how would rjj's legacy be different ??

After the 1st Tarver fight I respected Roy for giving Tarver a rematch after the 1st fight. The way he dug deep and pulled through for the last rounds in that fight showed me Roy actually dealing with adversity for the 1st time. Then when I finally see Roy perform like a champion he goes and throws it all away by going into the Tarver III fight with one intention. NOT to get KO'd, That made me sick to my stomach and that tainted his legacy in my eyes.

roy's chin isnt that bad. that tarver shot, as he put it, was the perfect punch. it was an amazing shot, and a brutal ko, watch it in slow motion You dont have to tell me Homie. I know Roy had a sturdy chin. The only time he was ever down before the Tarver fight was a KD in the fight against HoneyBoy lou Del Valle and he was hit real hard and right on the chin got up and continued the ass whoopin he was delivering before the KD. He has also been hit several times cleanly and took those shots well. Roy had a good chin but you would only know this if you have seen him fights.

LMAO you are so full of shit its not even funny. Roy was never Rocked by Reggie Miller he beat the hell out of Reggie Miller in Rounds 1 and 2 then knocked him down in the 3rd toyed with him in the 4th and Finally KNOCKED HIS ASS OUT in the 5th. Nobody believe that crap he just spewed Reggie didnt even hit Roy clean on the chin that entire fight. Nice Bullshit post. roy's chin isnt that bad. that tarver shot, as he put it, was the perfect punch. it was an amazing shot, and a brutal ko, watch it in slow motion

It wouldn't of been different for me, because I always knew he had no chin since seeing him rocked badly by journeyman Reggie Miller (on Eurosport channel, not shown in US and never replayed). LMAO you are so full of shit its not even funny. Roy was never Rocked by Reggie Miller he beat the hell out of Reggie Miller in Rounds 1 and 2 then knocked him down in the 3rd toyed with him in the 4th and Finally KNOCKED HIS ASS OUT in the 5th. Nobody believe that crap he just spewed Reggie didnt even hit Roy clean on the chin that entire fight. Nice Bullshit post.

People were way too harsh on Roy with those losses. Maybe his head isn't in the fight game anymore, but it's true, when he was the man, he dominated people and made them look terrible even if they were good aside from fighting him.

I've noticed that a lot of boxing fans practice what can be called "revisionist history", meaning for example that they evaluate the skills and career of a great fighter 1 way up until he has a notable loss or 2, and then sometimes go full circle and re-evaluate his whole career and history if he has a devastating or shocking loss. Of course it's ok to re-evaluate boxer's careers, but it doesn't show much wisdom to call a fighter great, a pound for pound champion, etc. until something goes wrong, and then to turn right around and say that he was never all that hot to begin with, he only beat bums until he ran into a certain fighter, etc. This happened with Charles "Sonny" Liston back in the 1960s and happened again with Roy Jones Jr. after his losses to Tarver and Glen Johnson. To me it makes more sense to view great athletes as just ordinary men who have exceptional physical skills rather than as something close to gods who can do no wrong. That way when they fail it's not such a blow to our sense of who they were to begin with. Roy Jones Jr. is an all-time great, an athlete and boxer on the level with Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali. Perhaps his prime didn't last quite as long as that of Robinson, but no matter how he looks now in the ring, he totally dominated whatever division that he was fighting in for a long time, in excess of 10 years perhaps. Excellent, excellent job. People need to go back and replay Jones' fights from the 90's. He fought all sorts of top 10 contenders and made them all look like clowns. Once in a lifetime talent, that's what he was - too bad his recent performances have blinded people to that.

thank you thats what i said all along. if tarver wanted roy so bad he would have went up to fight roy. roy beat champs. how can you say he didnt fight anyone. virgil hill come a body shot that you can hear echo for a few rows. he fought champs. ok thats like saying tarver didnt fight anyone bc he fought just about everyone roy did. tarver will sit there and say that roy didnt right no one. thats not saying much for him. like someone said he handed toney his ass. toney sits there and says that he didnt train properly for the fight. is that roys fault? is it roys fault that maybe even if all the champs where nobodys is that roys fault? tarver and roy where face to face after the ruiz fight and tarver extended his hand and said congrats champ. than in a room full of people decided to stand up. like roy said i find it hard to get up for a fighter that wont say anything to my face. if tarver wasnt such a pussy he would have moved up to fight roy. he fights guys when they are right for the picking. knowing roy had to shead all the weight off was going to make him weak. roy is going to go down as one of the best fighters.

