Hopkins/Jones jr./Toney

Jones jr. Hopkins/Toney (want to see what happens next to decide) Jones beat them both fair and square, and when in the future someone will look at his record, people will say: f-+k! this guy beat HOPKINS and TONEY. He must have been awesome! although the more I boxed and the more I watched boxing, the more i liked toney or hop stylewise better than rj (probably I am just jealous, because I slowly realized that the psyco-physical talents required to fight like jones are really exceptional). Also no one could hand Jones his ass until he was 35. toney has as much natural talent as RJJ, it's just that he doesn't have the dazzling speed. u could rate them all based on talent or based on career, but the ratings would be different, hopkins has the least natural talent but he's smarter than jones or toney

1. Bernard Hopkins 2. Roy Jones 3. James Toney

Jones jr. Hopkins/Toney (want to see what happens next to decide) Jones beat them both fair and square, and when in the future someone will look at his record, people will say: f-+k! this guy beat HOPKINS and TONEY. He must have been awesome! although the more I boxed and the more I watched boxing, the more i liked toney or hop stylewise better than rj (probably I am just jealous, because I slowly realized that the psyco-physical talents required to fight like jones are really exceptional). Also no one could hand Jones his ass until he was 35.

Ferocity how old was Leonard when he lost to Camacho? Don't compare that to how Winky dominated Tito because Tito was younger then Winky. And all these comparisons don't work anyway because all these people had way more name wins then Margorito, why would somebody on the elite level be afraid of him? They just don't want high risk low reward fights,he hasn't eben been in there with an A level fighter. He's good but there is still more to see on him and you know that. damn, sounds like you are talking about winky, you must be talking about winky....

Ferocity how old was Leonard when he lost to Camacho? Don't compare that to how Winky dominated Tito because Tito was younger then Winky. And all these comparisons don't work anyway because all these people had way more name wins then Margorito, why would somebody on the elite level be afraid of him? They just don't want high risk low reward fights,he hasn't eben been in there with an A level fighter. He's good but there is still more to see on him and you know that.

definately jones huh? i like watching him fight nobodies that would fall down if jones farted in their direction. and as far as him beating toney and hopkins, there is a reason why they didnt get rematches. that reason is that they would have his number and both would have beaten him. playa..I totally agree with you on that...he ran from those rematches...fucking pussy!!!

Defintly Jones Jr. Watch a fucking tape or something Toney His defense is prolific, his offesnse puzzeling and he can fucking box! B_HOP he dominated a divison for like 20 years ;) and is the fucking executioner(would be higher had he did what jr and toney did by gaining titles in different divisions 4+ each) There all awesome but thats how it is and should look definately jones huh? i like watching him fight nobodies that would fall down if jones farted in their direction. and as far as him beating toney and hopkins, there is a reason why they didnt get rematches. that reason is that they would have his number and both would have beaten him.

Rosewood , but when Roy beat Hopkins weren't they similar in age if anything Hopkins slightly older? I see your points but I go with Roy above Hopkins because he did beat him and it wasn't that close. yea playa but hop got started late...Roy won and no it wasnt close but what happen when Hop took over the MW class..Roy ran because he knew he would get beat up by Hop...Roy simply ran from that boy..if roy was such a bad ass he would have shut hop up..hop called him after for 10yrs and roy just ignored him...thats pussy foot

Ferocity, you act like I said that Winky had to be the greatest or something I stated he was ducked and IF he beats Taylor he deserves to have a legacy. He has 1 clear and uncontreversial decision and some very good wins and hasn't loss a fight in a long time. What about that is incorrect from a History standpoint? I like Tito's fights and he was a very good fighters,but he was exposed by other elite fighters who could box(Oscar,Hopkins,Wright) and Pernell even tho he beat the older Pernell.Is there something incorrect about that? And Winky did dominate him and he did take defeat bad often retiring despite not being shot. And Winky's 4 yrs older or so so that he was aging thing is irrelevant. Notice how when Oscar loss to Hopkins some judges had him winning he just was the smaller man. When Tito loss he was dominated and had no answers or adjustments and those are facts. so too was ray leonard dominated by hector camacho and that a fact! Margarito hasn't lost at welterweight in a long time and is being ducked by welterweight champions, these are facts! stick to one thread, lets not jump threads and ruin other peoples threads

Rosewood , but when Roy beat Hopkins weren't they similar in age if anything Hopkins slightly older? I see your points but I go with Roy above Hopkins because he did beat him and it wasn't that close.

Ferocity, you act like I said that Winky had to be the greatest or something I stated he was ducked and IF he beats Taylor he deserves to have a legacy. He has 1 clear and uncontreversial decision and some very good wins and hasn't loss a fight in a long time. What about that is incorrect from a History standpoint? I like Tito's fights and he was a very good fighters,but he was exposed by other elite fighters who could box(Oscar,Hopkins,Wright) and Pernell even tho he beat the older Pernell.Is there something incorrect about that? And Winky did dominate him and he did take defeat bad often retiring despite not being shot. And Winky's 4 yrs older or so so that he was aging thing is irrelevant. Notice how when Oscar loss to Hopkins some judges had him winning he just was the smaller man. When Tito loss he was dominated and had no answers or adjustments and those are facts.

Rosewood is this your ranking? It's fine just making sure you know I meant over their careers because you listed there most recent fight's. They've all had good career's so there is no wrong answer. Hopkin-always fought and beat the best...lost to roy when he was young but roy was afraid to face his again..held the title for some years..20 something defenses...thats great..age just got him.. toney-fought the bet and beat the best..held the title for a very long time, until roy came along...continued to move up in class and is unbeated since he left MW..and just look at his record...he is always fighting and never taking off. Roy-beat both above boxers but hop was younger...toney just simply got beat..held titles in pretty much every class but never really fought the best available boxer...when the best came, he lost..

Defintly Jones Jr. Watch a fucking tape or something Toney His defense is prolific, his offesnse puzzeling and he can fucking box! B_HOP he dominated a divison for like 20 years ;) and is the fucking executioner(would be higher had he did what jr and toney did by gaining titles in different divisions 4+ each) There all awesome but thats how it is and should look

Roy Jones Jr. Bernard Hopkins James Toney Toney's career has been puzzling, and Hopkins' biggest wins were against welterweights. Jones beat them both. Thus my rankings.

I agree with you on this ferocity if I could just get you to loosen up on my boy Winky!lol but yea Roy over Hopkins because of the head to head. But would you put Toney below Roy because of the loss to Roy? I actually like Toney better but can't ignore Roy clearly beating him, history doesn't allow me to aggree with you about winky :boxing:

I agree with you on this ferocity if I could just get you to loosen up on my boy Winky!lol but yea Roy over Hopkins because of the head to head. But would you put Toney below Roy because of the loss to Roy? I actually like Toney better but can't ignore Roy clearly beating him,

Jones, Hopkins, Toney.

1. james toney 2. roy jones jr. 3. bernard hopkins actually, jones should be number #1 or at least tie with toney since jones did beat toney, but based on quality of opponets toney ranks higher, but i'll edit and go with 1. tie toney and jones jr. 2. hopkins

RJJ - To many divisions and belts to count. #/# best fighter for a decade. 2nd person to move up to take heavyweight championship. Hopkins - Cleaned out the Middle Weight Division. Champ for a LONG time. Toney - He was the #/# fighter before Jones and a great boxer.

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