Mayweather vs. De La Hoya, fixed or not?

Alright. First and foremost, I don't mean to dissappoint anyone or anything with this thread, or to put negative thoughts in your heads. If you truly want to ask a question I have about this fight being fixed then read on. If you don't then don't. You might even think it's the most stupid thread, but that's your opinion. Read at your own will. You've been warned. I was talking to my uncle the other day who watches A LOT of boxing. I asked him whether he thinks DLH took a dive against Hopkins. He said of course, Hopkins punch didn't have any levrage (spelling) and he "hit" DLH with the palm of the glove which shouldn't even hurt at all even if it was flush to the face. He said DLH did that so that he could lose to Hopkins, then Hopkins would look good in the boxing world, then he would sign Hopkins to Golden Boy Promotions at the time when "Hopkins is the guy to beat because he KO'd DLH." Hopkins would have tons of opposition willing to pay millions to fight him. DLH would then get a sweet percentage. I had never looked at it that way before, but thinking about, I agreed 100%. Now with the Mayweather - DLH fight, he said it's fixed. I asked him why and he said because Floyd is usually considered as "the guy as good or barely better than DLH" today and DLH is just going to pass down the torch to Floyd, (since DLH is considered one of the best today) and once Floyd beats Oscar, DLH is going to sign Mayweather when he is ultimately "the guy to beat" again. He said he is doing the same thing he did with Hopkins, except this time he is going to retire and make money off of the newly signed Sultan Ibragimov, Barrera, Mosley, and now the best p4p fighter in the world, Floyd Mayweather. He says with all that, plus the superfight with Mayweather is going to earn him a good 100 mil by the end of the year. And at least 70 mil every year for the next 10 years. Then he said DLH would retire everything and live rich for the rest of his life. All this really makes sense to me. I don't exactly agree with it, but I also can't deny the possibility. I would hate if DLH was in for the money. I hope DLH can beat Mayweather, then sign him and retire, my uncle said, "then Mayweather wouldn't be the guy to beat, and would have 10 times less opposition which means 10 times less the millions of dollars." ANY OPINIONS AT ALL, EVEN IF YOURE CALLING ME AN IDIOT, POST THEM HERE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know bro but that theory is a contradiction by itself since hoya received much much more money in his last fight than what b-hop received in his last two fights put together.

Anyone who thinks that was a dive needs to go down to a local gym and ask to get hit with some liver shots. Unreal. He got hit in the sweet spot and lost by knock out.

Damn, look, DLH is my fav fighter and BHOP is one of my fav fighters. But you guys just have to accept that DLH took a dive. HE TOOK A DIVE AND ACCEPT IT!!! It's not hate on Oscar, its just the truth. Anyone else who says that that was a perfect liver shot that KO'd DLH is just afraid to face the truth. Anyways, the point of this thread was to see the opinions of people and whether or not they think DLH is going to take a dive against Mayweather. I truly believe that DLH can beat Mayweather if he really wants to, but the question is if he wants to. I really have not comment on this one.

Why would Oscar take a dive, that man is one of the most wealthy boxers in the sport. He doesn't need to take a dive for money. The Oscar hate is insane.

The fight was legit stop trying to diminish Bhops legacy. he whipped the goldenboy the only man to ever ko him. so stop the hating :boxing: please... I'm a HUGHE BHOP fan. This fight "doesnt" tarnish BHOPS legacy, he was doing his job and came in to do what he had to do. IF anyone's reputation has been tarnished it is Oscars. What I said was when I look at this fight on either of there records I dont take it seriously. This fight was not legit...your a fool if you think it was.

