My Floyd, Oscar, and Margarito Thoughts!

DLT20y ago

Its Long but trust me, its worth it! Why is this such news to everyone? Im surprised that it was even being reported by Arum and the media that Floyd vs Margarito was a definte sure thing. This is about big money fights plain and simple. Floyd has let it be known for a few years now that he wants Oscar but Oscar always said he wouldnt fight Floyd until recently. The reason why I have always thought that these July & August dates for a Margarito fight was a joke is because Floyd would never make that fight without seeing what Oscar is going to do 1st. 1st off Floyd wants to see if Oscar beats Mayorga. Then after that he wants to know what Oscar's plan is because Oscar has a history of always wanting to fight in September for some Ethnic Holiday that I cant think of. Therefore I knew that everything Arum was saying was a joke. How can people get mad at Floyd over this? Margarito is a great fight but Floyd would make so much more money & fame by fighting Oscar and this is the best chance he has ever had to do it. Hes not going to turn that down until its a last resort. No one even knows who Margarito is except for us hard core boxing fans. You even heard Stephen A. Smith ask "Whats next for Floyd and Im not talking about this Margarito guy, whoever he is". Even he doesnt know him and he "claims" to be a boxing junky. Also, the media and fans need to stop listening to Arum. This guy has been crooked for so long but gets over shadowed by King. Arum is probally worst them him now. He said he offered Floyd 8mil for the Margarito fight but he's lied before and he could easily be lying now but even if he is telling the truth then you know Oscar would give Floyd way more then that. Then you have Floyd that has had a history of problems with Arum and hadnt been able to fight on PPV until recently. Then we all know that Oscar hates Arum guts and will never make a deal with him, so thats why Floyd has left Arum so he can get the big fight with Oscar, plus doesnt have to give Arum a cut, and Floyd wanted to leave him anyway. The bottom line is that Floyd makes more money and gets "way" more fame fighting Oscar then Margarito and he still has time to fight Margarito but he knows the Oscar fight needs to happened now because he doesnt have much time left. If Oscar loses to Mayorga like he very well could, then Floyd might and probally will fight Margarito if the numbers are really 8mil like Arum says. I just cant see how people really believe that Floyd is running from Margarito. Do you really think Floyd is scared of him? Do you really think that if Margarito was the man, made all the money, and had all the fame that Floyd wouldnt be jumping at him? Thats what its all about and again, I dont believe Arum's figures. Just think about how big a fight with the Golden Boy and the pound for pound, undefeated, best fighter in the world would be? Add to that Oscar coming off a great win over Mayorga, Floyd probally moving up to 154 where he will be really small, Floyd Sr. training Oscar, and them fighting in L.A. where Oscar is from and because of the Las Vegas suspension. Add to that they could sell it as Oscar's last fight no matter what and its against the best in the world? That fight would make Millions. Floyd isnt dumb. This is a much bigger fight then Margarito. Think about this Headline: Oscar's last fight of his career, going out trying to be maybe the greatest of his generation, fighting at Home in the Staples Center, the place where some might say was his 1st "real" loss against another young speedy Champ moving up in the Pound for Pound King Floyd Mayweather Jr., with Floyd Sr. as Oscar's Trainer. The last time to see one of the greats in Oscar, and if there is anyone that knows how to beat Jr., its Sr. Dont miss this PPV special. This thing will be sold out because its a big fight, all Oscars followers from L.A. will be there, and everyone will buy it because of all thee above and you know the women want to see Oscar for the last time against the Pretty Boy with the Perfect Smile. Floyd wins that fight and he's boxing's next big thing. He will be on every show, Magazine Cover, and all his fights from here on out will be sold out and on PPV. Some people still wont know him before that fight but after watching him and seeing all the things people say about him then he would instantly be considered one of the greatest of All Time. Couple that with the fact he is changing his Image and you will have Sugar Ray Leonard all over again. Margarito cant do that for him, this is a no brainer. The bottome line is that Floyd has wanted the Oscar fight for years and before Margarito came anywhere in the picture so for someone to say he is ducking Margarito for Oscar is a joke. After every fight Floyds calls for Oscar and he always lets it be known that he is his #1 priorty over anyone else and we all know why. Why is Floyd being ripped for something that every fighter wants to do. You talk to anyone around that weight class and they will all tell you that they want Oscar over anyone else and we all know why. No one else brings anyway near close to that money and fame. Besides, him & Oscar may have already talked about this fight on the low and Oscar probally said that we can make a deal if you cut Arum loose. Thats probally why Floyd has been talking to his dad more lately. They all want this fight. Oscar never wanted Floyd at 1st because he has Arum and thats the same reason why Oscar wont fight Margarito. Oscar also never wanted it because his dad trained him, Floyd was too small, and Floyd wasnt a big enough name in the main stream but now Floyd has dropped Arum atleast for this fight, Floyd has gained weight, Floyd is more famous now then he's ever been, Floyd is now for the 1st time universally recognized as the #1 guy out there, and his dad isnt a huge factor because they dont really talk much and its Oscars last fight so it doesnt matter anyway. Oscar is a money maker and he knows this is the fight to go out on and end his career. He could make close to as much as he ever made, he will be fighting a smaller guy, and you better believe that he is imagining how great it would be to beat the #1 guy and retire on top. His legacy would be set. Another thing is why would Floyd have more fear of Margarito then a Oscar at 154 when Margarito couldnt even beat Santos at 154 and Oscar would kill him? That doesnt make sense, does it? PS- The bottom line is people are ripping Oscar but why? Because he lost at 160 where he shouldve never been in the 1st place? If he beats Mayorga then that wouldve meant he has beaten Vargas, Mayorga, and "really" beat Shane at 154. I think he is just being over ripped for the lost to Hopkins and poor performance to Sturm because he never shouldve been there anyway. I think a Oscar-Floyd fight will look totally different to people if he beats Mayorga. If he did that then alot of people would pick Oscar in that fight. Alot of people on here are already unimpressed with Floyd at 147, he only weighed 146 for the fight, so you know that alot of people would go against him for a fight at 154 against a guy who has had alot of big wins there. 2 is I think that Floyd and his people think that Oscar is the harder fight. Everyone is talking about Oscar's losses but they were at higher weights. Add to that Floyd came in at only 146 for his last fight so Oscar would be much bigger then him at 154.

