Greatest Featherwight?

I actually never even looked at the list when I said "kings". But I now say take McGuigan and Pac off of it and there will be all kings remaining. I strongly believe that Barreras skills are to be held with such honor. Rockin' :boxing: if you also remove MAB on the list as well, I will agree with you that the list only have KINGS!! no question there ... but if you retain MAB, there will be a lot more opennings for guys like PAC and even JMM to be part of the list...

willie pep.

You should really try to get to the Hall of Fame Inductions. Ive been one time. When it first opened, or maybe the second year it was open, I went there to box on the amtuer card they had for the festival that weekend. I met some very cool guys. I dont remember all of them but I do remember Saddler, Kid Gavilan, Basillio, so many others but I just dont remember them. Its a must atleast one time in any boxing fans life, its a great time. And the good thing is that most of the boxers are so willing just to sit and shoot the shit with ya. They are some of the greatest atheletes that I have ever met. Rockin' :boxing:I've been planning to for years! Unfortunately I always find myself in some other part of the globe each time: the last one, I was in the Philippines. Foiled again! Was the induction you attended the one when they ushered in Foreman? Was that the same year that they enshrined Benitez? I recall having read somewhere that Benitez went with his mom! Anyway, I don't envy ya; I just like to do what you've done. Maybe next year.:) My trip to The Hall is getting to be like that of some minor contender! It's dicey, at best!

1. damn no morales mention??? :( 2. where's johnny right now? any news? 3. pac beats morales and barrera again he should be there top 3 the very least. bro... 1. yeah did not see but EM at the poll, IMHO i think the roster is a full list already and i think EM has better accomplishment at SFW than the feathers...(EM fans correct me here if I am wrong) 2. ??? 3. PAC beat morales at SFW and PAC only fought 4 fights at FW, maybe on my list i could include him in my top 10 FWs ...

It was a cool experience, that whole gym was. But Pedroza stands out. Can you name the Former Featherweight Champion whole holds the record for title defenses with the IBF belt that bought the gym from Jackie Kallen when she got out. Rockin' :boxing:Caught the edit just in time.:) Are we lookin at BOOM BOOM? Tom Johnson?

1. damn no morales mention??? :( 2. where's johnny right now? any news? 3. pac beats morales and barrera again he should be there top 3 the very least.

It was a cool experience, that whole gym was. But Pedroze stands out. Rockin' :boxing:I'm sure it was and I'm sure he did. Kings always do, more so a king who reigned so long. I can only hope that late as I am getting in life and remote as the chances are, I still can find myself in something similar.:)

don't know much about pep, sandler and armstrong, but i have seen their names topping polls for the best all-time FW ... but to those I have seen, one of my all time favorites Arguello maybe is a better candidate for best SFW ... and at feather I will stick with Salvador Sanchez...

Eusebio Pedroza was coming to our gym for a week or two at Galaxy. That guy was tough and skilled. He was older but you could still see the greatness and fluid movements is his work. It was an honor to me to work beside him. When I first got really interested in boxing I watched Barry McGuigan beat an older version of Pedroza on the television. Rockin' :boxing:You.'re lucky to have walked with a HERO, Rockin' One who is a true blue boxing rolyalty.

Ur right. I thought about having him as an option, but believed no one would have picked him. My apologies to him and his family.Sorry for responding to this post rather late, Bobby. Yeah. Sad though that not too many appear to remember El Alacran. 19 consecutive title defenses, a division record that still stands and, it seems, shall stand for quite a long time. He failed to unite the then existing belts (WBA and WBC), though. The matches craved were between him and Salvador Sanchez in the early 80's and vs. Azumah Nelson towards the mid-80s. They blamed Pedroza for not taking on these two--unfairly, I think. Defended against another Hall of Famer Ruben Olivares (TKO12), Royal Kobayashi, Rocky Lockridge (2x) among others. His passport was crowded as he was not averse to defending his title in the hometowns of his challengers (vs. Spider Nemoto and Kobayashi in Japan, Sa Wang Kim in Korea, Johnny Aba in New Guinea, Carlos Pingago and Angel Levi Mayor in Venezuela and Kiko Solis in San Juan, Puerto Rico....among others. I think, when evelauting Pedroza, some view his record as having been tainted by his early KO (2) in the hands of Alfonso Zamora in his first try at a world strap (WBA Bantamweight). He had one other loss as a Bantamweight too, to Alfonso Perez. But, they seem to overlook one fact: Pedroza lost only once (to Barry McGuigan) as a Featherweight. He moved to Jr. Light and Light after losing to McGuigan where he had 5 more fights, three of which he won, before calling it a day.

