not Make My Top Twenty Middleweights Of All Time.

Not only did B-Hop beat some really good fighters prior to his "biggest wins" against these alleged little guys "Tito, Oscar, and Winky", but he beat some big boys as well. He sent Glen Johnson's career into a momentary downward spiral with his devastating one-sided beating that he handed him. Let's not forget that Johnson was not the "Road Warrior" rallying back from overseas scuffles and unwarranted losses, but an undefeated prospect with 30 wins under his belt before B-Hop taught him a lesson and brought him to school. This is the same Glen Johnson that would move up to 175, handle Tarver, and knockout the Great Roy Jones (two divisions above middelweight i might add)... And the other "legend-killer" that ko'd Roy after his maniacle weight loss- you know, Antonio Tarver?!?... yeah, B-hop whooped that ass too, and quite easily i might add. I was in Atlantic City to witness this great evening in person. nobody was complaining about b-hop picking on little guys that night. he was beating the bully, and doing it with style.... As for some of the "bum" middleweights that he faced... He ended Joe Lipsey's career. This was an undefeated prospect with huge expectations and Hopkins not only knocked him the fuck out, but he ruined the kid... The man had 20 defenses against the best opposition in the division, including Antwun Echols, Keith Holmes, simon brown, Joppy (wow did he fuck his shit up- straight up made him look like an alien), the dangerous john david jackson (35-2) howard eastman, robert Allen, so what else does the man have to do for keyboard warriors to stop attempting to discredit his whole career with a few carelessly typed words in an internet forum?!? Now lets gets get to the issue at hand. LADIES AND GENTLEMAN..... The fact is that B-Hop's weight upon weigh-inwas actually LESS than Oscar's for their middleweight scrap. That's right. B-Hop came in at 156. Oscar was the bigger man in that fight, yet those extra pounds could not protect him from the execution that ensued at the hands of an absolute master. And Felix Trinidad? Nobody claimed Tito was too small for the division when he whooped joppy's ass prior to the B-Hop fight. In fact, many bet their houses that the seemingly indestructible Felix Trinidad would not only beat Hopkins, but knock him out.... This would of course not be the case though, as Hopkins put on yet another exhibition-like. one-sided, beating on his lesser opponent: a straight clinic... Hopkins pound for pound is a MUCH better fighter than Trinidad was or could have ever been, so quit your whining about Trinidad's weight.... Then the Winky wright criticism.... Yes, in his younger days, he was one of the most dominant junior-middleweights ever, but bodies change and he outgrew the division. he became a middleweight (even going so far as to make quartey (a guy whose prime was at welterweight) come up to middleweight to fight him, since making 154 wasn't in the realm of possibility anymore. Let us not forget that Winky went toe-to-toe with Jermain Taylor, the alleged middleweight champion, and schooled him comfortably at 160. Okay, 170 may have been a bit much for the Winkster, but enough with the junior-middleweight shit. Winky could whoop anyone at 160 at that stage (before his year and a half layoff), including pavlik imo. Based on B-Hop's De La Hoya weight, Why don't we call B-Hop a jr. middleweight then too. In fact, 152 is welterweight in the amateurs, so I'm gonna go ahead and call B-Hop a welterweight! weight doesn't influence things as much as you might think folks. think of some of the best fighters of all time: duran, sugar ray robinson, sugar shane, sugar ray leonard, oscar, james toney, floyd patterson, evander holyfield, roy jones jr. they were the best and their skills took them to championships no matter what weight class they fought in. the fact is that bernard hopkins is one of the greatest middleweights of all time, if not THE greatest. so, why don't we show him some respect....

Oh, fantastic. I woke up this morning thinking, "Gosh, I wonder why Neverlast decided two years ago not to put Bernard Hopkins on his list of the top 20 middleweights of all time." And here it is. Thank you, thread bumper, you've done me the greatest favor I could've ever asked for. God bless you, thread bumper, and God bless America.

I don't have calzaghe in my top 100 super middles of all time. Although I have the utmost respect for Joe and his long reign, I do not feel that he was strongly tested during his tenure as champion. Granted this was not his fault and granted he was the BEST of his time. i mean look at sugar ray leonard he had 1 fight at super middle and he would destroy calzaghe.