Comments (20)

Mech

well who else could Floyd have fought? There is no one at 140 or 147 that he couldve fought and didnt except for Vivian Harris but we all know he's a joke. Hatton turned him down and Cotto wasnt ready He didnt have to make the jump to 147.I mean,i see now he gunning for oscar and all,or Judah at first.But whos Margarito gonna fight @147 if nobodys gunning for him?I mean the only decent fight I can see coming Margarito's way is Judah,which I wouldnt mind seeing(Maybe Cintron again? He had a good win over estrada and is with Manny Steward now). Whos your pick in a Margarito-Judah fight? I think Marg would wreck Judah, personally. And just to clarify man,Im not trying to "talk shit" about Mayweather,hes made me a fan,but I think too many people write off Margarito for no reason.

20y ago

DLT

A valid point,IF youre saying Margarito-Floyd should happen @154,which i dont get,both guys are just better @147(Well floyd at even lower weights,but I mean if they had to meet)And I also have to look at Margarito's Point of view,its a better career move to stay @147. Besides all that,shit,who did Floyd fight @ 147? Sharmba!? Obviously the best comp he faced there was Judah,a fight,that to me,lost ALL its luster when Judah lost to Baldomir.Even @ 140 you could make a case that Mayweather could have faced better competition,so I personally wouldnt get all picky about what comp Margarito has faced,and I dont agree that he has to move up to make a name for himself and only then get a fight with floyd. well who else could Floyd have fought? There is no one at 140 or 147 that he couldve fought and didnt except for Vivian Harris but we all know he's a joke. Hatton turned him down and Cotto wasnt ready

20y ago

Mech

You might say, "well 147 is his division and where he's best at". So. Floyd's best division is clearly 140 but he's still fighting guys at 147 and now he wants to go to 154. If Margarito cant beat guys up there or wont fight them then whos loss is it? Trust me that no one at 154 is ducking him but he wont go up there because he's not way bigger then those guys and he knows he will get exposed. He depends on his tremendous size advantage to beat the guys at 147 which most of them have come from lower divisions. If he wants the big boys then move up. If he wants the big money then move up A valid point,IF youre saying Margarito-Floyd should happen @154,which i dont get,both guys are just better @147(Well floyd at even lower weights,but I mean if they had to meet)And I also have to look at Margarito's Point of view,its a better career move to stay @147. Besides all that,shit,who did Floyd fight @ 147? Sharmba!? Obviously the best comp he faced there was Judah,a fight,that to me,lost ALL its luster when Judah lost to Baldomir.Even @ 140 you could make a case that Mayweather could have faced better competition,so I personally wouldnt get all picky about what comp Margarito has faced,and I dont agree that he has to move up to make a name for himself and only then get a fight with floyd.

