this is why the MYTH of Mayweather keeps growing

i guess when you're p4p fighter you don't have to fight anybody that doesn't always look great, it seems like mayweathers fans and or, the boxing public is buliding or i should say giving credit to mayweather without mayweather even being in the ring with the other big name fighters, i think it is funny and ludacris that mayweather is looked as such an invinsiable caliber fighter, when in my opinon he is showing signs of slowing down and hasn't fought any tough opponets since castillo Originally Posted by m00ks This is pretty much the position Pretty Boy wanted to be in. To be universally accepted as the #1 pound for pound fighter of the world without even fighting. Yes he's had a stellar career and I don't demean his accomplishments what so ever, but to be truly recognized as the top p4p, he's gotta challenge himself to new heights as often as he can. Sitting on your wins doesn't cut it and it doesn't guarantee you can't get ktfo in your next fight. He dares compare himself to Robinson and I bet some of you here are even foolish enough to accept it. He's created such a myth of invincibility that he doesn't need to fight for people to accept him as better than anyone he'll face. He's won before even siging a contract. All he really has to do to sustain his status is to fuel the public's praise by putting on an excellent performance every couple of years and he's back on top for a couple more. Quite franlkly it's marketing ingenuity. Keeping his ardent fans hanging on to watch him fight less than the best and still try to convince everyone he is still the dominant champion is not worthy of someone who has been labeled pound for pound the best fighter. If you are a professional boxer then you box and if you are the best then you fight the best. Leave no questions unanswered.

That's a fact Actually it isn't.

Judah was considered the #1 Welter before his FLUKE loss to Baldy. Hatton ran from Mayweather at 140. hatton and cotto ran from floyd at 140

bumping this bitch too!

Styles make fights. Tszyu could never have boxed Judah the way Mayweather did and Mayweather couldnt KO Judah the was Tszyu did. I also think Judah was a better fighter when Mayweather fought him. you're right styles make fights against mayweather judah had a chance to look better and did

And Floyd fought at welterweight, challenging at Jr. Welterweight :rolleyes: see that alone is going to get some negative feedback. In fact Judah was also a Jr. Welterweight, and Tszyu KO'd Judah while Mayweather went the distance and had LOTS of trouble with Judah. Styles make fights. Tszyu could never have boxed Judah the way Mayweather did and Mayweather couldnt KO Judah the was Tszyu did. I also think Judah was a better fighter when Mayweather fought him.

Mitchell lost to Tszyu in 2003 then... beat Bernard Harris beat Frank Houthaling beat Vince Phillips beat Carlos Vilches beat Ben Tackie beat Lovemore N'dou beat Michael Stewart beat Moises Pedroza Then lst to Tszyu again beat Chris Smith Then Lost to Mayweather. So saying Mitchell lost back to back fightsd to Tszyu then fought Floyd is a false statement. Also Tszyu beats Mitchell and every body goes buck wild loving tszyu, then Floyd does it and put on a better performance than Tszyu in my opionion and every1 calls Mitchell a bum and Mayweathers win meas nothing. Everyone was sayin Gatti was reinvented. He beat Ward, then won a title, the beat Dorin and Leijas by KO;s. Ths was Mayweathers 3rd weight class i think and people thought the "reinvented" Gatti and his size could beat Floyd. So Floyd was up tp the championship challenge and absolutely destroyed Gatti. After Floyd beats him, Gatti is just an overrated bum and every1 acts like they said that all along. And to say Judah is not a top welterweight is ridiculous. He dethroned undisputed champion Corey Spinks with an impressive KO. Then lost in that fluke to Baldomir. But Judah was at his best against Floyd. Their a big differnce in my opinion of why that is. First off, boxing has always held p4p fighters in a higher standard so we expect better from them when they fight. Another thing, as you said, Tszyu had already beaten him, ko'ed him in much convincing fashion then mayweather or you can say, Mayweather got Tszyus left overs and as p4p fighter he is he was expected to do this. And Floyd fought at welterweight, challenging at Jr. Welterweight :rolleyes: see that alone is going to get some negative feedback. In fact Judah was also a Jr. Welterweight, and Tszyu KO'd Judah while Mayweather went the distance and had LOTS of trouble with Judah. Mayweather has fought 2 fights at welterweight and his opponets have been jr. welterweights.......Hatton has fought 1 fight at welterweight and his first opponet was a true welterweight. Yet, mayweather the so called p4p fighter in boxing has yet to fight a real welterweight! see it doesn't look good when a pound for pound #1 fighter, moves up in weight just to challenge jr. welterweights at welterweight, when he could have done this when he was at jr. welteweight. Cory Spinks was also a jr. welterweight with good boxing skills and who has the skills to stay away from mayorga to win the welterweight crown and mayorga won it from forest who was a jr. welterweight when he started.

