You have to look at how many titles he won over the years and all the weigh classes he's moved up and down in. but what is your thought?? do you think he really is ONE of the best not saying the best. again no haters just state your thoughts.
This thread pretty much puts an end to the unmerited arguments lately that Roy is not an all-time great in most people's eyes. Obviously, the opposite is true.
Roy in his prime had everything. If you want to see what type of virtuoso combonations Roy dealt out in his prime, check out the Bryant Brannon fight. Roy's handspeed matches the fastest fighters in the history of the sport...Leonard, Robinson, etc.
People will miss Roy, just like all greats are missed. 175 looks pretty gloomy these days...little activity, and no front-runner.
which is why i made this thread. i was looking at all the haters on roy about making excuses. but now this is why i made a thread with a pole. it is UD roy is going to go down as one of the best of all time. no one can say any diffrent. its right there in the pole. but this was why i made this thread bc i wanted to see all the REAL RJJ fans that are here and i see most of the fans from those other threads hating on him and some. notice since there are so many RJJ fans that all the haters are staying away. he turly is going down as one of the best no matter what. like you all said he isnt done yet. maybe he will put the lyrics from his one song "you will not win cause i will not lose". into affect this coming july.
The first fight I ever saw was the 1st Ali- Liston fight----Ali became a God to me---(as to so many others!!)---my second favorite fighter is Roy Jones JR.
Yes, but I beleive Roy Jones is the voice of god :D
The truth--(go on haters)
The first fight I ever saw was the 1st Ali- Liston fight----Ali became a God to me---(as to so many others!!)---my second favorite fighter is Roy Jones JR.
This thread pretty much puts an end to the unmerited arguments lately that Roy is not an all-time great in most people's eyes. Obviously, the opposite is true.
Roy in his prime had everything. If you want to see what type of virtuoso combonations Roy dealt out in his prime, check out the Bryant Brannon fight. Roy's handspeed matches the fastest fighters in the history of the sport...Leonard, Robinson, etc.
People will miss Roy, just like all greats are missed. 175 looks pretty gloomy these days...little activity, and no front-runner.
ALI was the greatest fighter to ever hit this world...Roy Jones Ray Robinson on are wayyyyy back in the running.
STFU Nobody cares about Ali at this thread. Just go away.
Listen to this...you know how people say he never faced good competition at lt heavyweight??
Roy faced 10 top 10 contenders (as rated by Ring Magazine) from 1997-1999.
yea this is true. but you know if roy would have crushed tarver the second fight he would have prolly walked out of boxing. more than likely. so than people would not be talking about who he fought. but no one looks at the good fighters he fought bc he has made them look so bad. yea he fought some duds but who hasnt. how about taylor saying he wants or acutally lou debella sorry saying he wants taylor to have a tune up fight bc he has foght the best the last 3 fights. isnt that the point???? roy beat champs and beat contenders and just made them look really bad. nice post i like this one. just look at the pole results they show that roy is the man. and always will be.
i knew it was 17 for some reason i wanted to say 15 but i didnt want to look stupid lol. but yea how many fighters have done that??? in my mind i think he is one of the best of all time. i know its hard to say now but he still isnt done. what if he comes out and fights a career fight against the prince? you never know with roy. he was retiring how many times lol. you never know what he is going to do next. maybe that makes him so great. you never know what he is going to do outside of the ring and NO ONE knew what he was going to do inside the ring. ask 49 other fighters they will tell you.
Listen to this...you know how people say he never faced good competition at lt heavyweight??
Roy faced 10 top 10 contenders (as rated by Ring Magazine) from 1997-1999.
He has defeated 17 world champions in his title reign.
A prime Roy Jones is something to behold.
