Shut up about contract offers...

what about me :D yeah you too man mas eazy mas

Finally some common sense. Was afraid I was the only one. what about me :D

I'm not saying promoters are trustworthy, I expect most are very untrustworthy. But both promoters and boxers are going to act in their own self-interest. You should at least listen to both sides. And if someone doesn't contradict what the other guy is saying that says something too. Perhaps but just because they don't contradict what was said doesn't mean it is so. If you say I started the Chicago Fires and I don't deny it, that doesn't mean I did it. Even if I agree and say that I did it, doesn't make it true. Boxers don't always respond directly to things written about them online. And Mayweather himself has said he doesn't discuss business online. If Mayweather has to fight on November 4, which he himself has said will be his next fight, then we can assume his opponent will be announced within 2-3 more weeks. If he signs to fight someone better than Margarito, the critics can say nothing. If it is someone worse, they will have an argument.

I'm not saying promoters are trustworthy, I expect most are very untrustworthy. But both promoters and boxers are going to act in their own self-interest. You should at least listen to both sides. And if someone doesn't contradict what the other guy is saying that says something too.

I never said anything about any boxer in this thread. The argument hear is you should never believe anything a promoter says, which makes no sense. Promoters can lie and so can boxers. If a promoter is lying than let the other party give his version. It's common sense.

This promoter said he'd pay Boxer A 5 million to fight Boxer B. blah blah blah. Enough. Unless someone has the actual documents scanned and shown, we do not really know the particulars of any of these contracts, ever. It is all from 2nd hand sources. We read it on these sites from reporters who talk to promoters, managers, etc. All of these people are very capable of lying, or at least leaving out information. Take Winky Wright vs Margarito. Winky was supposedly offered 4 million. But, we don't know if that means 4 million split between the two or 4 million for Wright. People automatically assume it means 4 million for Wright. Say it does. We don't know if Arum wanted ridiculous options on Wright, who clearly has no interest in signing with promoters since he has started his own promotion. Or he might not have offered any live gate, or there might have been a rematch clause for Margarito even though Winky would clearly be the favored fighter. This is a game promoters play. They make offers to fighters all the time that they know the fighters will refuse. Like when Jones and Hopkins were offered an insulting 1 million split supposedly. Or when Toney was supposedly offered just 1.5 million to fight Wladimir. Assuming those offers are true, those offers are made so promoters can say that the fighters turned them down. Arum's plan with Margarito is simple. He wants to build him up as this guy everyone is ducking. This way he can keep feeding bums like Gomez and Lujan to Margarito and can just say "everyone is ducking him." And most of the fans, too blind to see through the smoke screen, believe the hype. But this is not just with Margarito. This kind of thing happens all the time in boxing. Spinks obviously didn't really want to fight Zab Judah ever. But Judah took very low money, he called Spinks' and Kings bluff to get those fights made. But I got off topic a little. The point is unless we have the actual contracts in our hands or scanned into the computer for us to read, we really do not know what the terms are. I don't think the vast majority of fighters sit around ducking each other. I don't think Margarito is scared to fight people, but at the same time I don't think anybody is scared to fight him. Margarito is not being ducked, he is being protected. Arum is just using an old trick to make it look like Margarito is being ducked. Totally agree. Promoters can say whatever they want and they don't really have to back it up.Reputations are made in the ring not from claiming people are ducking you.

None of these complainers can get around the fact that Floyd is under contract to fight on his scheduled Nov. 4th date on HBO. It's been set for months, and there's every indication pointing to the fact that Arum made this offer only because he knew it couldn't feisably be accepted. Floyd would be fighting without his corner, and would be breaking his contract with HBO to fight on a rival PPV. Then there's the matter of Arum offering Floyd more money than the fight's worth. Floyd and Gatti split 6 Million between them with Gatti's pulling power and they fought in a sold out Gatti frenzied Atlantic City. Yet Floyd's supposed to get EIGHT Million to himeself to fight Margarito? That REEKS of Bull shit. Once again, if Margarito was as desperate for this fight as some of these losers on line are desperate to cry about bull shit, he'd be SCREAMING that he'll fight Floyd on Nov. 4th. Considering how Floyd would be taking 110% of the purse in October, Margarito would be receiving the same minimal payday in Oct or Nov. None of it makes any sense, and the only ones who want to go on and on about it are the same ones who clearly have agendas. Finally some common sense. Was afraid I was the only one.