Alright. First and foremost, I don't mean to dissappoint anyone or anything with this thread, or to put negative thoughts in your heads. If you truly want to ask a question I have about this fight being fixed then read on. If you don't then don't. You might even think it's the most stupid thread, but that's your opinion. Read at your own will. You've been warned. I was talking to my uncle the other day who watches A LOT of boxing. I asked him whether he thinks DLH took a dive against Hopkins. He said of course, Hopkins punch didn't have any levrage (spelling) and he "hit" DLH with the palm of the glove which shouldn't even hurt at all even if it was flush to the face. He said DLH did that so that he could lose to Hopkins, then Hopkins would look good in the boxing world, then he would sign Hopkins to Golden Boy Promotions at the time when "Hopkins is the guy to beat because he KO'd DLH." Hopkins would have tons of opposition willing to pay millions to fight him. DLH would then get a sweet percentage. I had never looked at it that way before, but thinking about, I agreed 100%. Now with the Mayweather - DLH fight, he said it's fixed. I asked him why and he said because Floyd is usually considered as "the guy as good or barely better than DLH" today and DLH is just going to pass down the torch to Floyd, (since DLH is considered one of the best today) and once Floyd beats Oscar, DLH is going to sign Mayweather when he is ultimately "the guy to beat" again. He said he is doing the same thing he did with Hopkins, except this time he is going to retire and make money off of the newly signed Sultan Ibragimov, Barrera, Mosley, and now the best p4p fighter in the world, Floyd Mayweather. He says with all that, plus the superfight with Mayweather is going to earn him a good 100 mil by the end of the year. And at least 70 mil every year for the next 10 years. Then he said DLH would retire everything and live rich for the rest of his life. All this really makes sense to me. I don't exactly agree with it, but I also can't deny the possibility. I would hate if DLH was in for the money. I hope DLH can beat Mayweather, then sign him and retire, my uncle said, "then Mayweather wouldn't be the guy to beat, and would have 10 times less opposition which means 10 times less the millions of dollars." ANY OPINIONS AT ALL, EVEN IF YOURE CALLING ME AN IDIOT, POST THEM HERE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always knew it was a dive. You could see from the beginning of the fight that BHOP was just carrying Oscar. I dont think he did it because he wanted to make BHOP the man to beat. BHOP is already the man to beat. I think he just stayed down so he could avoid further punishment. He was looking at a serious beat down and once he realized he had no chance he took the best escape route possible. A TREMENDOUS LIVER SHOT that landed on his elbow and grazed his liver, lol. Of course the signing of BHOP probably had something to do with it too but I dont know. That could be it. Either way that fight was a joke. It's one of those fights that when looking at either DLH or BHOPs record I just ignore.

I have to claim ignorance here, because I've only seen it as it happened, and then in replay, but not from numerous angles. From the basic wide angle, the ref and shadows makes it too difficult for me to see the punch land on the arm. It was clearly on the side and in the sweet spot. A shot like that can shock your whole system, and the severtiy of it depends on whether or not you're ready to accept it. Oscar didn't see it coming and wasn't flexing and ready to accpet it. A good rule of thumb is to not listen to little trolls like Diego***o. We all know he wasn't even watching boxing back then. He's just a bitter little kid who likes to hate on certian fighters. :cool:

it was actually a punch that landed on the arm first, thereby taking all force out of the punch as it next caught the body. it was an arm punch. watch it 1000 times. I have to claim ignorance here, because I've only seen it as it happened, and then in replay, but not from numerous angles. From the basic wide angle, the ref and shadows makes it too difficult for me to see the punch land on the arm.

Wasn't it a liver shot that put De La Hoya down? I don't care how big and strong you are, if you get hit there with the right amount of pressure, you're hitting the deck. it was actually a punch that landed on the arm first, thereby taking all force out of the punch as it next caught the body. it was an arm punch. watch it 1000 times.

I could see it if only because this time De La Hoya will lose a decision. If Mayweather somehow KO's De La Hoya even half as questionable as Hopkins did and then signs Mayweather, I will never forgive Oscar for making a mockery of the sport. Fool me once, fine. Fool me twice? Nah uh.

Wasn't it a liver shot that put De La Hoya down? I don't care how big and strong you are, if you get hit there with the right amount of pressure, you're hitting the deck.

I just ran across the article you're talking about. I'll go find the articles that I read, where he said he wouldn't corner DLH. Not sure what to think now. It's discussed in the latest issue of Ring. Mayweather Sr is on board if the fight happens.