Anyone who doesnt think Roy was on of the best in his prime is either delusional or intensly biased.
i knew it was 17 for some reason i wanted to say 15 but i didnt want to look stupid lol. but yea how many fighters have done that??? in my mind i think he is one of the best of all time. i know its hard to say now but he still isnt done. what if he comes out and fights a career fight against the prince? you never know with roy. he was retiring how many times lol. you never know what he is going to do next. maybe that makes him so great. you never know what he is going to do outside of the ring and NO ONE knew what he was going to do inside the ring. ask 49 other fighters they will tell you.
You have to look at how many titles he won over the years and all the weigh classes he's moved up and down in. but what is your thought?? do you think he really is ONE of the best not saying the best. again no haters just state your thoughts.
He has defeated 17 world champions in his title reign.
A prime Roy Jones is something to behold.
Anyone who doesnt think Roy was on of the best in his prime is either delusional or intensly biased.
I gotta say, Im a girl and the only reason im into boxing is cos my other half (Elgaringo) loves it, I used to despise the sport but now I love it. I remember seeing Roy for the first time ever against Richard Hall and after that fight I was his biggest fan, to this day I have never seen such a mastercalss of boxing skill!! He may have been a nobody but Roy made sure everybody knew it!!
Personally I agree with you on everything apart from the top 25 thing - Roy Jones has gotta be placed top 10 p4p without a doubt, he may have had alot of sub par opponents but he has also fought and BEATEN some hall of famers.He was No 1 P4P for 10 years and dont forget the fact that he was world champ at 4 different weights and I aint being rude but that deserves top 10!!!!
What would you be saying if he had retired after Ruiz, because the fact is he shot himself by trying to lose so much weight trying to get down to light heavyweight again.
Everyone makes very good points but i like this one. you have to look at him taking and owning 4 divisions. yea he only fought one fight in HW but he could have had more than one title. yes the vitali and wlad would beat roy on pure strength and ungodly height advantage same with lewis. but roy could beat everyone else. you have to look at it like this though. ali is one of the greatest i will give you that. but apart from all his fights he is REALLY known for who has he fought?? i agree with HW being a hell of alot tougher back than. but why cant people look at what roy did in the ring? he went rounds without getting hit. wheather you are a bad fighter or not that is still very very very hard to do. he has gone how many title fights without losing A ROUND. again something that is very hard to do. you cant fault the guy for fighting maybe bum fighters but they did have titles. i will always say that tarver beat a worn out jones. he messed his body up sooo bad for the first fight. the second fight tarver landed one punch. roy said he could have continued but said if he would have argued with the ref than he would have been looked at as making excuses which doesnt matter anyway bc we have a hell of alot of haters on this site. the johnson fight he didnt fight plain and simple. the thrid tarver fight was just to prove he can still go twelve rounds. but you have to look at what he did. besides what if he comes back and is a champ again?? what will people say than?? you have to rank him atleast in the top 10 imo. but like i said this about everyones thoughts glad to see so many people commented and there was no hating.
Its non-boxing fans like you that think ali was a god. Ali wasnt even the best heavyweight ever, let-alone the best fighter ever.
Id say 3rd best fighter that ever lived, and that could be pushing it in the eyes of many experts
As far as roy jones, i think he was one of the best fighters in the history of the sport. In his prime, all his fights seemed easy. He never seemed to struggle, even against the best like hopkins. but he was mostly entertaining which is why he is so highly rated.
If he fought better competition throughout his career, it would be easier to rank him. but we have to settle on what we know about him for sure, which is what makes ranking Jones jr so hard
I think hes a top 25 best P4P fighters ever. saying he is top 10 is really pushing it
Personally I agree with you on everything apart from the top 25 thing - Roy Jones has gotta be placed top 10 p4p without a doubt, he may have had alot of sub par opponents but he has also fought and BEATEN some hall of famers.He was No 1 P4P for 10 years and dont forget the fact that he was world champ at 4 different weights and I aint being rude but that deserves top 10!!!!
What would you be saying if he had retired after Ruiz, because the fact is he shot himself by trying to lose so much weight trying to get down to light heavyweight again.
