If Ali had not knocked out foreman....

when there's huge amounts of cash going around on the outcome of a fight you can never be to sure whats going to happen

Holmes never had the chance to really shine due to the lack of real quality that had the devision buzzing a few years earlier, he had the tools to real shine during the golden years of the heavies but he just missed out, robbing him a place in history PS, if Ali and Forman had a remach who would win. Nowadays...i would bet my ass on foreman...hahahahaha

Thats for sure...Foreman was ahead on point on that fight...he was leading on agressiveness and throwing and landing more punches than Ali was, because it was part of his game plan...but, without the KO i dont know how Ali was gonna win that fight Obviously i referred to Ali´s Game plan not Foreman´s

Yeah Foreman's punches weren't doing damage but I think the judges were scoring for Foreman. I believe Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee believed he was losing too. Thats for sure...Foreman was ahead on point on that fight...he was leading on agressiveness and throwing and landing more punches than Ali was, because it was part of his game plan...but, without the KO i dont know how Ali was gonna win that fight

Holmes never had the chance to really shine due to the lack of real quality that had the devision buzzing a few years earlier, he had the tools to real shine during the golden years of the heavies but he just missed out, robbing him a place in history PS, if Ali and Forman had a remach who would win.

Shavers.. 10 char.

Holmes is my first guess.

Holmes would have taken the title from him in probably 77. People underestimate Holmes but by that time he would have been a beast and George would have been beaten.

Norton, probably around 1976. Nah I doubt Norton would have fought George again. Even if he did Geore would likely have whacked him out early, much like Shavers and Cooney did. Holmes or Young are the best bets as they have the skills and more importantly the chins to get the job done.

Norton, probably around 1976.

Who would have taken the title from him and when? Okay, because you didn't clarify, I'd say Ali would have won a decision had Foreman actually beaten the count and somehow survived the remaining seven rounds. But, if you mean what would have happened had Foreman beaten Ali, then I think either Jimmy Young...if he'd gotten a title shot, would have beaten Foreman, or Larry Holmes in 1977. Other possible candidates are Michael Dokes, Greg Page...not likely; but possible, and Tim Witherspoon by the early 1980's. However, Larry Holmes is your best bet because Norton would NEVER beat Foreman, neither would Tate nor Bobick.

He'd still be champ now!... No, even for the Ali fight all Foreman was thinking about was the $5M he was gonna get. I think if Foreman beat Ali he would have continued to destroy guys and just do less unless training. In the end he would be over confident and get beat by a underdog. possibly young or someone else. it's impossible to tell.

Again I have to completly disagree :eek: . Most of the rounds were won by Ali. I had him up by 3 rounds. Foreman was punching punching punching and either not landing, or not doing any damage. When Ali went to work it was classic! Not only WERE they landing, but they were taking a toll on foreman and doing damage. Foreman looked slow and ponderous. I've watched the fight several times and I really get a feel for the event and appriciate and admire what Ali was doing in there. To say that Foreman would have won on points is just crazy! Past the 4th round he was FUCKED!!!! thats true but i did mean if ali had lost the fight he would then have gone after jimmy young in his fight rather than trying to pace himself and barely throwing any punches he would almost certainly have taken jimmy young out within 6 rounds i dont believe larry holmes had the tools to put away foreman he wasn't fleet footed enough to stay away( even ali couldn't) and he didn't have the durability to do what ali did if it wasn;t for ali i would have expected foreman to possibly beat joe louis' record for the longest title reign

If Ali didn't KO Big George that night, then George would have been unrecognizable by the end of round 15. Ali was hitting Foreman with the sharpest and most accurated punches I've ever seen a heavyweight throw. If you guys remember, by the time Ali had KOed Foreman his face was so puffy from all of Ali's jabs and right crosses.

Yeah Foreman's punches weren't doing damage but I think the judges were scoring for Foreman. I believe Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee believed he was losing too.

he wasnt winning at all. he was down a good round or two. the rounds he won and lost were pretty clear to me. i think he woulda lost a decision if he hadnt knocked him out, everyone scores fights differently Again I have to completly disagree :eek: . Most of the rounds were won by Ali. I had him up by 3 rounds. Foreman was punching punching punching and either not landing, or not doing any damage. When Ali went to work it was classic! Not only WERE they landing, but they were taking a toll on foreman and doing damage. Foreman looked slow and ponderous. I've watched the fight several times and I really get a feel for the event and appriciate and admire what Ali was doing in there. To say that Foreman would have won on points is just crazy! Past the 4th round he was FUCKED!!!!

Larry Holmes, Foreman was declining not physically but in terms of preparing for fights so by 77 78 holmes chin, jab, ring generalship would have done it

If foreman did'nt lose to Ali, he would have beaten Jimmy Young. If Tyson didnt lose to Doulass, he wouldve beaten holyfield blabla. I dont understand why people give foreman these excuses. Anyway, I think Jimmy Young would have been the man. If not, then probably Holmes.

Ken Norton.

If he did not knock him out, he would have beat him on points. HE was already leading on points on route to decision Foreman. he wasnt winning at all. he was down a good round or two. the rounds he won and lost were pretty clear to me. i think he woulda lost a decision if he hadnt knocked him out, everyone scores fights differently