James toney sparring

You don't win a fight by scoring clean or aesthetically pleasing punches, you win it by imposing your will on your opponent. If you land a glancing, sloppy blow that sends your opponent reeling, it should count more than a picture perfect right hand counter that has nil effect. Whoever lands the most effective punches should win the round. Where those punches hit or how they hit is inconsequential. What matters is that they have a visible effect on the opponent upon impact. This is how professional boxing is scored and why knockdowns carry so much weight in that scoring. The guy who made his opponent's head snap back with every blow and had his opponent staggering all over the ring should win the fight, not the feather fisted fancy dan who puts on a magic show. I don't care if your a boxer, swarmer, slugger, dancer, etc. If you land the more effective punches (effective as in the sense that they clearly have more of an effect on the opponent, not "effective" as in whatever arbitrary sense you are using the word) you win the round. Toney won some rounds on my card early on but he faded and Rahman took over. Overall, Rahman won more rounds than Toney. It was close, but Rahman was the definite winner of that fight. I am willing to watch it again and I'll see if a second viewing will change my mind but the way I remember it, I was pissed when the draw was announced and had Rahman ahead by two rounds or so. It's appalling to me that some of you seem to think that Toneys power punches had 0 effect on Rahman. Hitting your opponent (or grazing) with a mediocre double jab and then moving him into the ropes with punches that land on his back is not "imposing your will". If Toneys power shots had 0 effect on Rahman then Rahman wouldn't have changed his strategy halfway through the fight. He would have kept trying to maul Toney, but he didn't do that the whole time...much like he was very reluctant to throw his right hand in the later portion of the fight. Why was this you ask? Answer ------------------------> He was tired of eating right hand counters from Toney. That's why he backed off and used the double/triple jab to keep the range to his advantage. Even so, the scoring of that fight really cannot be THAT hard to comprehend. People who had it a draw or had it for Toney (I had scored it even) scored 6-7 rounds for Toney landing MANY solid right hand counters, as well as jabbing well to the body and in between Rocks guard. The rounds scored for Rahman were rounds where Rock took advantage of Toneys poor shape and he doubled and tripled the jab effectively, banging away on Toney when he wouldn't let his hands go. It's not an insane decision either way you slice it.

Wrong forum. Try to calm down, and leave your lies and fantacies in here: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82630

Scap you can make up all the homo fantacies you want, but keep it in the Thunder dome. I know it still stings that your "Hopkins isn't s great fighter" non sense was exposed, but all this dwelling and obsessing on me isn't going to make you feel any better. Only your medication will. I have taken this way to far...your right-I promised never to discuss your body and I have have not lived up to that promise. My word is obviously not too strong with you right now and I understand that. Hey...you gotta be feeling pretty good right now... 1) you made me look like a dipshit when conversing about Nard and... 2) You got to squat on my spear... There isnt another member hear that can say that.

I love it when you call me Arnie...talk about stirring up old memories between us...man that makes me feel good. Remember when I put my match in your gas tank, I thought your neighbors were gonna call the fucking cops...then you calmed me down by saying people in government housing rarely call the cops...you can be one reassuring son of a gun when you are all filled up. Call me. Scap you can make up all the homo fantacies you want, but keep it in the Thunder dome. I know it still stings that your "Hopkins isn't s great fighter" non sense was exposed, but all this dwelling and obsessing on me isn't going to make you feel any better. Only your medication will.

Once again, your gay stalking is even more sad when you resort to bringing it into the boxing forum. Not much else to talk about in here since Hopkins went out on top hey Arnie? :D I love it when you call me Arnie...talk about stirring up old memories between us...man that makes me feel good. Remember when I put my match in your gas tank, I thought your neighbors were gonna call the fucking cops...then you calmed me down by saying people in government housing rarely call the cops...you can be one reassuring son of a gun when you are all filled up. Call me.

This is much appreciated-give me your free dates and I can shcedule my trips accordingly-you tight lil bitch. Be sweat too me people are gonna start thnking we are fighting and then you know what will happen...they will move in on my turf...you wanna crush me...go ahead and let that happen. Remember what i said at the airport. Once again, your gay stalking is even more sad when you resort to bringing it into the boxing forum. Not much else to talk about in here since Hopkins went out on top hey Arnie? :D

Following me around in NSB now? Congrats on having a gay day today tiger. This is much appreciated-give me your free dates and I can shcedule my trips accordingly-you tight lil bitch. Be sweat too me people are gonna start thnking we are fighting and then you know what will happen...they will move in on my turf...you wanna crush me...go ahead and let that happen. Remember what i said at the airport.

You little bitch this is good work, your nasty girl. Following me around in NSB now? Congrats on having a gay day today tiger.

There's way too many uneducated people who look at that Rahman fight like it was a shut out. Toney outlanded Rahman significantly in power punches. All Rahman did was jab, move away from Toney, clinch, and hit him on the kidneys. All that talk about how he was the real Heavyweight and was going to use his strength was a joke, because he got in the rign, refused to throw a right hand (his big power punch) and didn't come forward. He did throw a TON of jabs and get credit for outhusseling James who was in poor shape, but I had it even. Toney won rounds landed the cleaner harder shots. You little bitch this is good work, your nasty girl.

