Frank Warren and Joe Calzaghe have better get real creative real fucking quick!
Toney Tarver was the big fight for Joe and now that fight is all but gone, a fight with Glenn Johnson really means nothing and fighting all risk zero reward fights against Kessler or Adamnek are probably not the smartest moves in the world.
Who is left to really cement the term LEGACY for Joe?
Bernard Hopkins.
Bernard is all about the money-always has been and always will be and if Warren and Calzaghe are to get their dream fight they are going to have to make some serious fucking concessions(which would be a first).
Joe needs to sign this fight for next to nothing, he needs to pull a Judah when Judah fought Spinks and take nothing...Nard needs to get almost the entire purse and that purse will most likely have to hit 15 million give or take to entice Bernard to come to Wales.
Even if Bernard doesnt take it it would be a hell of a Public Relations move for Joe who has been a disaster from the PR standpoint his enitre career.
Hopkins is the one fight out there that will absolutely cement Calzaghe as a true great...do I expect team Calzaghe to go after this fight...maybe-but not in the way that I suggest and if they really truly care about being a great all over the world and not just across the pond then they will take my advice and at the very least push Nard "all in" with an offer that he would have to at least ponder.
Cmon Frank, Cmon Joe...clutch up for once outside of the ring and blow the boxing world away with an offer no man can refuse...look what happens if you dont....next up Mr. Clinton Woods-ah fuck!
Calzaghe, in contrast, has consistently and skillfuly avoided the top opponents in his own weight class, with the exceptions of Robin Reid - a fight Calzaghe almost lost - and Lacy - who was horribly overrated after a couple of quick knockouts and whose style suited Calzaghe's perfectly. The obvious opponent for him to fight today would be Mike Kessler, as Eastman and Taylor were Hopkins opvious opponents more recently. Will Calzaghe step up to the challenge this time?
Very good. So who exactly in his weight class has he avoided? Ottke? Aye, that was Calzaghe running was that.
I'd like to see Calzaghe fight Kessler. It'd be a nice warm up before a top class fighter.
Calzaghe, in contrast, has consistently and skillfuly avoided the top opponents in his own weight class, with the exceptions of Robin Reid - a fight Calzaghe almost lost - and Lacy - who was horribly overrated after a couple of quick knockouts and whose style suited Calzaghe's perfectly. The obvious opponent for him to fight today would be Mike Kessler, as Eastman and Taylor were Hopkins opvious opponents more recently. Will Calzaghe step up to the challenge this time?
Warren/Calzaghe better make offer of a lifetime!
are you related to hopkins or part of team hopkins?
LOL!
Let Hopkins retire, he already chose not to face Joe Calzaghe.
So do you agree with what I said about making Bernard a huge offer or not? (Weather it is a good fight for Nard or not is not my point here-Im strictly speaking from Joe's side at what they should do)
If he could get Hopkins to fight him on all his own temrs, yes of course that would be a good move for him. But it's negotiating tactics like that that got him into this "I'd better start cementing a legacy right now" state that he's in now. It's unrealistic, and won't happen.
When Bernard Hopkins was 34 years old what did his resume look like-answer this Boze? If I was a betting man which I am I would bet you didnt even know who Bernard Hopkins was when he was 34, am I right?
The first time I saw Hopkins was when he fought Roy in 1993. But Hopkins got off to a much slower start with his career because he was in prison, and blossomed late. He had 28 fights under his belt at 34. Calzaghe's had 41. His brittle hands and his hand speed are not traits that will see him fight effectivly into his late 30s. He's got a few good years left, and the very notion in your first post clearly illustrates that he needs to be very active and in marquee fights to cement a 'great' legacy.
BTW-who did you pick to win that fight...ya know the one with Joe Calzaghe and the green one dimensional momentum-less Jeff LAcy? Who did you like in that fight?
I picked Lacy. So did a lot of people. That doesn't really have a lot to do with a conversation about Calzaghe's missed career opportunities or his need to become very active very quickly in order to put together a great legacy.
