Anyone Else Feel Uneasy about the Scoring Change?

DLT20y ago

Now, I hate the fact that judges or whoever gets the scorecards wrong. This is a proffesional sport and that should never happened but it seems to happen way more then it should in boxing but the change is made and you go on. The differnce in this fight and why I feel uneasy is that it was the 12th round that the error was made in. Does that seem kind of shakey to you? I mean, the judge has the fight scored as a 1pt lead by MAB going into the 12th and then in the 12th round he scores it 10-10? Now, that round was close and you could argue that it might was a 10-10 round but it just seems to strange because a judge can look down at his cards and know that he has MAB up by 1 and decides to make it a 10-10 round. It wouldnt be fishy to me if it happened in any other round but because it happened in the 12th, it seems kind of strange and makes you wonder. Also, what was so hard to see about the card he scored? Did he 1st score the 12th for Juarez and then change it for some reason? If he scored the 12th round 10-10 from the jump then what would be so hard about it to read? It should be easy to read since the only even round was the last round? Were there some other things going on? Also guys, do you also remember how long it took the judges to come back with the cards? Even Lampley said something about it. That seems mighty strange. Like they got together and made a change? Also, remember all the stuff Juarez said after the fight about it being L.A. and Oscar's home town? Basically he was saying that he thought the judges had it in for him. It just seems kind of strange, dont you think? For the record, I thought Juarez won that round

Comments (20)

beezy_14

I just watched the fight after downloading it, it was a good exciting fight. I felt that it was extremely close and when I heard the cards read a draw I was content with that because that honestly seemed fair. There were some rounds that were close and could sway the fight either way, however when I saw the cards you guy's posted especially the 12 and total's. It did seem kinda fishy I must say and this is PROFFESIONAL boxing and there should be some type of revision process to rule out "mistake's". Unless they did have a revision process it seems with there good old pen and it sucks because it's a shot in the face to the fighter's who gave a great fight.

20y ago

elgaringo

I've just got a look at the cards.. It looks abvious to my that the cards have been changed at the end to accomidate Barrera!! It you ask me thay should change it back to a draw in light of this obvious discrepancy!!! Just the fact that us the fans have seen this and it looks like it does... :o

20y ago

elgaringo

It looks real shady to me. I thought it was fair as a draw!! I hate it when this happens!! I hated it when it happened to Winky against Harry Simon!! It all seemed a little unorganised.. It certainly left a sour taste in my mouth. Just as this has!!!

20y ago

drh

this looks real BAD!

20y ago

mokele

a little uneasy Before the cards were read for the 1st time I thought that Barrera was ahead by 1 or 2 points based on a lead he built up over the 1st 8 rounds. He landed a lot of jabs and was outpunching Juarez for the 1st 8 rounds, but Juarez came on strong at the end. Barrera looked bad near the end, with maybe a broken nose. He might have had trouble breathing which explains his running tactics and occasional holding. Juarez looked like a winner at the end but I'm sure that Barrera landed more punches if not the more effective ones. The fight could have gone either way. A draw was acceptable to me. I was surprised as heck that the result was changed but I suppose that's better than allowing an error in adding the scorecards to stick.

20y ago

moy22487

they changed the scores bro. Those were 9's there. Oscar pulled some strings because he knows, a loss for Barrera is a serious blow to Barrera's carreer, and an end to of coming cash for Oscar Promotions. I dare anyone prove me wrong. This is just low. it wouldnt be a loss. its would still be a draw. but the fight going to barrera is what it should of been

20y ago

josenoway

wow. that looks shady as hell. damn, way to go boxing, put another bullet in that foot.

20y ago

Papa_Ace

Thanks for the pic, it clearly shows foul play. i wonder how much duane and morita gets for this?

20y ago

Papa_Ace

a lot of people agreed, even the trainers and fighters themselves acknowledged the fight as a draw. hell it was FOTY mention in fact. the scorecard change really is a dumb-ass scenario. the match brought out the best in both warriors and a draw was enough justification that no man "clearly" emerged the winner. even if the scores say it was barrera's. the fight should have been a draw.

20y ago

DiegoFuego

who the fuck scores even rounds? this is complete bullshit right here.

20y ago

DiegoFuego

This is fucked up. I honestly believe this is bullshit now that I've seen those cards. What the fuck is going on?

