"Who? What has he done? Who is he?" - Floyd Mayweather

Right. There is no guarantee. IF the fight does well enough, then Floyd MIGHT make $8M. And that's doubtful. The fight would have to do better gate and PPV than Judah-Mayweather. I don't really see that, but it's possible if it's promoted right. Either way, he stands to make more by fighting Margarito in his next fight, because that PPV will likely do better than a Baldomir PPV, and will CERTAINLY do a better live gate in Vegas, and from the sound of it, Margarito is willing to take less than Baldomir is reportedly making, just to make the fight happen. We'll see, Arum will be waiting to make an offer after November, I'm sure. :) Floyd is getting 8 mil + ppv's for the Baldomir fight.

cuz hes a lil bitch. Seriously. What a pussy. Moving up in weight to face Hall of Fame fighters?? What a bitch.

Williams will beat Margarito....but Floyd could handle both of them in the same got damn night....yall are funny if you thank either one of them could come close to touchin Floyd....

Reason #1 would be that it's his mandatory fight. Reason #2 would be that it's a better and more credible fight than Clottey, because Williams is ranked higher and is better known after back to back televised fights on HBO. He's also been calling Margarito out for a long time. So we have a better fight available, you try to excuse him not taking it by saying "Floyd says it does him no good" and then go on to justify a fight with a lesser fighter who does him no good in Floyd's eyes either. And the Clottey fight isn't signed, another instance of ignorace you tired to pass off as fact earlier. Williams is screaming for the fight, he's the #1 contender for the WBO title, and it's a very interesting fight for boxing fans everywhere. Just typical you make an excuse for why it shouldn't happen. You should really go into comedy. :rolleyes: it definitely should happen, Willaims versus margarito would be FOTY candidate IMO if both of these guys' chins hold up. the only obstacel i see, unless margarito or arum refuse which i doubt, is that Williams might ask for a lot of money because the offer to floyd has everyone thinking they can ask for huge money to fight margarito. but we all know these other guys are no #4# #1 floyd mayweather and dont have that option, thay need to just take the fight if they feel they can use him as a stepping stone for bigger fights.

Floyd MIGHT walk away from the Baldomir fight with $8M. Or he MIGHT walk away with less, who knows? I have no problem with him fighting Baldomir, although he should have already done it earlier this year. I've said why Margarito has no reason to fight Williams at least three times in this thread. You replied to it directly once, so I know you read it. Margarito is moving on, he's fighting Clottey, more than likely. It's not as though he's sitting around until a Floyd fight opens up. What should he do to move on? LOL It looks like he's fighting Clottey on the Cotto card in Dec. Clottey is highly ranked at welter, so it's a good fight for him. Not as good as a Williams fight, but hey, Floyd said Williams is nothing and Margarito beating Williams means nothing and he still won't fight him, so why risk a fight with a nearly unknown freak of a welter when it gains you absolutley nothing? Reason #1 would be that it's his mandatory fight. Reason #2 would be that it's a better and more credible fight than Clottey, because Williams is ranked higher and is better known after back to back televised fights on HBO. He's also been calling Margarito out for a long time. So we have a better fight available, you try to excuse him not taking it by saying "Floyd says it does him no good" and then go on to justify a fight with a lesser fighter who does him no good in Floyd's eyes either. And the Clottey fight isn't signed, another instance of ignorace you tired to pass off as fact earlier. Williams is screaming for the fight, he's the #1 contender for the WBO title, and it's a very interesting fight for boxing fans everywhere. Just typical you make an excuse for why it shouldn't happen. You should really go into comedy. :rolleyes:

More spinning and even more ironic (and hilarious) ALL speculation. The estimates in that ESPN article trumps you biased and ignorant guesswork. You just can't accept that Margarito needs to get on with his career and look to improve his resume. That's just further proof your only reason to rant in these threads is because of your agenda. Floyd will almost certianly fight Oscar early next year. The fact you just went to such lengths to scramble and say you're not sure it would be an 8 Million dollar fight for Floyd and you don't think it will do 1 Million PPV buys speaks for itself. Floyd's walking away from the Baldomir fight with as much money as he would have agaisnt Margarito and that prospect infuriates you. You can't bring yourself to accpet the fact that Margarito needs to move on and start beefing up his resume, and you have no answer as to why he shouldn't fight Paul Williams. You couldn't be anymore see through with what motivates your ignornace. Floyd MIGHT walk away from the Baldomir fight with $8M. Or he MIGHT walk away with less, who knows? I have no problem with him fighting Baldomir, although he should have already done it earlier this year. I've said why Margarito has no reason to fight Williams at least three times in this thread. You replied to it directly once, so I know you read it. Margarito is moving on, he's fighting Clottey, more than likely. It's not as though he's sitting around until a Floyd fight opens up. What should he do to move on? LOL It looks like he's fighting Clottey on the Cotto card in Dec. Clottey is highly ranked at welter, so it's a good fight for him. Not as good as a Williams fight, but hey, Floyd said Williams is nothing and Margarito beating Williams means nothing and he still won't fight him, so why risk a fight with a nearly unknown freak of a welter when it gains you absolutley nothing?

