Its like when Oscar fought Hopkins he thought if I lose it wont look as bad ,but a lose to Winky would be worse but not now.Everybody fought Winky except him he knows the deal just look at the Sturm fight, forget Mayweather fight Winky theres more to gain.
This statement is exactly why boxing is looked down on by casual sports fans.
Do you ever hear other sports or teams, say we don't want to play them right now because they're peaking.
Have you guys ever heard of Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Ali, Frazier, Hagler, Bowe, Holyfield, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Jake LaMotta.
When these MEN said, "Anytime, anywhere, anyplace" they f**kin' meant it. That is why boxing belonged in the same class as the NBA,NFL, and MLB in those days.
Plain and simple today's fighters simply do not want to fight!
These names are the exception...
Manny Pacquiao and Winky Wright duck no one...
They fought the best and beat the best ! hahaha
i think oscar has purposely stayed away from winky... he fought vargas after vargas lost to tito, he fought a washed up yori boy, he ofught shane twice... oscar could have made a fight with winky if he really wanted to...
you are absolutely correcto....dlh want the EASY, MONEY fights....he knew he would murda mayo....he knew he could beat vargas....he stayed away from winky and he stayed away from a tito rematch...he though he could beat sugar but he was wrong...
i think oscar has purposely stayed away from winky... he fought vargas after vargas lost to tito, he fought a washed up yori boy, he ofught shane twice... oscar could have made a fight with winky if he really wanted to...
Its like when Oscar fought Hopkins he thought if I lose it wont look as bad ,but a lose to Winky would be worse but not now.Everybody fought Winky except him he knows the deal just look at the Sturm fight, forget Mayweather fight Winky theres more to gain.
winky would kill dlh...........bottom
Although I agree that winky will be a very difficult fight for hoya, I don't hoya is afraid of him. Hoya is a businessman par exellance and he knows how to go around the ins and out boxing more any of us here. He will fight winky for the right reason.
I dont know why you say tito smashed vargas...tito my have cheated his way a to rob a green vargas...but smashed is harsh, no way tito would have ko vargas if those cheap shots didnt happen...and oscar would have beat vargas regardless, no one ever beat up oscar and thats the only vargas would ever come close to beating him cause we know vargas wouldnt be able to out box him...
How else can you describe it ? 5 knockdowns! I'm a Vargas fan too
I agree though, those low blows were cheap BUT VARGAS was young and inexperienced. Had he NOT TAKING THE TIME OUT he could have knocked Tito out. That was his mistake...but he took like 5 minutes and let Tito recover.
You cant be so sure of that. Vargas was a ruined fighter by the time he lost to OScar. The Pre Trinidad Vargas would have given Oscar a much better fight. Oscar seized the opportunity after Tito smashed Vargas.
I dont know why you say tito smashed vargas...tito my have cheated his way a to rob a green vargas...but smashed is harsh, no way tito would have ko vargas if those cheap shots didnt happen...and oscar would have beat vargas regardless, no one ever beat up oscar and thats the only vargas would ever come close to beating him cause we know vargas wouldnt be able to out box him...
Trust me man, I was rooting for Vargas in a big way against Oscar, Vargas was very exciting in his early career, but I just don't see him beating Oscar, because Oscar has very good skills, he's also fast and can brawl if he wants to.
Also you have to understand when your as big as Oscar everyone will call you out, it's happening with Mayweather now.
With Vargas it was different. Vargas would have fought him for free. He hated Delahoya. It was personal. But Delahoya swore he would never give him the chance until after Vargas took that career changing beating from Tito.
i think if the Oscar fight happend before the tito one i think oscar would of finished him earlier. Oscar had trooble with vargas power but i think that was the added power that roids have vargas
nope anybody wants to call themselves the best jr. middleweight they'd have to put ouma in the mix
I agree. Ouma is very good but no one wants to fight this guy because of his unorthodox southpaw style. Ouma ( like Winky ) can make orthodox fighters look bad.
if thats it why did he call him out after vargas had 2 great ko wins?
Vargas hated Delahoya so much that after Delahoya lost to Trinidad ( who he did outbox ) ...Vargas called Tito out and wanted to prove to Mexican fans that he would stand and fight him rather than run like Delahoya. Those were his words. He had this fued with Delahoya since he was an amatuer.
Oscars one of my favorite fighters and i gotta say it seems hes always looked at boxing through the buisness aspect a little more than a fighters aspect...but him ducking people is a little off, last time i remember winky admittedly said he turned 6 million away because he didnt want the short end of the stick with the big fights anymore.....and then he fought soloman....i personally think a dlh vs wink fight would be good close fight, no way wink dominates.
Thats why an Oscar/Winky fight would determine who really is the best Junior middleweight.
nope anybody wants to call themselves the best jr. middleweight they'd have to put ouma in the mix
i think oscar might have a chance againts winky. he doesnt have the power but i think he can use his speed and feints he used on tito. it might win him some rounds the longest he keeps a bounce on his legs
Thats why an Oscar/Winky fight would determine who really is the best Junior middleweight.
Vargas called Tito out... :rolleyes:
He would have fought anyone. You know its true man. OScar did not want anything do with Vargas until Tito ruined him. Thats not being biased. Thats telling the truth.
if thats it why did he call him out after vargas had 2 great ko wins?
You cant be sure of that bro. Vargas hated that guy and would have fought him for free. Delahoya isnt scared of anybody, but he picks his opponents at the most opportune time. Winky called him out for years ! He's not afraid of Winky, but Winkys style can make a very good boxer look bad.
".....winky called him out for years!" Yet, years ago delahoya wasn't a jr. middleweight, winky could have went up in weight and challenge hopkins, but winky knew then that he'd get his ass kicked by hopkins. Who hasn't called out dealhoya is the question?
right and tito only took the fight after he saw winky go toe to toe with him.lol
Vargas called Tito out... :rolleyes:
He would have fought anyone. You know its true man. OScar did not want anything do with Vargas until Tito ruined him. Thats not being biased. Thats telling the truth.
You cant be sure of that bro. Vargas hated that guy and would have fought him for free. Delahoya isnt scared of anybody, but he picks his opponents at the most opportune time. Winky called him out for years ! He's not afraid of Winky, but Winkys style can make a very good boxer look bad.
i think oscar might have a chance againts winky. he doesnt have the power but i think he can use his speed and feints he used on tito. it might win him some rounds the longest he keeps a bounce on his legs
Exactly, Delahoya is 10 times the better boxer then Vargas, no version of Vargas ever beats Delahoya.
If Delahoya fought Hopkins, then why would he be afraid of Winky, it's just doesn't make any sense.
These ducking talks is getting a little too much at these boards. :rolleyes:
You cant be sure of that bro. Vargas hated that guy and would have fought him for free. Delahoya isnt scared of anybody, but he picks his opponents at the most opportune time. Winky called him out for years ! He's not afraid of Winky, but Winkys style can make a very good boxer look bad.