While searching for those articles I stumbled across this one, so I can see I'm a little late when it concerns this. http://www.tigerboxing.com/articles/index.php?aid=1001245642 BREAKING NEWS...OSCAR DECIDES NOT TO DECIDE YET Lyle Fitzsimmons 06/21/2006 - Philadephia BUT IF HE DOES FIGHT AGAIN IN 2007, THE OPPONENT WILL BE FLOYD MAYWEATHER, JR! Oscar De La Hoya, the gold medal-winning amateur who went on to become the sport’s signature performer as a professional, announced at least a temporary extension for his career today during a media teleconference from his home in Puerto Rico. The 33-year-old Mexican-American, who turned pro after the 1992 Olympics amid nearly unprecedented hoopla and won his first championship belt less than 16 months later, didn’t say he’d fight again, but instead said the pressure to complete a fight negotiation by Sept. 16 was too soon to make a final up or down call on his career. And in a subtle bombshell, he claimed his next and final fight, if it happens, would be against Floyd Mayweather Jr. A dream matchup with the consensus pound-for-pound champ — who holds the IBF and IBO welterweight titles — was forecast by many following the Mayorga win, but De La Hoya initially squashed the idea out of loyalty to lead trainer Floyd Mayweather Sr., his prospective opponent’s father. Mayweather Sr. had initially said he’d not take part in training De La Hoya for the bout. But De La Hoya said Wednesday that Mayweather Sr. had changed his mind. “I felt retirement should be a final decision for a fighter,” he said. “When I retire it’ll be a definite and when I announce something it’ll be for sure, with no ifs and butts. Today is not that day. My next fight — if I decide to have a next fight — it will be Floyd Mayweather Jr. “I realize of course, that Mayweather can beat me. But I realize that I can beat him, too. And him coming up to 154 is a whole different ballgame. If I have to use his father to beat his son, I’ll do it. Floyd Mayweather is the best fighter in the world. And if I beat him, I’ll be the best fighter in the world. That’s a motivation.” De La Hoya’s last in-ring appearance came May 6 in Las Vegas, when he stopped Ricardo Mayorga in six rounds to win the WBC’s 154-pound title. De La Hoya reportedly suffered an injured left shoulder during that fight, an issue that scuttled early talk of a subsequent bout in late summer or early fall. However, he said lingering injuries will not be the cause for him to retire. “I will not be making a decision because of injuries,” he said. “I don’t think injuries will have a factor in whatever I do. If you ask, yes, where I am leaning now, I am leaning toward fighting again. When I say I’m going to retire, I’m going to retire, win or lose.” The Mayorga win was De La Hoya’s first in nearly two years, since a highly controversial 12-round decision over Germany’s Felix Sturm for the lightly regarded WBO middleweight championship in June 2004. That fight was a final tune-up for his challenge of longtime middleweight kingpin Bernard Hopkins, who stopped De La Hoya in nine rounds three months later. Ironically, the two foes became partners shortly after their bout when De La Hoya hired Hopkins as an East Coast executive for Golden Boy Promotions, the fledgling company that bears his long-time nickname. De La Hoya won his first championship — the WBO super featherweight title — with a 10th-round TKO of Jimmi Bredahl in March 1994 in Los Angeles. Title No. 2 came two fights later, when he stopped veteran Jorge Paez in two rounds for the WBO lightweight crown in July 1994. De La Hoya defended his share of the lightweight crown three times before partially unifying the division with a brutal two-round stoppage of Rafael Ruelas in May 1995 in Las Vegas. Two more defenses followed before a venture to 140 pounds, which yielded a title — the WBC’s version — when he stopped Mexican icon Julio Cesar Chavez on cuts after four rounds in June 1996. He defended the junior welter crown just once before again heading north in weight, decisioning Pernell Whitaker for the WBC’s 147-pound strap in April 1997. Seven defenses followed — including another stoppage of Chavez — before De La Hoya suffered his first loss, via heavily debated decision, to IBF champ Felix Trinidad in September 1999 at Mandalay Bay. He lost another 12-round nod, this time to Shane Mosley, two fights later, then headed to junior middleweight to capture the WBC’s title with a decision over Javier Castillejo in June 2001. He picked up the WBA and IBA belts with a gritty 11th-round TKO of Fernando Vargas 15 months later, then defended the collection once before again falling to Mosley via the scorecards in September 2003.

Not correct. Floyd Sr is on board if the fight goes ahead, and will train Oscar and be in the corner across from his son. He announced this a month ago. I just ran across the article you're talking about. I'll go find the articles that I read, where he said he wouldn't corner DLH. Not sure what to think now.

He has also stated that he wouldn't fight anybody else without Mayweather Sr. in his corner, Mayweather Sr. has already said that he won't be in DLH's corner for a potential fight against his son. Not correct. Floyd Sr is on board if the fight goes ahead, and will train Oscar and be in the corner across from his son. He announced this a month ago.

From all publised quotes from DLH, he's made it pretty clear that Mayweather is among a small group of fighters he'd be interested in fighting as a last fight in his great career. He has also stated that he wouldn't fight anybody else without Mayweather Sr. in his corner, Mayweather Sr. has already said that he won't be in DLH's corner for a potential fight against his son. To say that DLH threw the fight against Hopkins, and would throw the fight against Mayweather means that he doesn't care about his legacy, and that is the easiest way to disprove your theory of him throwing fights. He has stated hundreds upon hundreds of times, he is concerned about his legacy and place in history first and foremost, the business aspect is a bonus for him, something he can do so he can be a part of the business after he hangs em up.

thats a theory

Bump......

i dont think this is true tbh, ive heard hop in interviews in the past talkin about how stories of the mob etc make him feel sick

Well its not official but it pretty much is clear that he is going to fight him. DLH keeps saying his last fight will only be against Mayweather and Mayweather says he really wants to fight DLH.