I won't argue against anyone who pick Pep or Saddler or Armstrong or Eusebio Pedroza (whose name is not on the poll even though he had the most title defenses at Featherweight in the entire history of the division) or.... Different strokes for different folks, really. As for me, I'll stubbornly stick with Chava, if you guys don't mind. ;) :) Ur right. I thought about having him as an option, but believed no one would have picked him. My apologies to him and his family.

I sure dont mind... Hard to mind when the guy has stopped gomez and nelson!:) Thanks! (The message you entered is too short...:o )

Right before the mishap, Pep was on a power binge: stopping 7 of 8 foes (while winning all 8) whom he faced after TKOing (12) Sal Bartolo for the World Feather title. Pep had, a year earlier, won the NYSAC version of the world title from Chalky Wright and defended that title against the same Bartolo before they met again for the more widely recognized title. Pep's last fight before the accident was against Chalky Wright (KO3). His other stoppage victims during that period were Harold Gibson (TKO7), Doll Rafferty (KO 6), Walter Kolby (KO 5), Lefty LaChance (TKO3), Tomas Beato (KO2) and Jackie Graves whom Pep floored 9 times (though Graves also floored Pep in the 6th). It was a tad an unsual streak for someone who was labeled as featherfisted. I won't argue against anyone who pick Pep or Saddler or Armstrong or Eusebio Pedroza (whose name is not on the poll even though he had the most title defenses at Featherweight in the entire history of the division) or.... Different strokes for different folks, really. As for me, I'll stubbornly stick with Chava, if you guys don't mind. ;) :) I sure dont mind... Hard to mind when the guy has stopped gomez and nelson!

I didn't know that about Willie Pep, thanks for the info! you are most welcome

Beat in no particular order: Pep Sanchez Armstrong I voted for Will o the wisp because: 1. He is italian :) 2. Most know but some don't: On January 8 1947 he had a plane crash, he broke two vertebrae and a leg. He came back to the ring on June 17, as soon as he was out of cast... All his losses but one (against a former 135 champion) happened after this. 3. Armstrong fought in a number of classes so it's hard to rank him in one, but he is like top 3 p4p in history or so 4. Chavo died young: he might have done more than pep or less or about the same, we'll never knowRight before the mishap, Pep was on a power binge: stopping 7 of 8 foes (while winning all 8) whom he faced after TKOing (12) Sal Bartolo for the World Feather title. Pep had, a year earlier, won the NYSAC version of the world title from Chalky Wright and defended that title against the same Bartolo before they met again for the more widely recognized title. Pep's last fight before the accident was against Chalky Wright (KO3). His other stoppage victims during that period were Harold Gibson (TKO7), Doll Rafferty (KO 6), Walter Kolby (KO 5), Lefty LaChance (TKO3), Tomas Beato (KO2) and Jackie Graves whom Pep floored 9 times (though Graves also floored Pep in the 6th). It was a tad an unsual streak for someone who was labeled as featherfisted. I won't argue against anyone who pick Pep or Saddler or Armstrong or Eusebio Pedroza (whose name is not on the poll even though he had the most title defenses at Featherweight in the entire history of the division) or.... Different strokes for different folks, really. As for me, I'll stubbornly stick with Chava, if you guys don't mind. ;) :)

Yep, Gomez was a little giant, as many have called him. The best 122 ever. ;) awsome fighter!

Most know but some don't: On January 8 1947 he had a plane crash, he broke two vertebrae and a leg. He came back to the ring on June 17, as soon as he was out of cast... All his losses but one (against a former 135 champion) happened after this. I didn't know that about Willie Pep, thanks for the info!

Beat in no particular order: Pep Sanchez Armstrong I voted for Will o the wisp because: 1. He is italian :) 2. Most know but some don't: On January 8 1947 he had a plane crash, he broke two vertebrae and a leg. He came back to the ring on June 17, as soon as he was out of cast... All his losses but one (against a former 135 champion) happened after this. 3. Armstrong fought in a number of classes so it's hard to rank him in one, but he is like top 3 p4p in history or so 4. Chavo died young: he might have done more than pep or less or about the same, we'll never know

Geeezzz, there's a bunch of great fighters there....

Some records: Willie Pep: 230 Wins(65 KO). 11 Loses (6 by KO). 1 Draw Henry Armstrong: 151 Wins(100 KO). 21 Loses (2 by KO). 10 Draws Salvador Sanchez: 44 Wins (32 KO). 1 Loss. 1 Draw Manny Paquaio: 41 Wins (33 KO). 3 Loses(2 by KO). 2 Draws and for those interested Bantamweight Champ Wilfedo Gomez: 44 Wins(42 KO). 3 Loses(3 by KO). 1 Draw All 3 loses were when challenging for the featherwieght or Superfeatherweight titles. Yep, Gomez was a little giant, as many have called him. The best 122 ever. ;)