After the Ruiz fight, I think Roy should have made Tarver come up to heavyweight if he wanted to fight him, rather than Roy losing all that weight to go down to LHW again.

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the haters on this thread are just looking like fools roy jones won world titles from middleweight to heavyweight. he was the greatest pound for pound fighter of his generation. full stop.

If he left the game earlier and went to the booth.

Roy Jones career's is and always will be debatable, but he was the best P4P fighter of 90's no doubt. fighter of the decade in the 90's!

I've noticed that a lot of boxing fans practice what can be called "revisionist history", meaning for example that they evaluate the skills and career of a great fighter 1 way up until he has a notable loss or 2, and then sometimes go full circle and re-evaluate his whole career and history if he has a devastating or shocking loss. Of course it's ok to re-evaluate boxer's careers, but it doesn't show much wisdom to call a fighter great, a pound for pound champion, etc. until something goes wrong, and then to turn right around and say that he was never all that hot to begin with, he only beat bums until he ran into a certain fighter, etc. This happened with Charles "Sonny" Liston back in the 1960s and happened again with Roy Jones Jr. after his losses to Tarver and Glen Johnson. To me it makes more sense to view great athletes as just ordinary men who have exceptional physical skills rather than as something close to gods who can do no wrong. That way when they fail it's not such a blow to our sense of who they were to begin with. Roy Jones Jr. is an all-time great, an athlete and boxer on the level with Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali. Perhaps his prime didn't last quite as long as that of Robinson, but no matter how he looks now in the ring, he totally dominated whatever division that he was fighting in for a long time, in excess of 10 years perhaps. this is a great post, welcome to bs you will now feel my badblood like karma

not much I've noticed that a lot of boxing fans practice what can be called "revisionist history", meaning for example that they evaluate the skills and career of a great fighter 1 way up until he has a notable loss or 2, and then sometimes go full circle and re-evaluate his whole career and history if he has a devastating or shocking loss. Of course it's ok to re-evaluate boxer's careers, but it doesn't show much wisdom to call a fighter great, a pound for pound champion, etc. until something goes wrong, and then to turn right around and say that he was never all that hot to begin with, he only beat bums until he ran into a certain fighter, etc. This happened with Charles "Sonny" Liston back in the 1960s and happened again with Roy Jones Jr. after his losses to Tarver and Glen Johnson. To me it makes more sense to view great athletes as just ordinary men who have exceptional physical skills rather than as something close to gods who can do no wrong. That way when they fail it's not such a blow to our sense of who they were to begin with. Roy Jones Jr. is an all-time great, an athlete and boxer on the level with Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali. Perhaps his prime didn't last quite as long as that of Robinson, but no matter how he looks now in the ring, he totally dominated whatever division that he was fighting in for a long time, in excess of 10 years perhaps.

no kidding. "roy fought nobody" more like roy fought good opposition and made them look like nobody's just look at the way he embrassed james toney, who was undefeated at the time

Roy is one of the greatest boxers ever. His haters are gay. You can either love him for the show he put on in his fights(Fans who are boxers themselves) or hate him for that(Skinny pc nerds with bitch tits). He made his opponents look like nobody's. Look at the Toney fight!

haha the haters on here are absolutly pathetic, its embrassing actully

Exactly, is Ali's legacy tainted by his losses to Berbick and Holmes... I don't think so, the same could be said for many boxers, it's just a case of knowing when to stop and those few fights should have no baring on his legacy. However if he does do a Holyfield and carry on fighting for a couple of years, he may well indeed hurt his record and legacy...