Is it because he is constantly compared to Hatton? The reason I am sayin this is because everytime a pro Mayweather thread is started, the bashing starts with the UK members calling Mayweather a pu$$y and arguing about his p4p status. Why do you guys dislike him so much?
To be a fighter in the US at any weightclass, you will have to face a skilled fighter sooner or later, you couldn't have a 40-0 record without fighting more then a handful of A fighters. In the US the quality of opponents is better, making you a better fight, I think if Hatton would have faught in the US he'd have lost already, but he'd be a much better fighter. Sure there's favoritism but that's to certain fighters(Brock is one), if you're from Georgia & you fight in Florida, they're not gonna like you more cause you're from across the stateline. US fighters go to Europe & there's a good chance of getting screwed in the scorecards. Once again I'm not talking about the UK fans, you guys make alot of sense(except when it comes to Hatton), you love boxing, & you own the HW division , I just call'em like I see'em.
I'm not so sure he would have lost by now...the dude has body blows that many fighter, US or UK lack.....to be honest, he kinda reminds me of my boy Tito..he start 40 - 0 and the only reason he lost is because he went to high up in weightclass. hatton is a good fighter, not a pretty boy, but he is a good fighter...
I disagree, I think that's rather a generalisation.
Maybe if you compare US vs. UK, because there naturally won't be as many competitors in the UK (population size). But if we're talking US vs. Europe.
That's also true of Europeans coming to the US, though.
I think this arguement holds some weight if you actually view it as competitors who fight in the US versus Europe. It doesn't matter that they aren't American the fact that they fight here raises the overall talent pool of competition.
Look at the WelterWeights, which is said to have the most talent out of any other division in boxing today.
Fighers fighting in US
PBF
Antonio Margarito
Miguel Cotto
Carlos Quintana
Arturo Gatti
Baldomir
Luis Collazo
Jose L. Castillo
Diego Corrales (possibly)
Zab Juda
Demarcus Corley
Joel Julio
Shane Mosely (possibly)
Kermit Cintron
Jr. Witter
Paul Williams
I might have even missed a few
What jrWelter or welterweights fight primarily in Europe?
I would also wager that the journeymen that prospects fight is also a deeper talent pool and higher caliber than many other countries.
Look at some of the fights PROSPECTS and developing fighters have already fought.
Kermit Cintron has already faced Antonio Margarito and David Estrada in his short career. Joel Julio and Quintana have already faced off and there extremely young.
I'm not saying that Americans have the best fighters all I'm saying is that the best fighters come to America to fight. The argument could also be made that in America the talent pool of prospects is filtered out more aggressively (in general) and tested more so than in other countries i.e. UK
I don't know why so many Brits claim that PBF is a pu$$y because he didn't fight Hatton at 140 when, in fact, Hatton was the one who didn't want to fight Mayweather. You can't blame Mayweather for not fighting Ricky when Ricky was the one that did not want to fight.
Then Ricky becomes the man at 140 (by beating KT) but Floyd is still around, giving lip service. But, Ricky still did not want to fight him so Floyd had no choice but go up in weight.
Also, you cannot fault PBF for not fighting "big names" when there were no big names out there willing to fight him. Nobody at 140 wanted any bit of Floyd after he beat up on Gatti. Cotto wanted no piece of him; neither did Hatton. So, he had no choice but to move up. Sharmba was a solid fighter and a good challenge for his first 47 fight.
Anywho, PBF should be respected for making the toughest fights available to him right. With the exception of Margarito (which I think he's holding out for the Mosley if he wins against Vargas), he's fought all challengers and has never outpriced himself in a fight.
What does him fighting Mosley at this point in Mosley's career prove. Mosley is far from what he used to be. This may have been an interesting fight a few years back when Mosley was at welter, and still had his speed and movement but at this point it doesn't mean as much. When he talks about wanting to fight the winner of Mosley-Vargas, or Baldomir if he wins, further makes me feel that he wants no part of Margarito when the money is there and he will get the bigger cut. What does fighting a guy in Baldomir who has nine losses prove?
Dan Rafael is a smartass, a fatass, and just an ass in general, so I understand your discontent with him. I think we'll have to make a bet if Valuev-Brock comes off though. Valuev got gifts vs Donald and John Ruiz already (according to most who tell me) and I definitely think Brock is on Donald's level.
As for UK ppl 'hating' Mayweather...that's just too bad. Mayweather is a very good fighter. But the reason people from the UK are upset with Mayweather has a lot to do with U.S. fans constantly dissing Ricky Hatton. It's become a hate-hate relationship now where hardly anyone who is a fan of Ricky or Floyd has a good thing to say about the other fighter, aside from a backhanded compliment.
To be a fighter in the US at any weightclass, you will have to face a skilled fighter sooner or later, you couldn't have a 40-0 record without fighting more then a handful of A fighters. In the US the quality of opponents is better, making you a better fight, I think if Hatton would have faught in the US he'd have lost already, but he'd be a much better fighter. Sure there's favoritism but that's to certain fighters(Brock is one), if you're from Georgia & you fight in Florida, they're not gonna like you more cause you're from across the stateline. US fighters go to Europe & there's a good chance of getting screwed in the scorecards. Once again I'm not talking about the UK fans, you guys make alot of sense(except when it comes to Hatton), you love boxing, & you own the HW division , I just call'em like I see'em.