Right. There is no guarantee. IF the fight does well enough, then Floyd MIGHT make $8M. And that's doubtful. The fight would have to do better gate and PPV than Judah-Mayweather. I don't really see that, but it's possible if it's promoted right. Either way, he stands to make more by fighting Margarito in his next fight, because that PPV will likely do better than a Baldomir PPV, and will CERTAINLY do a better live gate in Vegas, and from the sound of it, Margarito is willing to take less than Baldomir is reportedly making, just to make the fight happen. We'll see, Arum will be waiting to make an offer after November, I'm sure. :) More spinning and even more ironic (and hilarious) ALL speculation. The estimates in that ESPN article trumps you biased and ignorant guesswork. You just can't accept that Margarito needs to get on with his career and look to improve his resume. That's just further proof your only reason to rant in these threads is because of your agenda. Floyd will almost certianly fight Oscar early next year. The fact you just went to such lengths to scramble and say you're not sure it would be an 8 Million dollar fight for Floyd and you don't think it will do 1 Million PPV buys speaks for itself. Floyd's walking away from the Baldomir fight with as much money as he would have agaisnt Margarito and that prospect infuriates you. You can't bring yourself to accpet the fact that Margarito needs to move on and start beefing up his resume, and you have no answer as to why he shouldn't fight Paul Williams. You couldn't be anymore see through with what motivates your ignornace.

So you go from hanging dependatly off the 8 Million dollar figure, to clinging to the word garuntee. Bottom line is that Floyd walks away from this fight with at least 8 Million. And at that point, you'll look like an even bigger ass than you do now with all the crying you've done over that specific dollar figure for the last three months. Not that that changes the fact you still can't grasp that Margarito needs to be looking at what fights are available to him outside of Floyd and make decisions that will improve his resume from this point on. If he was anything like you, he'd just sit idle and cry about how hard he tried to fight Floyd. Once again, Williams is the best fight out there for him, and it's ready to be made. Right. There is no guarantee. IF the fight does well enough, then Floyd MIGHT make $8M. And that's doubtful. The fight would have to do better gate and PPV than Judah-Mayweather. I don't really see that, but it's possible if it's promoted right. Either way, he stands to make more by fighting Margarito in his next fight, because that PPV will likely do better than a Baldomir PPV, and will CERTAINLY do a better live gate in Vegas, and from the sound of it, Margarito is willing to take less than Baldomir is reportedly making, just to make the fight happen. We'll see, Arum will be waiting to make an offer after November, I'm sure. :)