20y ago

DLT

I do.And i think If you look at the Margarito posts here,people still pretty much think the same they did before the fight. Im not trying to hype up Margarito(and lets not hype up maryorga either),but you know,alot of people say Marg should fight some bigger names before he gets a shot at floyd.But theres no fighters dying to fight Margarito. Im looking forward to Floyd fighting oscar,who wouldnt? But Im looking forward to it just as much as I am to Margarito getting a shot at Floyd at this point. Well I said it last time, if he wants the big fights then all he has to do is move up in weight. If Floyd fights Oscar at 154 then let Margarito fight somone up there and then they can meet up if he gets that win over guys who would definatly fight him like Ouma. You might say, "well 147 is his division and where he's best at". So. Floyd's best division is clearly 140 but he's still fighting guys at 147 and now he wants to go to 154. If Margarito cant beat guys up there or wont fight them then whos loss is it? Trust me that no one at 154 is ducking him but he wont go up there because he's not way bigger then those guys and he knows he will get exposed. He depends on his tremendous size advantage to beat the guys at 147 which most of them have come from lower divisions. If he wants the big boys then move up. If he wants the big money then move up

20y ago

Mech

Again, whats the scarier fight for Floyd? Oscar at 154 or Margarito at 147? I say the Oscar fight is way more dangerous Well i think they represent simlar threats,Im not trying to compare margarito to oscar.Margarito is just looking like a killer @147,if anything Id say the Margarito fight @147 is a little more unpredictable(and if were talking about size diffrences,margarito is a big man at 147),Marg is strong and he's a hungry,hungry fighter.I wasnt dying to see oscar-floyd before the Mayo fight,and yeah his TKO win makes it a little more enticing but personally It didnt change my opinion of the outcome,I still fully expect oscar to lose.

20y ago

Mech

You think it will still cut deep after Oscar just killed Mayorga? I do.And i think If you look at the Margarito posts here,people still pretty much think the same they did before the fight. Im not trying to hype up Margarito(and lets not hype up maryorga either),but you know,alot of people say Marg should fight some bigger names before he gets a shot at floyd.But theres no fighters dying to fight Margarito. Im looking forward to Floyd fighting oscar,who wouldnt? But Im looking forward to it just as much as I am to Margarito getting a shot at Floyd at this point.

20y ago

DLT

yeah,did you read about Margarito confronting floyd saying "What about me?" and they had to be seperated? I really enjoyed last nights fight,and Im looking forward to DLH-Mayweather. BUT I stil very much want to see Margarito fight Mayweather,,and I still dont believe DLH will beat Mayweather(wheres the fucking jab, oscar?) and I think it will cut deep to many fans out there if Margarito gets the shaft and that fight never happens. You think it will still cut deep after Oscar just killed Mayorga? Again, whats the scarier fight for Floyd? Oscar at 154 or Margarito at 147? I say the Oscar fight is way more dangerous

20y ago

Mech

Floyd again just said the same thing Ive been saying. "If Oscar wants to go out on top being the best, I believe on Sept. 16 we must meet," Mayweather said. "It‘s about legacy." yeah,did you read about Margarito confronting floyd saying "What about me?" and they had to be seperated? I really enjoyed last nights fight,and Im looking forward to DLH-Mayweather. BUT I stil very much want to see Margarito fight Mayweather,,and I still dont believe DLH will beat Mayweather(wheres the fucking jab, oscar?) and I think it will cut deep to many fans out there if Margarito gets the shaft and that fight never happens.

20y ago

DLT

Floyd again just said the same thing Ive been saying. "If Oscar wants to go out on top being the best, I believe on Sept. 16 we must meet," Mayweather said. "It‘s about legacy."