None of these complainers can get around the fact that Floyd is under contract to fight on his scheduled Nov. 4th date on HBO. It's been set for months, and there's every indication pointing to the fact that Arum made this offer only because he knew it couldn't feisably be accepted. Floyd would be fighting without his corner, and would be breaking his contract with HBO to fight on a rival PPV. Then there's the matter of Arum offering Floyd more money than the fight's worth. Floyd and Gatti split 6 Million between them with Gatti's pulling power and they fought in a sold out Gatti frenzied Atlantic City. Yet Floyd's supposed to get EIGHT Million to himeself to fight Margarito? That REEKS of Bull shit. Once again, if Margarito was as desperate for this fight as some of these losers on line are desperate to cry about bull shit, he'd be SCREAMING that he'll fight Floyd on Nov. 4th. Considering how Floyd would be taking 110% of the purse in October, Margarito would be receiving the same minimal payday in Oct or Nov. None of it makes any sense, and the only ones who want to go on and on about it are the same ones who clearly have agendas.

these are just horrible arguments you two. the fact remains we haven't seen contracts so we don't know. Bob Arum has zero credibility as far as I'm concerned. I can't believe you people don't see through it. Remember, Mayweather hasn't turned down a fight with Margarito. He just so far has not agreed to the fight, it's not the same thing. He's obviously just waiting to see what is the best fight he can get next. Spinks is in the picture now, the winner of Mosley-Vargas is a definite possibility. Winky Wright is a possibility (although I doubt it). All four of those are much bigger names and much better opponents than Margarito. All this criticism for Mayweather. How about this on Margarito? Why the hell has he not tried to get ranked? He's holding the least of the titles, not ranked in any of the other weight classes at all. His promoter is Bob Arum who has the IBF and WBC in his pocket easily. How come Arum doesn't get him ranked? Nobody ever wants to comment on this. Because they know they're full of shit. Fighters who really want to get big fights go and get ranked. And its not about do the belts mean anything or not, fuck the belts, it is a way to try forcing fights to get made. Mayweather just gave up the IBF belt cause he didn't want to fight fucking Mark Suarez, who does not, by any stretch, deserve a shot in the first place. If he were looking to fight some bum next, he'd have been all over that and just said "well, he's my mandatory." Why doesn't Margarito try getting ranked? Try getting a title? Truth is it is Arum who doesn't want Margarito fighting Mayweather. He's banking on getting a match with the Gatti-Baldomir winner. Margarito could probably beat either of them. And Gatti would be a big fight. Also October 7th is a showtime date, so Arum knows Mayweather isn't fighting on there. So it'd have to be a shitty ass Top Rank PPV, maybe an HBO PPV. But right there you're already giving up a large pool of potential buyers who would just opt for the free Showtime fight. Arum may be fooling you marks, but the wool hasn't been pulled over my eyes.

If someone is making you look bad by lying then all they have to do to correct is give their side of the story. It doesn't have to be on the internet they can give a press conference or mention it in an interview. Exactly and both Mayweather nor Winky have denied any of the claims Arum has told the media, and Arum himself has said countless times Mayweather is scared to fight Margarito along with Winky and others. None of these fighters have attacked Arum through the media accusing Arum of false rumors.

If someone is making you look bad by lying then all they have to do to correct it is give their side of the story. It doesn't have to be on the internet they can give a press conference or mention it in an interview.

To build up a fighter based on lies. Did when everyone ducked from Margarito? only in 2006 when he became famous for calling out Mayweather. Here is something about promotor people call Don King a devil but what about Bob Arum, he just like don King but work differently. Why should Arum give Mayweather 8mil and how to make it worth the match 8mil is by building up a hype. Arum says that Mayweather is ducking Margarito. Margarito is getting all they spotlight and is giving him a bum that he could KO him in 10sec so people would say yes this guy is a monster, hooo look at him but actully maybe he is a B-Level fighter. Its easier for Arum to make a fight with Mayweather beacause he promotes both of them and get more money for himself then sharing it with another promoter. If Mayweather fought Margarito about two moneth after Zab fight there wont be much spotlight and people will consider that Mayweather is fighting just another normal fighter even though Margarito is capable of winning mayweather. If I was Arum I would try to make the fight 8mil by building up the hype so it will be more exciting. When Mayweather accepte to fight Margarito people will say at last this scared guy is going o fight him he was ducking for so long now is our chance to watch him get beaten. Everybody is waiting for Mayweather first loss and building that type of hype could bring an income more the 8mil for Arum.

yeah but a lot of fighters dont want to discuss over the internet. its a tactic by promoters to try making their fighter look good and the other fighter look bad. only blind fools can't see this.