Gee, sure thing, pal. :) Where- BT.com, by Greg "dwarf kissass" Leon When- 8-16-06 GL: Bob Arum's $8M offer for Mayweather to fight Antonio Margarito has been well documented. Can you tell us why you believe Baldomir is a more meaningful fight and will Mayweather make more than $8M according to the terms of your deal? Dan Goossen: "First off, fights aren't made because of the money that's offered. Floyd is obviously on a level where he can make that kind of money fighting a lot of different fighters, including Baldomir. The key to Floyd Mayweather and his fights is what he's always stood for and said, that he wants the highest profile fights out there. I believe that when everything is said and done, this is a fight that hits that expectation. It is already creating a buzz and just within a short time frame of it being announced there is much anticipation within the boxing world. It's not about money here, although its there, this is about being the best and Baldomir brings a challenge and more importantly, brings a risk to Floyd. Sycuan believes Floyd has made a mistake taking on the real Cinderella Man. Baldomir has earned his stripes inside the ring, not based on what his promoter says for him outside of the ring, but from beating 2 former champions back-to-back. From that end of it, there is no bigger challenge at welterweight for Floyd and that includes Shane Mosley. Baldomir defeated Zab Judah and manhandled Arturo Gatti to get here. Some were talking about Shane and Margarito for Floyd, but I believe neither had done anything recently to have earned it. What the fight fans would like to see, and us, is for Margarito and Shane to duel it out early next year to try to earn the right to fight Floyd. That's who Shane should be fighting. I believe the winner of that fight becomes a future possible opponent for Floyd." Now, Goosen is one slick cat, as you'll notice. The question was put to him directly, and he could never just come out and guarantee that Floyd will make $8M. He says "It's not about the money..." and "Floyd CAN make that kind of money..." But he never says "Yes, Floyd IS making that kind of money." :) You ask, and you receive, my son. :) So you go from hanging dependatly off the 8 Million dollar figure, to clinging to the word garuntee. Bottom line is that Floyd walks away from this fight with at least 8 Million. And at that point, you'll look like an even bigger ass than you do now with all the crying you've done over that specific dollar figure for the last three months. Not that that changes the fact you still can't grasp that Margarito needs to be looking at what fights are available to him outside of Floyd and make decisions that will improve his resume from this point on. If he was anything like you, he'd just sit idle and cry about how hard he tried to fight Floyd. Once again, Williams is the best fight out there for him, and it's ready to be made.

How's about you go ahead and post where and when this question was put to Goosen? :rolleyes: Gee, sure thing, pal. :) Where- BT.com, by Greg "dwarf kissass" Leon When- 8-16-06 GL: Bob Arum's $8M offer for Mayweather to fight Antonio Margarito has been well documented. Can you tell us why you believe Baldomir is a more meaningful fight and will Mayweather make more than $8M according to the terms of your deal? Dan Goossen: "First off, fights aren't made because of the money that's offered. Floyd is obviously on a level where he can make that kind of money fighting a lot of different fighters, including Baldomir. The key to Floyd Mayweather and his fights is what he's always stood for and said, that he wants the highest profile fights out there. I believe that when everything is said and done, this is a fight that hits that expectation. It is already creating a buzz and just within a short time frame of it being announced there is much anticipation within the boxing world. It's not about money here, although its there, this is about being the best and Baldomir brings a challenge and more importantly, brings a risk to Floyd. Sycuan believes Floyd has made a mistake taking on the real Cinderella Man. Baldomir has earned his stripes inside the ring, not based on what his promoter says for him outside of the ring, but from beating 2 former champions back-to-back. From that end of it, there is no bigger challenge at welterweight for Floyd and that includes Shane Mosley. Baldomir defeated Zab Judah and manhandled Arturo Gatti to get here. Some were talking about Shane and Margarito for Floyd, but I believe neither had done anything recently to have earned it. What the fight fans would like to see, and us, is for Margarito and Shane to duel it out early next year to try to earn the right to fight Floyd. That's who Shane should be fighting. I believe the winner of that fight becomes a future possible opponent for Floyd." Now, Goosen is one slick cat, as you'll notice. The question was put to him directly, and he could never just come out and guarantee that Floyd will make $8M. He says "It's not about the money..." and "Floyd CAN make that kind of money..." But he never says "Yes, Floyd IS making that kind of money." :) You ask, and you receive, my son. :)

Why would Mayweather throw anything in Arum's face? If you read his interviews, he remains respectfull towards Arum and any other promoter he talks about. OK, tony's face.... he's not too respectful towards him..

Unless you see a contract, you have no idea what is and isn't true. Promoters and fighters constnatly lie about purses and splits. Why would Mayweather throw anything in Arum's face? If you read his interviews, he remains respectfull towards Arum and any other promoter he talks about. The reason he dumped Arum in the first place was because Delahoya would never fight in another one of Arum's promotions again. I have no doubt the info will be released after the fight's over and with the PPV incentives it will easilly be at least 8 Million.