I don't know why so many Brits claim that PBF is a pu$$y because he didn't fight Hatton at 140 when, in fact, Hatton was the one who didn't want to fight Mayweather. You can't blame Mayweather for not fighting Ricky when Ricky was the one that did not want to fight.
Then Ricky becomes the man at 140 (by beating KT) but Floyd is still around, giving lip service. But, Ricky still did not want to fight him so Floyd had no choice but go up in weight.
Also, you cannot fault PBF for not fighting "big names" when there were no big names out there willing to fight him. Nobody at 140 wanted any bit of Floyd after he beat up on Gatti. Cotto wanted no piece of him; neither did Hatton. So, he had no choice but to move up. Sharmba was a solid fighter and a good challenge for his first 47 fight.
Anywho, PBF should be respected for making the toughest fights available to him right. With the exception of Margarito (which I think he's holding out for the Mosley if he wins against Vargas), he's fought all challengers and has never outpriced himself in a fight.
But Brock would get smashed vs Wlad.
Anyone else, he can contend with for sure. Wladimir is just a whole different beast and I don't think Brock can deal with that type of speed and power from a heavyweight beast.
Couldn't tell, but Brock is a good undefeated fighter and he is not hyped up in any overblown fashion. Any heavyweight with no losses is to be taken seriously in this craptacular era. Brock has looked much better than he did vs Timur Ibragimov. Even though Timur clearly did not want to fight and made the fight ugly, Brock received plenty of flack for looking lackluster.
You know I wasn't being serious though, right?
Although the favouritism US fighters get (look at the coverage Calvin Brock is getting) is shocking. People ought to wake up to the fact that in 50% of hyped US fighters, it's not about the skill, it's about the $.
unfortunately playa, I have to agree with you on that...hell in every sport out there its all about the $$$$ and hype...
Jeff Lacy... fought his whole career in the US... his two biggest wins against washed-up bums. Came to the UK and got smashed up.
Unfortunately, this comparison just doesn't hold up to the sniff test. The UK is much smaller than the U.S. and there is much more of a hometown treatment no matter what city the fighter is from, so long as he is from the UK. The U.S. is very large and favoritisms are generally shown on a state-by-state basis, and Lacy fought plenty of fights outside of Florida.
So no, you can't use the fact that a guy stays in the U.S. against him. Sorry.
Floyd and Roy are not the same person. All the people who wanted to see Roy fight Eubank, Benn, etc. must realize from the words of these men's own mouths that Roy was not the only impediment to the fight happening.
Floyd's situation is not like Roy's. Floyd has better comp available to him. AHowever, Cotto and Hatton both I believe are on record as saying they don't want Mayweather yet.
i wil be honest judah was in my p4p list after the spinks fight
You can't be serious. Who has Judah ever beaten that was a quality opponent. Don't even throw feather fisted Spinks in there. How the hell does he get considered in the p4p list. when he has never beaten a quality opponent. Everytime he is in a big fight, he melts down. Judah may have A class talent but mentally he can never put it together. He is not an A class fighter. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you can't mentally put it together it doesn'y mean shit. I don't see how you, or anyone for that matter could have had him in a p4p list. I always felt that Judah was overrated and everytime he is in a big fight he proves it. I'm not trying to hate on you, it's just a proven fact, and than people want to say that he went into the Baldomir fight unprepared. If he can't be prepared for that fight, with the biggest fight of his life on the brink knowing the consequuences if he loses that is just another example to prove my point.
yeah but didnt cotto's promoter say they wanted none of PBF until 2007 i can find the link
also didnt hatton,mosley,margarito all turn him down in 2005 i can again find the link
also it was general consensus Judah just under-trained for Baldo much like Morales - Raheem but he still got his pacman fight so my point is sometime the big fights that dont come off arent his fault
Margarito is doing everything in his power to try and get a match with Floyd, but Floyd wants nothing to do with him.
Is it because he is constantly compared to Hatton? The reason I am sayin this is because everytime a pro Mayweather thread is started, the bashing starts with the UK members calling Mayweather a pu$$y and arguing about his p4p status. Why do you guys dislike him so much?
I dont think its limited to just the UK members...it at countries as well...half of the folks on this site hate pretty boy...you know when you are the best at what you do the world is either going to love you or hate you...as of now, most on here hate pretty boy...thats why he sells because people pay hoping he's going to lose...
I am from the UK and think PBF is the best p4p around at the minute.
I would say for all the UK PBF haters though there are twice as many Hatton haters from the US, I like both fighters so I can sit back and watch.
There is no rule that says you must be from certain country to be a great, the USA have produced the most great fighters but the UK have done well considering the size of the country.
The UK founded the sport the USA developed it to what it is today!
What never ceases to amaze me from both sides is the complete lack of knowledge of a fighter that people then criticise or hate.
To hate or criticise without good founded evidence or ill- informed knowledge makes the critique look arrogant and un-educated.
in the eys of usa a european fighter has to conquer america to be considered elite , but yet if your an american fighter and have got a fair-good record your elite? why dont american fighters travel to europe. cause whereever the fight happens your gonna hev the complications on the same fighters wether its in the us or the uk
for example hatton vs mayweather
referea
dave paris - youl have a lot of leeway to get inside and do a bit of graft , very leaniant with point deductions
jay nady - doesnt allow much inside work , if you get closer then he likes your gonna get split up , also doesnt hesitate to deduct points.
im sure in the us youv got a ref that will be fair to both fighters but mayweather wud insist on jay nady.