To 20 p4p since 1980

Well, there's no Tyson because he's a heavyweight and the Pound-4-pound concept was created specifically for non-heavies. That's not to say a heavyweight can't be on a p4p list; but I find it difficult to do so. There's no Duran because he started out in the 1960's and by the time the 1980's came around he was sporatic with his great performances. There is a Hagler on the list. There's no Hearns because I didn't think he made the Top 10. Oh and Leonard, I do believe, was the best p4p fighter we've seen since 1980. very true he had lighting speed and power all the way up to 160.

HW's should not be in p4p lists unless they started out at a lower weight. well yeah thats true. but i also think it should be considered if they can do things that lower weight class can do and the average heavyweight cant do. ya get me

How do you have Micheal Spinks on there and not Tyson, no duran, hagler or hearns, this is no where near perfect and if you put SRL as number 1 youve destroyed your entire list there! Well its your opinion so whatever, but this is no where near PERFACT, see no where near PERFACT (perfect) ;) Well, there's no Tyson because he's a heavyweight and the Pound-4-pound concept was created specifically for non-heavies. That's not to say a heavyweight can't be on a p4p list; but I find it difficult to do so. There's no Duran because he started out in the 1960's and by the time the 1980's came around he was sporatic with his great performances. There is a Hagler on the list. There's no Hearns because I didn't think he made the Top 10. Oh and Leonard, I do believe, was the best p4p fighter we've seen since 1980.

Actually, I might put McCallum ahead of Jones. I know it was the end of his career, but simply the way ROy beat him makes it difficult for me at least, to put him above Roy.

i still think tyson should be number 1. dude had welterweight handspeed,middleweight footspeed and his power is above most heavyweights ever. :eek: You do make a good point concerning Tyson; but I have a tendency to be extremely tough on heavyweights when it comes to p4p lists. The phrase pound-for-pound was created specifically for non-heavyweights to ascertain their overall worth. So, for me, putting a heavyweight at the top of the list is equivalent to a camel fitting through the eye of a needle. However, Tyson was talented enought that that argument could be made for him, just as it could be made for Ali.

i still think tyson should be number 1. dude had welterweight handspeed,middleweight footspeed and his power is above most heavyweights ever. :eek: HW's should not be in p4p lists unless they started out at a lower weight.

i still think tyson should be number 1. dude had welterweight handspeed,middleweight footspeed and his power is above most heavyweights ever. :eek:

A near perfect list, although I would have put Chavez up a few notches. You know...you're right. Whitaker and Chavez should go above Pryor. Thanks for pointing that out.

1) Floyd Mayweather 2) Pernell Whitaker 3) Roy Jones 4) Mike McCallum 5) James Toney 6) Michael Nunn 7) Roberto Duran 8) Ray Leonard 9) Mike Tyson 10) Julio Cesar Chavez 11) Thomas Hearns 12) Marvin Hagler 13) Naseem Hamed 14) Kostya Tszyu 15) Michael Spinks 16) Oscar De La Hoya 17) Felix Trinidad 18) Joe Calzaghe 19) Ricardo Lopez 20) Gerald McClellan Wow, JuyJuy, i actully think you have a pretty damn good list.

This is dificult considering p4p is such a hard term to use when discussing some people who didn't fluctuate weight classes, or long careers. It's also dificult considering I can't determine whether to use fighters who fought into the 80's or started/peaked in the 80's. In no order: Hopkins RJJ Mayweather Jr Tszyu Hagler Ray Leanord Pryor Lewis Pacqiao Toney Holyfield Holmes Duran ODLH Hearns Whitaker MAB Nelson Benitez JCC I think that's 20, but I'm too lazy to count.

tyson leonard hagler lewis holyfield duran hearns sanchez chavez delahoya trinidad jones toney pryor mayweather hopkins taylor pacquiao morales barrera I think it would be wise to learn about how the original pound for pound list was created before you post.