how many of these fucking threads are you going to make. we all know you are a floyd hater so no need to keep running your mouth about why floyd isn't p4p. true boxing fans know. do my opinions slap you in the face? or are you aggreeing with me? You know im a fan of Hatton, Juarez, Barrrera, Morales, Mayorga, Margarito, Delahoya, Klitchko, Taylor and the list goes on, so go ahead and give your opinion about these fighters and im sure i wont piss in my pants after reading your opinion of these fighters, as you are pissing in your pants after reading my opinion. Im not a journalist were i will report the story, NO! Im a fan of boxing and i will give my opinion, so if you can't take what i have to say and give a resonable rebutal then just keep talking shit...I guess if you got nothing to say, then yeah, keep on talking shit.,,

it is only mayweathers 'fake p4p status that is keeping boxing fans from hating him altogether. mayweather is a fantastic fighter, but he is cheating the public altogether. his last 3 fights have composed of: - gatti who was a protected, house fighter whos big 'win' was over micky ward and a former featherweight in dorin and leija. - sharmba mitchell who was coming off 2 losses to tszyu. - judah who was an a-hole of the highest order. he is not a true professional and was not a top welterweight. Mitchell lost to Tszyu in 2003 then... beat Bernard Harris beat Frank Houthaling beat Vince Phillips beat Carlos Vilches beat Ben Tackie beat Lovemore N'dou beat Michael Stewart beat Moises Pedroza Then lst to Tszyu again beat Chris Smith Then Lost to Mayweather. So saying Mitchell lost back to back fightsd to Tszyu then fought Floyd is a false statement. Also Tszyu beats Mitchell and every body goes buck wild loving tszyu, then Floyd does it and put on a better performance than Tszyu in my opionion and every1 calls Mitchell a bum and Mayweathers win meas nothing. Everyone was sayin Gatti was reinvented. He beat Ward, then won a title, the beat Dorin and Leijas by KO;s. Ths was Mayweathers 3rd weight class i think and people thought the "reinvented" Gatti and his size could beat Floyd. So Floyd was up tp the championship challenge and absolutely destroyed Gatti. After Floyd beats him, Gatti is just an overrated bum and every1 acts like they said that all along. And to say Judah is not a top welterweight is ridiculous. He dethroned undisputed champion Corey Spinks with an impressive KO. Then lost in that fluke to Baldomir. But Judah was at his best against Floyd.

i guess when you're p4p fighter you don't have to fight anybody that doesn't always look great, it seems like mayweathers fans and or, the boxing public is buliding or i should say giving credit to mayweather without mayweather even being in the ring with the other big name fighters, i think it is funny and ludacris that mayweather is looked as such an invinsiable caliber fighter, when in my opinon he is showing signs of slowing down and hasn't fought any tough opponets since castillo how many of these fucking threads are you going to make. we all know you are a floyd hater so no need to keep running your mouth about why floyd isn't p4p. true boxing fans know.

pound for pound means the fighter would be just as good at a higher or lower weight then they are at. jermain taylor, has been a middle weight for a long ass time. i dont know why he gets a p4p ranking :confused: in p4p discussion that im aware of, it doesn't matter how long you've been at one weight - you can still be considered in the top 10, but you're right, p4p is basicly "the fighter would be just as good at a higher or lower weight then they are at"

pound for pound means the fighter would be just as good at a higher or lower weight then they are at. jermain taylor, has been a middle weight for a long ass time. i dont know why he gets a p4p ranking