Bottom line...Bernard would have his hands extremely full against a guy that you dont think is very good-right?
Bernard had trouble with Taylor, would have trouble with Wright, possible guys like Chad Dawson, the list goes on. I think at 41 Calzaghe would have a good shot at beating him. But at 41 Bernard doesn't need to be looking at fights with any of these guys. He's 41, and that's why he's said he's retiring. He's used his time effectivly and put together a legacy worthy of calling himself one of the greatest of his generation, and of all time.
If Calzaghe wants to come anywhere near that, he should be looking at the Taylor Wright winner, Kessler, and the winner of Woods Johnson. That would be a good step in the right direction.
The humorous part about your post Scappy is how you sound like Calzaghe has to get in a rush now to cement his legacy.
What happned to the last decade?
If he had put any effort into traveling (countries and different divisions) he'd woudn't need to be scrambling now.
The Tarver fight was a big fight out there, but last I hear he's bickering with Glen Johnson about moving down to 168.
Where were the call outs to Tarver? The offers to fight him at 175 in Vegas or MSG?
Hopkins has nothing to gain from taking this fight. He's said he's hanging them up now, and after a long career of making good choices and decisions, that's his porogative.
If Calzaghe is truly interested in cementing a legitimate legacy (not just his die hard fans talking about how he's one of the all time great Supper Middles), he needs to get off his ass and start fighting in other counties.
Go kick Kessler's ass in Denmark. Call out the winner of Taylor vs Wright and offer to fight them in Vegas. Fight Clinton Woods in his hometown.
Get out there and make it happen.
So do you agree with what I said about making Bernard a huge offer or not? (Weather it is a good fight for Nard or not is not my point here-Im strictly speaking from Joe's side at what they should do)
When Bernard Hopkins was 34 years old what did his resume look like-answer this Boze? If I was a betting man which I am I would bet you didnt even know who Bernard Hopkins was when he was 34, am I right?
BTW-who did you pick to win that fight...ya know the one with Joe Calzaghe and the green one dimensional momentum-less Jeff LAcy? Who did you like in that fight?
Bottom line...Bernard would have his hands extremely full against a guy that you dont think is very good-right?
Let the man stay retired. I dont want to see Hopkins fight Calzaghe, he already has his legacy. Hopkins is a smart man and he knows he doesn't need Calzaghe. Its too much of a risk, I mean he is 41 now...
The humorous part about your post Scappy is how you sound like Calzaghe has to get in a rush now to cement his legacy.
What happned to the last decade?
If he had put any effort into traveling (countries and different divisions) he'd woudn't need to be scrambling now.
The Tarver fight was a big fight out there, but last I hear he's bickering with Glen Johnson about moving down to 168.
Where were the call outs to Tarver? The offers to fight him at 175 in Vegas or MSG?
Hopkins has nothing to gain from taking this fight. He's said he's hanging them up now, and after a long career of making good choices and decisions, that's his porogative.
If Calzaghe is truly interested in cementing a legitimate legacy (not just his die hard fans talking about how he's one of the all time great Supper Middles), he needs to get off his ass and start fighting in other counties.
Go kick Kessler's ass in Denmark. Call out the winner of Taylor vs Wright and offer to fight them in Vegas. Fight Clinton Woods in his hometown.
Get out there and make it happen.
Hopkins is old and although it'd be interesting to see how him and Joe matchup, I'd only be thinking of how Bernard would have won 5 years ago if it ends as a close fight.
I'd rather see Joe fight guys like Adamek, Briggs, Kessler, and Mundine...up and comers who are young and just as threatening as Bernard at this point.
That was the perfect way to end a career, he shouldn't fight again.
Its Frank Warrens job to make him rethink that notion.
If Joe cant get Bernard there is absolutely no one around-shit if Joe beat Bernard he could fight you juy and he would be able to name his price.
At the very least an offer that makes Bernard think must be made!