20y ago

bdevils

=======How can people get mad at Floyd over this?============ ** The only ones mad at Floyd are the few fans he has left. The rest of us are laughin. The man is running scared. Oscar can fight ANYONE he wants and fighting Hatton if Hatton makes it past Collazo would be a HUGE international fight with double the gate of what Sissyboy Floyd would bring. Guess what, Oscar is all about money, but unlike Sissyboy, he actually knows how to make some. Sissyboy Floyd will be fighting nobody for peanuts! you are a true idiot, hatton is overated as hell. please don't ever type anything on here again

20y ago

DLT

Bump, Look at these 2 things that I wrote 2 weeks ago. Mech, was I right? and they say Oscar vs Floyd in September like I predicted ---------------------------------------------------------------- "People are ripping Oscar but why? Because he lost at 160 where he shouldve never been in the 1st place? If he beats Mayorga then that wouldve meant he has beaten Vargas, Mayorga, and "really" beat Shane at 154. I think he is just being over ripped for the lost to Hopkins and poor performance to Sturm because he never shouldve been there anyway. I think a Oscar-Floyd fight will look totally different to people if he beats Mayorga. If he did that then alot of people would pick Oscar in that fight. Alot of people on here are already unimpressed with Floyd at 147, he only weighed 146 for the fight, so you know that alot of people would go against him for a fight at 154 against a guy who has had alot of big wins there". "2 is I think that Floyd and his people think that Oscar is the harder fight. Everyone is talking about Oscar's losses but they were at higher weights. Add to that Floyd came in at only 146 for his last fight so Oscar would be much bigger then him at 154".

20y ago

RipTheJacker

I agree^^ IMO Margarito should hope to Zab or fight Vernon Forrest, Ike Quartey, or try to get lucky and catch Hatton. PBF vs. Golden Boy has to happen now. PBF like Oscar came from 130. A catch-weight of 150 would even out the bigger/smaller weight situation. At 147, Mayweather is too quick and too hard to hit for Oscar. At 154 Oscar has the advantage. But Floyd still has a shot. I see something like the Whitaker fight only Floyd should have more pop. And Dela Hoya may not be as hungry. The fight will be legendary.

20y ago

DLT

Yeah if it worked out that way itd be fine,I think most people feel Margarito will get the shaft because hes been avoided for a while now,Even if you take Floyd out of the picture,any other top fighters at his weight know its a risky fight,and I dont think will be willing to fight him. True but I dont know if he's been as avoided as people say. Hes just in a division that never had much when he came along. King had Mayorga, Spinks, Zab and he wanted all them to fight eachother because he doesnt get along with Arum and he could keep all the money. Other then them, who else could Margarito fight. People keep talking about him but alot of it is really his own fought. Peep this, when fighters have nothing around them, what do they do? They move up or down. He cant move down because he's too big. He moved up to 154 and fought the easiest guy there and lost. He can go to 154 right now and get a ton of fights. What difference doew the belt make? He goes to 154 and he could fight, Kamazin, Ouma, Ike, Forrest, and whoever. Now I think guys will come to 147 so he should have more options. I bet anything that Zab will fight him now but he probally wouldnt fight Zab anymore. Hatton could fight him but I also doubt that one because its too dangerous with nothing to gain. My point is guys keep making excuses for him about hes only good at 147. Whos fault is that? If all the other top fighters can move up in weight then why cant he? Floyd started at 130 and has to fight him at 147 but Margarito cant even move up once? Also if anyone could move up it should be him. The guy looks like the biggest welterweight in history. Thats the only reason why he's beating guys. He goes up to 154 and he didnt hurt a soft guy like Santos once. That to me proves he is overrated. Everyone changes weight classes except for him. Those names I had on that list are all way better then Santos, so how do you think he would do against them?

20y ago

Mech

Dont get me wrong, as a hard core boxing fan I would also rather see the Margarito fight but the more I think about it, the more I do like a Oscar fight if he can beat Mayorga. People are ripping Oscar but why? Because he lost at 160 where he shouldve never been in the 1st place? If he beats Mayorga then that wouldve meant he has beaten Vargas, Mayorga, and "really" beat Shane at 154. I think he is just being over ripped for the lost to Hopkins and poor performance to Sturm because he never shouldve been there anyway. I think a Oscar-Floyd fight will look totally different to people if he beats Mayorga. If he did that then alot of people would pick Oscar in that fight. Alot of people on here are already unimpressed with Floyd at 147, he only weighed 146 for the fight, so you know that alot of people would go against him for a fight at 154 against a guy who has had alot of big wins there. Yeah he's been inactive for over a year.I mean that fact alone should tell you that oscar simply cant be the same fighter.On top of that hes 2 fights away from retirement. Now I agree that a Margarito fight is probally bigger but here is where I disagree with you. You are still speaking as a boxing fan and we all know that a win over Oscar isnt as big as it use to be and probally wouldnt be as big as a win over Margarito but thats not what main stream people think. Main stream people still like Oscar, espically if he beats Mayorga, and they dont even know who Margarito is, so it may not be a bigger win but he will get much more fame for that Oscar win and will be in line to make much more money with a Oscar win then with a Margarito win because the mainstream fans will follow him more after a Oscar win but alot of them still wont watch the Margarito fight and Floyd will still be under the radar. I can see that,i dont disagree with you there,I was just stating a the fact that,that I dont really care for an Oscar fight with floyd now,well thats not entirely true,of course Id watch it,but it wouldnt be anything special to me.But yeah I know theres benefits to floyd here. I just think that he can fight Margarito after that fight. Why do people keep playing that off? Yeah if it worked out that way itd be fine,I think most people feel Margarito will get the shaft because hes been avoided for a while now,Even if you take Floyd out of the picture,any other top fighters at his weight know its a risky fight,and I dont think will be willing to fight him.