20y ago

moochi

fuck man,. looking at that master scorecard makes me think that this is a wwf scorecard.....look at the last round adjustments man!....the two scorecards seem to have been a 10-9 to rocky juarez, only to be changed to a 10 -10....the bottom calculations show that too!...so it seems the cards were presented well on the mic, but were changed later!!!

20y ago

Left2body

I gotta watch this fight again to check on that. This is really suspicious. The fact alone that I can see a 9 underneath that 10 in the middle card in Round 12 convinces me that they screwed Rocky. I mean cmon. You know what a loss/draw does to Barrera's carreer at this stage? One, no match against Pac (well, he might be happy about that)and probably a high demand of rematch against Juarez (a fight he can certainly lose). Yeah, very good point. But I think the big thing is loss of possible PPV dollars. I'm begining to believe less and less about the Don King factor in judging. I'm begining to think its a Network thing and not a promotor thing, because the commentators set this up pretty nicely for regular John Q. Public who was bombarded by how well Barrera was doing to more easily digest that the Original cards were tabulated incorrectly.

20y ago

Mech

Also remember what Juarez was saying after the fight about it being L.A. and Oscar's home town? heh yeah I know. He considered it a victory. I never email the people charge to bitch about fucked up shit in boxing...I think this will be a first.

20y ago

Bozo_no_no0305

if all 3 changed there scores it would show that it was a hard round to score, even if the 3rd judge scored round 12 for rocky but still had barerra wining changed it even, if this fight was a fix it wouldnt be as shady, guess the golden boy is new to this fix thing eh :rolleyes: That makes zero sense. All they needed to do was change one round on one score card to change the result. You're suggesting they take the time to blatently change all 3 cards makes no sense whatsover, and would be 3x as blatently obvious. Think before you hiss out racist non sense.

20y ago

DLT

Also remember what Juarez was saying after the fight about it being L.A. and Oscar's home town? Basically he was saying that he thought the judges had it in for him

20y ago

tonert

Well the round by round says the fight was scored 115-113 for Juarez, 115-113 for Barrera, 114-114 a draw and fightn3s reports the fight changed to: 115-114, 115-113 Barrera, 115-114 Juarez, so Barrera actually wins a split decision. so two scores where changed no? heres the masterscorecard http://www.fightnews.com/barrera_juarez_scorecard.gif thanks for the scorecard. I thought when I first heard that the decision was changed that someone had went back and altered the scorecards. And, this scorecard with the clear changes in round 12 and to the total score just REALLY CONFIRMS that. The only scorecard really at issue is the middle one. To show that it wasn't a mistake, you just need to look at BOTH the round 12 and the total. Both round 12 AND the total were changed, indicating to me that foul play was at work. If it was just a scoring error, or an addition error the card would not look like it does. Obviously, round 12 originally had a "9" in it, and accordingly it was totaled up to "114". No mistake there. That was correct. The "114" in the total confirms that the "9" was correctly there. So, the alleged "mistake" was not only in round 12, but in the total, too? I don't buy it. It looks very clear that they went back and changed the "9" in round 12 to a "10" and then also had to re-total thereby changing the "114" to a "115". The fact that they had to change the "114" to a "115" just confirms that there was foul play.

20y ago

AintGottaClue

Do you have any idea of what you're talking about? The middle score was the only one that needed to change to tip the score in Barrera's favor. Why would they change all 3 when they only needed to change one? You should get a clue before you start in with racist ignorant drivel. if all 3 changed there scores it would show that it was a hard round to score, even if the 3rd judge scored round 12 for rocky but still had barerra wining changed it even, if this fight was a fix it wouldnt be as shady, guess the golden boy is new to this fix thing eh :rolleyes:

20y ago

Manny_P

Hey guys, do you also remember how long it took the judges to come back with the cards? Even Lampley said something about it. That seems mighty strange. Like they got together and made a change I gotta watch this fight again to check on that. This is really suspicious. The fact alone that I can see a 9 underneath that 10 in the middle card in Round 12 convinces me that they screwed Rocky. I mean cmon. You know what a loss/draw does to Barrera's carreer at this stage? One, no match against Pac (well, he might be happy about that)and probably a high demand of rematch against Juarez (a fight he can certainly lose).

20y ago

Left2body

20y ago