Anything above top 50 is, in my opinion, is arguable, but I don't think anyone should dispute a top 50 spot. I think the ring had him at 17 at one point, and then he dropped just past 50 later on, after the Tarver losses.
o, i thought we were talkin about if he retired after that first loss. like a prime roy jones. i still say hes up there, maybe top 30. Again, its really hard to rank him because he never fought a really great inside fighter or anything like that.
I think he could have beaten a really good inside fighter, so thats why i rank him so highly, but because he never did its hard to judge. He could have done a lot more with his career IMO.
Definitely one of the best of the last 20 years...a top 40 p4p fighter all-time.
The only thing that hurt him was his lack of competition...but he still beat 3 HOF fighters. He is a top 10 light heavyweight as well.
The weird thing about ranking Jones is I can see him as a Top 10 p4p great (based mostly on his ability because he was so far ahead of his opposisitino in most cases); but I can't honestly put him at #1 at any of the divisions he fought it...excepty MAYBE Super-middleweight....because I feel you need to see a guy really tested and overcome it to beat out the competition for the #1 slot. To me, seeing a guy battle back against adversity is that extra "umph", ya know....and Jones never had to do that, with the exception of the first Tarver fight.
Jones beat Toney, Hopkins, Hill, McCallum (even though he was old), Reggie Johnson, Montell Griffin, Thomas Tate, Merqui Sosa, current top light-heavies Eric Harding & Clinton Woods, and Ruiz (not the best heavy; but a heavy with notable wins none-the-less); but he never had to battle from behind like Robinson, Moore, or Monzon.
If only the fights with Eubank, Benn, McClellan, or DM could have been made....or even a rematch with Hopkins in 2001 or 2002, we'd know more about Jones. Damn shame, really.
Its non-boxing fans like you that think ali was a god. Ali wasnt even the best heavyweight ever, let-alone the best fighter ever.
Id say 3rd best fighter that ever lived, and that could be pushing it in the eyes of many experts
As far as roy jones, i think he was one of the best fighters in the history of the sport. In his prime, all his fights seemed easy. He never seemed to struggle, even against the best like hopkins. but he was mostly entertaining which is why he is so highly rated.
If he fought better competition throughout his career, it would be easier to rank him. but we have to settle on what we know about him for sure, which is what makes ranking Jones jr so hard
I think hes a top 25 best P4P fighters ever. saying he is top 10 is really pushing it
Hahahahahah you tool go watch more of Hatton.
Its non-boxing fans like you that think ali was a god. Ali wasnt even the best heavyweight ever, let-alone the best fighter ever.
Id say 3rd best fighter that ever lived
As far as roy jones, i think he was one of the best fighters in the history of the sport. In his prime, all his fights seemed easy. He never seemed to struggle, even against the best like hopkins.
I think hes a top 20 best P4P fighters ever. saying he is top 10 is really pushing it
Anything above top 50 is, in my opinion, is arguable, but I don't think anyone should dispute a top 50 spot. I think the ring had him at 17 at one point, and then he dropped just past 50 later on, after the Tarver losses.
ALI was the greatest fighter to ever hit this world...Roy Jones Ray Robinson on are wayyyyy back in the running.
Its non-boxing fans like you that think ali was a god. Ali wasnt even the best heavyweight ever, let-alone the best fighter ever.
Id say 3rd best fighter that ever lived, and that could be pushing it in the eyes of many experts
As far as roy jones, i think he was one of the best fighters in the history of the sport. In his prime, all his fights seemed easy. He never seemed to struggle, even against the best like hopkins. but he was mostly entertaining which is why he is so highly rated.
If he fought better competition throughout his career, it would be easier to rank him. but we have to settle on what we know about him for sure, which is what makes ranking Jones jr so hard
I think hes a top 25 best P4P fighters ever. saying he is top 10 is really pushing it