20y ago

DLT

lol,that is long. good point. I think that underlines my main issue with him not fighting margarito.Trying to pretend like Floyd fighting oscar now is as significant as it would have been if it happened years ago. Remeber when you said it was dumb that cotto didnt fight Harris,because he could have gotten credit for Knocking him out? Same deal here. I seriously,seriously,seriously doubt it.I wouldnt put much stock in a Floyd win,I dont see what reason there is to view it as that at this point. Im not saying Floyd is scared of Margarito,but if I wanted to make a case,I could say,because @147,Margarito is a beast. Dont get me wrong, as a hard core boxing fan I would also rather see the Margarito fight but the more I think about it, the more I do like a Oscar fight if he can beat Mayorga. People are ripping Oscar but why? Because he lost at 160 where he shouldve never been in the 1st place? If he beats Mayorga then that wouldve meant he has beaten Vargas, Mayorga, and "really" beat Shane at 154. I think he is just being over ripped for the lost to Hopkins and poor performance to Sturm because he never shouldve been there anyway. I think a Oscar-Floyd fight will look totally different to people if he beats Mayorga. If he did that then alot of people would pick Oscar in that fight. Alot of people on here are already unimpressed with Floyd at 147, he only weighed 146 for the fight, so you know that alot of people would go against him for a fight at 154 against a guy who has had alot of big wins there. Now I agree that a Margarito fight is probally bigger but here is where I disagree with you. You are still speaking as a boxing fan and we all know that a win over Oscar isnt as big as it use to be and probally wouldnt be as big as a win over Margarito but thats not what main stream people think. Main stream people still like Oscar, espically if he beats Mayorga, and they dont even know who Margarito is, so it may not be a bigger win but he will get much more fame for that Oscar win and will be in line to make much more money with a Oscar win then with a Margarito win because the mainstream fans will follow him more after a Oscar win but alot of them still wont watch the Margarito fight and Floyd will still be under the radar. I just think that he can fight Margarito after that fight. Why do people keep playing that off? Also alot of people hate Floyd so much that they boost up the Margarito fight but then if Floyd wins they will switch up and say, "well who has Margarito ever beat? He was just over hyped". Also I think it could all be for the better because Floyd could beat Oscar, and get more fame and then Margarito could fight a solid guy like Zab or Hatton and get more fame and then that they could fight around Christmas for a Huge fight that both would make way more then they would now

20y ago

Manny_P

if Oscar vs May gets made, all the Mayweather family will be on the ring at once. LOL!

20y ago

SAN_D13GO_VILLAN

Wouldnt it be funny if Delahoya beat Mayorga and decided to go wright instead of pretty boy??? I wonder what floyd would do then?

20y ago

deliveryman

=======How can people get mad at Floyd over this?============ ** The only ones mad at Floyd are the few fans he has left. The rest of us are laughin. The man is running scared. Oscar can fight ANYONE he wants and fighting Hatton if Hatton makes it past Collazo would be a HUGE international fight with double the gate of what Sissyboy Floyd would bring. Guess what, Oscar is all about money, but unlike Sissyboy, he actually knows how to make some. Sissyboy Floyd will be fighting nobody for peanuts! The depth at which Hatton's cock penetrates your ass is truly astounding.

20y ago

moochi

my thoughts out of this, is that it seems that only one of the three is not a corrupt fighter!!...and coincidently that is the guy that nobody wants to fight.......poor margarito!..

20y ago

LondonRingRules

20y ago