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** FatBoy stopped wearing the star of David because his expanding rumpside made the star look too small. Zabby and his family are a bunch of nutcases no different than the NOI. Black Israelites think along the lines of NOI "original man," in this case that earliest Jews were all black and that they are from the lost black tribe of Israel. They preach racial hatred on the corners of NYC and like the NOI have no religious history to back up any claims, but sort of picked and chose from a smorgasbord of religions to form their own. They both suck up the poor, downtrodden blacks who have little education or propects and do provide a network of support, a backbone if you will. Oddly enough a BI sect from Chicago immigrated to Israel back in the 60s. The Israelis scratched their heads, but gave them green cards to stay, isolated them in a small area, and put restrictions on travel and work. Not sure how they survived, but eventually they turned to music and became somewhat popular. Eventually they were allowed to earn citizenship with service in the Israeli military, so while they have never been mainstreamed there, they seem to be much happier with more restrictions than they would have in the US and have never abandoned their beliefs even though no their religion has no reconized status in Israel. As far as the rest of the nonsense concerning Palestinians and Ethiopian Jews, these involve complex understandings of politics, history, and race, and most of these poor forum saps have a hard time keeping their boxing facts straight, do let's not go there.

The Judahs are Israelites. They believe they are decended from the 12 tribes and have adopted many Jewish traditions. However, the Israelites believe that Jesus Christ was the messiah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_israelites I've seen a group of black guys in NYC preaching that they are the only true Jews. I guess they are this group you are referring to.

i remember..during the Ethiopian famine...there was a tribe of Ethopian jews who went to Israel as refugees....so there are legit black jews

Yeah, the Jews have suffered the most. Even today, there's conspiracies everywhere that Jews are masterminds behind every bad world event, that they masterminded October Revolution (Russia) and the French Revolution, etc. Not to mention the Holocaust... Don't forget 9/11.

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First off. This discussion is really sensitive. When I view al jazeera and see Palestini Children being run over by tanks, and they throw rocks in their only defense....because the Jewish government is retalitating for the death of 1 citizen...I get pissed off. Praise Hammas. Finally Palestine has some muscle to back them up. Jew life does not equal five hundred Palestini lives. Id rather not talk about this subject. All I will say is neither the Torah or the Quran preaches hatred. Its the people in charge. You are hispanic arn't you?

You got me all wrong. Dont bring the Palestinian people into this because I have my own opinion on that. Take a guess where I stand. I simply said they have suffered more than any other people, i nowhere brought up the palestinians or justified any oppression. If you forgot Im half Lebanonese. Do you really think Im going to justify oppression of my own people? Be real. First off. This discussion is really sensitive. When I view al jazeera and see Palestini Children being run over by tanks, and they throw rocks in their only defense....because the Jewish government is retalitating for the death of 1 citizen...I get pissed off. Praise Hammas. Finally Palestine has some muscle to back them up. Jew life does not equal five hundred Palestini lives. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Oh please. So that means it's ok for them to systematically oppress the Palestinians? Don't make this into a Jewish victim thread, before I start to rip. You got me all wrong. Dont bring the Palestinian people into this because I have my own opinion on that. Take a guess where I stand. I simply said they have suffered more than any other people, i nowhere brought up the palestinians or justified any oppression. If you forgot Im half Lebanonese. Do you really think Im going to justify oppression of my own people? Be real. I like you runningw/knives, but that was kind of funny.

No its definately a fact. Jews have been trampled on more than any other peoples. I dont know how anyone with a single brain cell can honestly disagree. They got the shit end of the stick for thousands of years. They have: -Enslaved by the Egyptians for over 400 years -Suffered genocide for thousands of years, most recently the Holocaust -They were slaughtered in mass by both the Christians and the Muslims in the Crusades -Blamed and murdered during the plague -blamed for Christ death, violence from that is still around Thats just off the top of my head. Name one group that has suffered more or longer. You can't. Oh please. So that means it's ok for them to systematically oppress the Palestinians? Don't make this into a Jewish victim thread, before I start to rip. They're the worlds biggest terrorists hands down. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Thats a huge statement, that I disaggree with. Im not saying they didn't have a difficult history -though I know little of it- but to say the "most difficult in history?" Many people of the past, different people have gone through a lot! Not just the jews. No its definately a fact. Jews have been trampled on more than any other peoples. I dont know how anyone with a single brain cell can honestly disagree. They got the shit end of the stick for thousands of years. They have: -Enslaved by the Egyptians for over 400 years -Suffered genocide for thousands of years, most recently the Holocaust -They were slaughtered in mass by both the Christians and the Muslims in the Crusades -Blamed and murdered during the plague -blamed for Christ death, violence from that is still around Thats just off the top of my head. Name one group that has suffered more or longer. You can't. The closest thing comparable is the African slave trade.

More like they beleive they are the descendents of the Israelites. :rolleyes: This will cause trouble but it is true, they are an insult. They are racist, they say hateful things to the real Jews. In all honesty they are African Americans that just call themselves the real Israelites with no blood history. I think they are the same people that claim the Anceint Egyptians were black aswell. Black people never claimed to be the decendents of the Israelites in the past, where would these people have come from? We all came from the same man and woman anyways. This may sound racist but its not, its just insulting to deny the Jewish people of their rightful struggle, who have had the most difficult history of any other peoples... Bar none. Note: Im not Jewish, but its a ridiculous claim. Im White / Arabian. Thats a huge statement, that I disaggree with. Im not saying they didn't have a difficult history -though I know little of it- but to say the "most difficult in history?" Many people of the past, different people have gone through a lot! Not just the jews.

Thus in 1800 Gabriel's slave conspiracy in Virginia identified themselves with the Israelites of the Old Testament, as was Denmark Vesey's attempted rebellion of 1822. However it was not until later in the nineteenth century that an identification as ancient Hebrews developed from identification with them. It was probley started by a slave who heard stories of the Exodus of Egypt from a Christian slave owner, I dont know how they managed that. He felt a relationship, the struggle against evil. The relationship is clearly there. The Jews struggled with the Egyptian slavemasters as the Africans struggled with theirs. Then someone heard the sories and declared every slave was a israelite. The Jewish people dont deny others of different races to join them, thats my problem with the black israelites. They say they are the only ones and deny the Jews thay have actually struggled with their religion. Thats what the religion is defined about, a constant struggle. And they dont have kind words for the real Jewish people.

Didn't James Toney used to wear the Star of David on his trunks? Whatever happened to that.

The Judahs are Israelites. They believe they are decended from the 12 tribes and have adopted many Jewish traditions. However, the Israelites believe that Jesus Christ was the messiah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_israelites More like they beleive they are the descendents of the Israelites. :rolleyes: This will cause trouble but it is true, they are an insult. They are racist, they say hateful things to the real Jews. In all honesty they are African Americans that just call themselves the real Israelites with no blood history. I think they are the same people that claim the Anceint Egyptians were black aswell. Black people never claimed to be the decendents of the Israelites in the past, where would these people have come from? We all came from the same man and woman anyways. This may sound racist but its not, its just insulting to deny the Jewish people of their rightful struggle, who have had the most difficult history of any other peoples... Bar none. Note: Im not Jewish, but its a ridiculous claim. Im White / Arabian.

The Judahs are Israelites. They believe they are decended from the 12 tribes and have adopted many Jewish traditions. However, the Israelites believe that Jesus Christ was the messiah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_israelites