Unless you see a contract, you have no idea what is and isn't true. Promoters and fighters constnatly lie about purses and splits.[/QUOTE true, but then why arent they coming out and saying it? if you were floyd and you were gonna make than $8 mil, wouldnt you throw that in arum's face?

sometimes its first hand, when the promoters or the fighters themselves come right out and say it... Exactly. And Leon asked him, and he just wouldn't say. Why would he dodge a question like that if he was guaranteeing Floyd $8M? I think it's safe to assume that while Floyd MAY make $8M is the PPV sells well enough, he is by no means guaranteed $8M by Goosen for this fight. But like I said before, I have no problem with him fighting Baldomir, he just should have done it before the Judah fight. And if Floyd doesn't fight DLH, then Margarito will still be the biggest fight out there for him at the beginning of '07.

sometimes its first hand, when the promoters or the fighters themselves come right out and say it... Unless you see a contract, you have no idea what is and isn't true. Promoters and fighters constnatly lie about purses and splits.

i didnt think tony/pbf could pay $8 mil, so i certainly dont think pbf/baldy will do it... i think pbf/tony would sell more PPV's and tix

Goosen was asked point blank if Floyd was being guaranteed $8M for this fight, and could not simply say "Yes, absolutely." He dodged the issue and would never say one way or the other. Dan Rafael is not lying, because he doesn't know anything. He said "industry sources believe." LOL That's a joke. That's another way of saying that some unnamed industry sources are speculating that Floyd will make $8M for the Baldomir fight. And you're totally wrong. Usually exact numbers are quoted at some point by the promoters or the managers or the fighters. "He's making $5M guaranteed." "He's making only $250,000." etc. There is nothing like that with this fight. Goosen is a slick dude, and he knows the contract will at some point have to be filed with the commission and that Arum is going to be all over it (they two hate each other) and so he's being careful not to lie, but careful not to piss off Floyd by explaining he's not guaranteed $8M. That's my take on it. If he was guaranteed $8M, wouldn't Goosen be proud to brag about it? After all, that's an accomplishment by any promoter, to have Baldomir making a reported $1.5M and Floyd a $8M guarantee, for a fight that may or may not do that well on PPV. Goosen won't say, so that's a little suspicious to me. More spinning, and it's easy to see that you cling so desperatly to that 8 Million dollar offer from Arum as a back bone to everything you think justifies your crying. How's about you go ahead and post where and when this question was put to Goosen? The bottom line is that it stands to reason with the incentives Floyd is making the same money he would have made fighting Margarito, and that infuriates you becuase it pulls out the only leg your crying had to stand on. But as you continue to spin spin away desperate to change the topic, I'll once again remind you that Margarito is NOT fighting Floyd anytime sooon, and all of your crying about it isn't going to change the fact he should be looking to take the best fights out there possible The fact tht you can't move on to think about who he should be fighting next only underlines how fixated you are on the one topic that's brought you back week after week to cry about. Let it go, and move on. :rolleyes:

It's always 2nd hand info. You've never seen a contract in your life. That estimate in this article http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2549586 are typical of what's discussed before a fight. The fight will do moderate PPV sales, and I think it easilly stands to reason Floyd will make in the neighbourhood of 8 Million. sometimes its first hand, when the promoters or the fighters themselves come right out and say it...

That ESPN link was from Dan Rafael. Sure it's possible it's all made up, but he's generally a credible source. No one's releasing any details about anything for any fight, but it's safe to say those indication in that article are pointing to Floyd getting in and around 8 Million for the Baldomir fight. Goosen was asked point blank if Floyd was being guaranteed $8M for this fight, and could not simply say "Yes, absolutely." He dodged the issue and would never say one way or the other. Dan Rafael is not lying, because he doesn't know anything. He said "industry sources believe." LOL That's a joke. That's another way of saying that some unnamed industry sources are speculating that Floyd will make $8M for the Baldomir fight. And you're totally wrong. Usually exact numbers are quoted at some point by the promoters or the managers or the fighters. "He's making $5M guaranteed." "He's making only $250,000." etc. There is nothing like that with this fight. Goosen is a slick dude, and he knows the contract will at some point have to be filed with the commission and that Arum is going to be all over it (they two hate each other) and so he's being careful not to lie, but careful not to piss off Floyd by explaining he's not guaranteed $8M. That's my take on it. If he was guaranteed $8M, wouldn't Goosen be proud to brag about it? After all, that's an accomplishment by any promoter, to have Baldomir making a reported $1.5M and Floyd a $8M guarantee, for a fight that may or may not do that well on PPV. Goosen won't say, so that's a little suspicious to me.

there have been many times where it was stated how much fighters would make(or potentially make) on fights, but they havent done for floyd/baldy... at least not that i've seen yet.. It's always 2nd hand info. You've never seen a contract in your life. That estimate in this article http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2549586 are typical of what's discussed before a fight. The fight will do moderate PPV sales, and I think it easilly stands to reason Floyd will make in the neighbourhood of 8 Million.