That doesn't mean Leonard deserves to be ranked at Middleweight. Having 3 fights at Middleweight doesn't make you one of the greatest there. Would Leonard have beaten Hopkins? I would say yes actually. I have Bernard about 6 on my list. 1. Marvin Hagler 2. Harry Greb 3. Carlos Monzon 4. Bob Fitzsimmons 5. Stanly Keetchel 6. Bernard Hopkins 7. Sugar Ray Robinson 8. Jake Lamotta 9. Charley Burley 10. Gene Fullmer

01) Harry Greb 02) Sugar Ray Robinson 03) Carlos Monzon 04) Ezzard Charles 05) Marvin Hagler 06) Jake LaMotta 07) Bob Fitzsimmons 08) Charley Burley 09) Gene Fullmer 10) Stanley Ketchel 11) Mickey Walker 12) Emile Griffith 13) Sugar Ray Leonard 14) Roy Jones Jr. 15) Tony Zale 16) Dick Tiger 17) Joey Giardello 18) Marcel Cerdan 19) James Toney 20) Mike McCallum I did not include Bernard Hopkins. Although I have the utmost respect for Bernard and his long reign, I do not feel that he was strongly tested during his tenure as champion.Granted this was not his fault and granted he was the BEST of his time. I honestly feel the 20 I have listed would have beat Bernard. Sugar Ray Leonard at 13? Hagler did lose to Leonard, you know this, right?

120 post of pure unadulterated bullshit

I just think Bernard Hopkins deserves the respect for staying true to himself, doing things his way and being an old school fighter who loves the game and most importantly FIGHTS TO WIN. Bernard Hopkins has been fighting NOT TO LOSE for many years now.

Hey...Who's retarded ??? You're talking about some of the greatest middleweights of all time. Surar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns would have beat Hopkins. Good God I hate to think what Monzon would have done to him. The fact you think a list of accomplishment can be based on a hypothetical 'who beats who' speaks for itself. Your list is beyond flawed. Brutal take.

he wasnt as much fun to watch as hagler robinson and many others but i think he would of given them all a good fight many would of even taken a L

I just think Bernard Hopkins deserves the respect for staying true to himself, doing things his way and being an old school fighter who loves the game and most importantly FIGHTS TO WIN.

Some writers/pundits just want to hear themselves talk, this is one of those instances. Who cares if he isnt in YOUR top 20, who are you? LMAO, I don't know why but when I read that I found it very funny.

Hey it's IMO just like you have your own. It's no different then could Ali have beaten Joe Louis ? Or could Bob Foster beaten Archie Moore ? We'll never really know. It's interesting to talk and debate about but there will never be a clear winner. Maybe that makes us both retarded.

Also, how can you compare Hopkins with others on that bs list? They were fighters of DIFFERENT ERAS....how would you know if some of those fighters would have beat Hopkins if he was born in that same time period? The only thing i would agree with you on is that he lost a fairly CLOSE fight to RJJ and now, if they fought one another, i would give the edge to Hopkins cuz Roy's chin is fukn glass.

Hey...Who's retarded ??? You're talking about some of the greatest middleweights of all time. Surar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns would have beat Hopkins. Good God I hate to think what Monzon would have done to him.

Out of my top twenty...Who would Hopkins have beat ? Hm....lets see....maybe about 90% of that list!

Because he came up through the rankings as a middleweight ( JONES ). He beat Hopkins fair and square. Although he beat Toney at 168 I feel he would have beat him too at 160. This is the same Toney who got by another great, Mike McCallum.

01) Harry Greb 02) Sugar Ray Robinson 03) Carlos Monzon 04) Ezzard Charles 05) Marvin Hagler 06) Jake LaMotta 07) Bob Fitzsimmons 08) Charley Burley 09) Gene Fullmer 10) Stanley Ketchel 11) Mickey Walker 12) Emile Griffith 13) Sugar Ray Leonard 14) Roy Jones Jr. 15) Tony Zale 16) Dick Tiger 17) Joey Giardello 18) Marcel Cerdan 19) James Toney 20) Mike McCallum I did not include Bernard Hopkins. Although I have the utmost respect for Bernard and his long reign, I do not feel that he was strongly tested during his tenure as champion.Granted this was not his fault and granted he was the BEST of his time. I honestly feel the 20 I have listed would have beat Bernard. YOU ARE RETARDED....

Out of my top twenty...Who would Hopkins have beat ?

Did RJJ fight most of his fights at light heavyweight? Why did u put him on ur middleweight list?

01) Harry Greb 02) Sugar Ray Robinson 03) Carlos Monzon 04) Ezzard Charles 05) Marvin Hagler 06) Jake LaMotta 07) Bob Fitzsimmons 08) Charley Burley 09) Gene Fullmer 10) Stanley Ketchel 11) Mickey Walker 12) Emile Griffith 13) Sugar Ray Leonard 14) Roy Jones Jr. 15) Tony Zale 16) Dick Tiger 17) Joey Giardello 18) Marcel Cerdan 19) James Toney 20) Mike McCallum I did not include Bernard Hopkins. Although I have the utmost respect for Bernard and his long reign, I do not feel that he was strongly tested during his tenure as champion.Granted this was not his fault and granted he was the BEST of his time. I honestly feel the 20 I have listed would have beat Bernard.