Well obviously he has slipped, but he's still competitive...unlike Roy. In fact both Hopkins and Toney can still fight. The fact that he was in line to win a majority decision before the 12th round is crazy enough. Unlike you I'm just not critical of an out of shape 37 year old ex-middleweight performing like that...I'm amazed. It really speaks worse about the heavyweight division than it does about Toney. Not everyone is Bernard Hopkins and shows up tip-top for every fight. He could come in at 250 and I'll still cheer for him. Shit Toney could look like Evander Holyfield right now but he doesn't...that's impressive. I thought Toney would decision Rahman I believe. I thought he was winning 6-5 going into the last round and I thought Rahman evened it up at the end of the night. I preferred the work Toney did (although he looked sloppy sometimes) to the work Rahman did however. There's way too many uneducated people who look at that Rahman fight like it was a shut out. Toney outlanded Rahman significantly in power punches. All Rahman did was jab, move away from Toney, clinch, and hit him on the kidneys. All that talk about how he was the real Heavyweight and was going to use his strength was a joke, because he got in the rign, refused to throw a right hand (his big power punch) and didn't come forward. He did throw a TON of jabs and get credit for outhusseling James who was in poor shape, but I had it even. Toney won rounds landed the cleaner harder shots.

You don't win a fight by scoring clean or aesthetically pleasing punches, you win it by imposing your will on your opponent. If you land a glancing, sloppy blow that sends your opponent reeling, it should count more than a picture perfect right hand counter that has nil effect. Whoever lands the most effective punches should win the round. Where those punches hit or how they hit is inconsequential. What matters is that they have a visible effect on the opponent upon impact. This is how professional boxing is scored and why knockdowns carry so much weight in that scoring. The guy who made his opponent's head snap back with every blow and had his opponent staggering all over the ring should win the fight, not the feather fisted fancy dan who puts on a magic show. I don't care if your a boxer, swarmer, slugger, dancer, etc. If you land the more effective punches (effective as in the sense that they clearly have more of an effect on the opponent, not "effective" as in whatever arbitrary sense you are using the word) you win the round. Toney won some rounds on my card early on but he faded and Rahman took over. Overall, Rahman won more rounds than Toney. It was close, but Rahman was the definite winner of that fight. I am willing to watch it again and I'll see if a second viewing will change my mind but the way I remember it, I was pissed when the draw was announced and had Rahman ahead by two rounds or so.

That's fine I guess...but I would be very displeased with Roy if he showed up out of shape. You seem very lax on Toney but why should I care what you think of his body. If you're ok with that, that's you. Everyone's different.

I never said they weren't of any meaning. Just said it didn't add up to what Rahman did in my eyes. Compubox numbers are not the end-all of a fight. Exactly what was your prediction before the fight? Hops is done, RJJ might as well be, and Toney is right around the corner. Surely you see he is not what he once was. Well obviously he has slipped, but he's still competitive...unlike Roy. In fact both Hopkins and Toney can still fight. The fact that he was in line to win a majority decision before the 12th round is crazy enough. Unlike you I'm just not critical of an out of shape 37 year old ex-middleweight performing like that...I'm amazed. It really speaks worse about the heavyweight division than it does about Toney. Not everyone is Bernard Hopkins and shows up tip-top for every fight. He could come in at 250 and I'll still cheer for him. Shit Toney could look like Evander Holyfield right now but he doesn't...that's impressive. I thought Toney would decision Rahman I believe. I thought he was winning 6-5 going into the last round and I thought Rahman evened it up at the end of the night. I preferred the work Toney did (although he looked sloppy sometimes) to the work Rahman did however.

I never said they weren't of any meaning. Just said it didn't add up to what Rahman did in my eyes. Compubox numbers are not the end-all of a fight. Exactly what was your prediction before the fight? Hops is done, RJJ might as well be, and Toney is right around the corner. Surely you see he is not what he once was.

And those shots didn't do anything. Rahman simply outworked Toney. The prettiness of the punches landed is not what scores a fight. You are kidding yourself about Toney. He is not near what he used to be, and his time is about up. Okay excuse me while I go jump on another fighters nuts... ^^^seems like this is the response you are looking for. I'll never stop being a fan, so you telling me that I'm kidding myself is about as dumb as you saying his 215 power punches didn't do or mean anything. Toney wasn't throwing "pretty punches", he was throwing power shots...and they landed flush on Rahmans face and body. That's what I score...I don't score ineffective aggressiveness like you seem to. I bet you had Jirov beating Toney too didn't you Harold? :rolleyes: Just because fighter "A" cannot hurt fighter "B" with his power shots doesn't mean that we don't score them as effective, clean power shots accordingly.

Faces do not judge fights. Even so, his face was messed up but he was never hurt. Most fans agree Toney lost if anyone did. Either way, since Toney showed up out of shape and did not win, he failed to do what many said he would do easily: UD or TKO Rahman.

And those shots didn't do anything. Rahman simply outworked Toney. The prettiness of the punches landed is not what scores a fight. You are kidding yourself about Toney. He is not near what he used to be, and his time is about up. didnt you see rahmans face and lip he definately was in wort shape then toney

The only work Rahaman got in was jabbing, hitting Toney in the back, and the occassional small right hand inside. Toney landed 215 power shots on this fool. And those shots didn't do anything. Rahman simply outworked Toney. The prettiness of the punches landed is not what scores a fight. You are kidding yourself about Toney. He is not near what he used to be, and his time is about up.

it was a long time ago. toney is way fatter than that now. Thanks, I guess the fight will be better then, Because an otta shape Toney makes for a closer fight. An In shape toney would put on a clinic against peter

How recent is this, becasue i saw Toney On Wed night fights last week, i was very disappointed, because he looked very very fat and outta shape. but it could have just been the suit. atleast i hope it is. I really hope Toney Takes Peter serious, I'd like to see Toney on Top of the HW Div, he has all the Tools to do it. it was a long time ago. toney is way fatter than that now.