1 Hagler 2 Leonard 3 Whitaker 4 Chavez 5 De La Hoya 6 Hearns 7 Roy Jones 8 Ricardo Lopez 9 Nelson 10 Holyfield 11 Duran 12 Pryor 13 Tyson 14 Trinidad 15 Barrera 16 Toney 17 Arguello 18 Spinks 19 Holmes 20 Nunn opps I left out Hopkins, he should be top 15 no doubt and Larry Holmes should be higher.

Duran Hagler Floyd Mayweather Jr Suger Ray Tyson Oscar De La Hayo Corrales Castillo Lennex Shane Mosely Vinny Paz Pennral Whitaker Hearn Nigel Benn Chris Eubank McClanne Erik Morales B Hopkins Nassem Hamed Kassim Ouma

if we were adding active fighters or fighters who still have life left i would have put morales and barrera in there...replacing my last two on the list and mixing up a few spots there. Morales would be in the 8-14 range...barrera in the 15-20 range.

I am counting stuff from the 70s if the fighter fought in the 80s too in no particular order hagler jones jr spinks whitaker duran leonard nelson sanchez arguello gomez chavez toney hopkins holyfield (not the best HW, but the best HW p4p) I am not completely sure of the following cos I am afraid I might be forgetting someone who's better zoo mccallum lewis de la hoya hearns tito eubank mayweather jr

Roberto Duran Evander Holyfield Marvin Hagler Lennox Lewis Sugar Ray Leonard Floyd Mayweather Bernard Hopkins Roy Jones Jr. Felix Trinidad Johnny Tapia JC Chavez Pernell Whitaker James Toney Ricardo Lopez Erik Morales Marco Antonio Barrera Daniel Zaragoza Azumah Nelson Mike Tyson Jose Luis Castillo There is simply no way you can rank Bhop or Floyd above roy at this point. Also, Pernell was the number 1 p4p for much of the 90's. He should be much higher on the list.

How do you have Micheal Spinks on there and not Tyson, no duran, hagler or hearns, this is no where near perfect and if you put SRL as number 1 youve destroyed your entire list there! Well its your opinion so whatever, but this is no where near PERFACT, see no where near PERFACT (perfect) ;) dude michael spinks is one of the greatest lhw of all time (beating everyone in what was probably the best generation of 175ers ever)

say dude, thats a nice list except Tito & Chavez have got to replace Sugar L & Holy. are you actually suggesting that tito is a better fighter than ray leonard?

Roberto Duran Evander Holyfield Marvin Hagler Lennox Lewis Sugar Ray Leonard Floyd Mayweather Bernard Hopkins Roy Jones Jr. Felix Trinidad Johnny Tapia JC Chavez Pernell Whitaker James Toney Ricardo Lopez Erik Morales Marco Antonio Barrera Daniel Zaragoza Azumah Nelson Mike Tyson Jose Luis Castillo

re PBF34: yes, i am aware of the p4p system. it started with benny leonard - who didn't move up in weight but did beat larger man. re oldgringo: fair enough, i was just stating my opinion. i don't rate whitaker top 10-12 p4p, rather around 20-25 but i won't argue. he was a great fighter who always fought on his own terms - so it's very tough to root against him, especially in these mythical matchups. i would give him the benefit of the doubt against most welterweights, but not all. like ive said, the old timers of the past were just so authentically tough unlike the coddled guys of today. it also seems the fighters you listed up top we could list as some of the 'greats' of the 80s and 90s and beyond seem to me to be the premier ATHLETES of the era in boxing - Whitaker, Leonard, Hearns, Jones, Pryor, DLH etc. all these men basically purveyed their trade with massive physical advantages (possibly in a couple of cases artificially induced but thats another story) which often led to them seeming head and shoulders above their contemporaries. for me, at least, i almost always include arguello, duran, chavez, lopez near the top because they represented the lost arts of boxing (nowadays). feinting/bodypunching. But once again like I said, if I could consider accomplishments in any part of the 70's, guys like Arguello and Benitez would move up. Arguello was one of the most lethal, precise punchers I've ever seen in a ring. After the 80's, he beat Boza Edwards, Navarette, Mancini, and Ramirez....but I can't really remember him doing anythign else besides the unbelievably close loss to Mr. Pryor. I love technitians like him and McCallum. They perfect their craft and turn that into pain for their opponents.