No, not necessarily. Like we talked about, its your recent wins, your recent losses, and the type of wins you have. See, barrera has looked unimpressive in his past few fights, the loss to pac and the bad showing against peden. Floyd however has a quality win over zab, and ko win over mitchell, whos a decent opponent, and a great win over gatti. Add those recent wins, with the type of domination he has displayed, as well as the fact he has beaten many championship fighers WHILE moving up in weight, he deserves the number one spot. Thats how i calculated it. i don't hold too much weight in those wins, though floyd looked good....but judah having lost his last fight then the judah fight doesn't count much cause then i can say, baldomier had judah in worst trouble, but in this fight judah was the one who looked better coming off his loss to baldomier, the mitchell fight is where i started noticing floyds flaws i thought it was do to inactivity but i saw it against judah so i belive taylor win is more worthy then judah, mitchel or gatti, mayweather could have fought margarito or hatton and i'd have no problem with him being #1 im not saying floyd is not skilled he is highly skilled but like all great warriors their comes a time when they slowly start to show signs of slowing down, in this instance in my opinion it could be do to floyds inactivity

so then barrera is p4p #1 is that what you're saying :confused: No, not necessarily. Like we talked about, its your recent wins, your recent losses, and the type of wins you have. See, barrera has looked unimpressive in his past few fights, the loss to pac and the bad showing against peden. Floyd however has a quality win over zab, and ko win over mitchell, whos a decent opponent, and a great win over gatti. Add those recent wins, with the type of domination he has displayed, as well as the fact he has beaten many championship fighers WHILE moving up in weight, he deserves the number one spot. Thats how i calculated it.

Ya but what about vs roy? Career accomplishments need to count for something. Hows this. Ill break it down like the ring breaks it down, number of wins over championship opponents. I forget the exact numbers, but i know Floyd has 8 wins, winky has 3 wins, taylor has 2 wins and MAB is first with 11. Floyd is second. To me, thats a pretty good indicatior of p4p standings. so then barrera is p4p #1 is that what you're saying :confused:

but i think taylor looked better beating hopkins then tarver beating glenn Ya but what about vs roy? Career accomplishments need to count for something. Hows this. Ill break it down like the ring breaks it down, number of wins over championship opponents. I forget the exact numbers, but i know Floyd has 8 wins, winky has 3 wins, taylor has 2 wins and MAB is first with 11. Floyd is second. To me, thats a pretty good indicatior of p4p standings.

Do you have any big names in mind, or just a blanket approach? I find it hard to believe some big name fighter hasn't hired you yet for your uncanny ability to watch tapes in slow motion and point out the opportune time to hit PBF. "take a look at those fights again, look at mayweather shoulders, look where his defence is and when he brings up his guard, study those fight and look for errors, where would you punch floyd in retaliation to his punchs thrown or him having his guard, like i said study those fights, i can't explaining to good what i see, but i know in my opinon floyd is showing signs of slowing down, and as i mentioned before it could be that he is too inactive, he may need to fight more to keep his skills sharp" Sheer brilliance. let me ask you what makes floyd a p4p fight his skills or his quality of opponets? he can fight, margarito, hatton, then if he pass's by these guys by then cotto and castillo or corrales whomever wins deserves a rematch. im sure you hold a light to floyd don't you? you act as if floyd has no flaws, just take a look at what judah was able to do to him, that fight was close, your boy is slipping and don't worry im not taking your job, you keep on training your fighters, my opinions shouldn't scare you

i guess when you're p4p fighter you don't have to fight anybody that doesn't always look great, it seems like mayweathers fans and or, the boxing public is buliding or i should say giving credit to mayweather without mayweather even being in the ring with the other big name fighters, i think it is funny and ludacris that mayweather is looked as such an invinsiable caliber fighter, when in my opinon he is showing signs of slowing down and hasn't fought any tough opponets since castillo Do you have any big names in mind, or just a blanket approach? I find it hard to believe some big name fighter hasn't hired you yet for your uncanny ability to watch tapes in slow motion and point out the opportune time to hit PBF. "take a look at those fights again, look at mayweather shoulders, look where his defence is and when he brings up his guard, study those fight and look for errors, where would you punch floyd in retaliation to his punchs thrown or him having his guard, like i said study those fights, i can't explaining to good what i see, but i know in my opinon floyd is showing signs of slowing down, and as i mentioned before it could be that he is too inactive, he may need to fight more to keep his skills sharp" Sheer brilliance.

Tarver beat Roy jones twice. In addition to that, he beat Glen Johnson in a close but clear decision after losing a disputed split decision. He beat the top two men in his division. but i think taylor looked better beating hopkins then tarver beating glenn

i look at it like this, he beat hopkins Tarver beat Roy jones twice. In addition to that, he beat Glen Johnson in a close but clear decision after losing a disputed split decision. He beat the top two men in his division.