Both sides can lie, and both sides can give their side of the story. If the issue is options, or if the quoted figure is going to be split two ways, or whatever, then the other party can just come out and say so.

You know the same can be said about Mayweather or Pacquiao v. Morales where we havn't even seen the contract. That is 100% correct, the same can be said. We don't know. That's my whole point. People argue contracts but the truth is we really don't know because we haven't seen the contracts.

And you clearly didn't read my post, fool. Promoters lie. Bob Arum said? Fuck Bob Arum, he is a LIAR. He is a CHEAT. Did Bob Arum show contracts? Did you read them in full detail? I already know you didn't, since you couldn't even read my post. You know the same can be said about Mayweather or Pacquiao v. Morales where we havn't even seen the contract.

You clearly haven't seen the Arum iterviews or the video interview. Mayweather was supposed to get 8 million dollars plus ppv money with no obtions at all, same with Winky 4 million with no options. Mayweather is scared to fight Margarito, while it can be said Winky is just plain greedy and wants Mayweather type of money yet hes never made more then 4 million. These guys didn't even ask to look at a contract, why? Because no matter if the contract favored them -which is did- they still have no intentions of fighting Margarito. Is he being ducked? I belive so. You got both Mayweather and Winky asking for big money fights yet, here comes Margarito offering them millions and they turn the money away, doesn't make sense, since they have been calling for big money fights. And we have never heard from either Winky or Mayweather that the contract was unfair, cause as i said, they didn't even think twice of taking the Margarito fight. And you clearly didn't read my post, fool. Promoters lie. Bob Arum said? Fuck Bob Arum, he is a LIAR. He is a CHEAT. Did Bob Arum show contracts? Did you read them in full detail? I already know you didn't, since you couldn't even read my post.

This promoter said he'd pay Boxer A 5 million to fight Boxer B. blah blah blah. Enough. Unless someone has the actual documents scanned and shown, we do not really know the particulars of any of these contracts, ever. It is all from 2nd hand sources. We read it on these sites from reporters who talk to promoters, managers, etc. All of these people are very capable of lying, or at least leaving out information. Take Winky Wright vs Margarito. Winky was supposedly offered 4 million. But, we don't know if that means 4 million split between the two or 4 million for Wright. People automatically assume it means 4 million for Wright. Say it does. We don't know if Arum wanted ridiculous options on Wright, who clearly has no interest in signing with promoters since he has started his own promotion. Or he might not have offered any live gate, or there might have been a rematch clause for Margarito even though Winky would clearly be the favored fighter. This is a game promoters play. They make offers to fighters all the time that they know the fighters will refuse. Like when Jones and Hopkins were offered an insulting 1 million split supposedly. Or when Toney was supposedly offered just 1.5 million to fight Wladimir. Assuming those offers are true, those offers are made so promoters can say that the fighters turned them down. Arum's plan with Margarito is simple. He wants to build him up as this guy everyone is ducking. This way he can keep feeding bums like Gomez and Lujan to Margarito and can just say "everyone is ducking him." And most of the fans, too blind to see through the smoke screen, believe the hype. But this is not just with Margarito. This kind of thing happens all the time in boxing. Spinks obviously didn't really want to fight Zab Judah ever. But Judah took very low money, he called Spinks' and Kings bluff to get those fights made. But I got off topic a little. The point is unless we have the actual contracts in our hands or scanned into the computer for us to read, we really do not know what the terms are. I don't think the vast majority of fighters sit around ducking each other. I don't think Margarito is scared to fight people, but at the same time I don't think anybody is scared to fight him. Margarito is not being ducked, he is being protected. Arum is just using an old trick to make it look like Margarito is being ducked. You clearly haven't seen the Arum iterviews or the video interview. Mayweather was supposed to get 8 million dollars plus ppv money with no obtions at all, same with Winky 4 million with no options. Mayweather is scared to fight Margarito, while it can be said Winky is just plain greedy and wants Mayweather type of money yet hes never made more then 4 million. These guys didn't even ask to look at a contract, why? Because no matter if the contract favored them -which is did- they still have no intentions of fighting Margarito. Is he being ducked? I belive so. You got both Mayweather and Winky asking for big money fights yet, here comes Margarito offering them millions and they turn the money away, doesn't make sense, since they have been calling for big money fights. And we have never heard from either Winky or Mayweather that the contract was unfair, cause as i said, they didn't even think twice of taking the Margarito fight.

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