Rock bigger than Toney!!!!!!!!!!

Rahman looks like a powerful bull, Toney some bald cornerman with a gut. Maybe even the guy who carries the spit bucket. Still have to favor Toney but he doesn't bear a passing resemblance to an athlete. The only definition on his body is the six pack of oscar mayer weiners on the back of his neck. Seriously, the lack of pride he takes in his health and fitness is an embarrassment to his sport. Garbage in, garbage out, as it is often said. An athlete cannot succeed forever eating and abusing his body like Toney does. If there's any justice in the world, Rahman knocks him out in the name of work ethic and for the good of boxing. Toney is a nasty, hateful guy who disrespects everyone in the sport, including himself, with the lousy shape he's showed up in. I could care less about disrespecting Toney because he shows no respect for anyone else on the planet. A man like that is undeserving of honor and is owed nothing by anyone. If Toney is interested in getting in shape and giving the sport his all, than good for him. If he can learn some humility and respect for others, I am all ready to be a fan. The way he is now though, and at 37 years old he probably won't change, fuck him. Great post KA. I agree with everything. The saddest thing about it all IMO - is that he's a role model and some kids emulate his disrespecting ways and think it's cool. I'd love to be a fan of Toney but everytime he opens his mouth his verbal shit storm ruins what he's done in the ring. Some people even worship Toney for his lack of class. He can't retire early enough IMO and I hope rock kicks his ass.

Rahman is bigger because he is a full grown hw not a middleweight turned heavyweight by countless buffets.

i've had floaters give up their argument and flush down the bowl quicker than your incessant rimming of tyson's anus while you compliment him through your teeth.."youth arth ath greath perthonth mikth" I'm not trying to defend achilles, but he's certainly not a fan of Tyson, i can say that much.

Thats the best shape i've ever seen Rahman in, this fight could be very interesting.

I'll take the occasional sexist or outright psychotic comment over incessant trash talking, coming to fight looking like shit, and in general being a classless punk. Tyson's said some shitty things and he's acted like a nut, but he's also done some great things too like donate money towards Kid Gavilan's grave, proven his sportsmanship against defeated opponents on a regular basis, and given credit to Lewis after receiving a huge ass whupping by the man's hands. If Toney loses this fight, you know there won't be a shred of class in his reaction, just excuses and further disrespect. If you go by the lowest of their lows, maybe Tyson comes off looking like the monster, but Toney is consistently a punk whereas Tyson elevates himself to something classy, admirable, and even likeable every now and then. With Toney I never see that. i've had floaters give up their argument and flush down the bowl quicker than your incessant rimming of tyson's anus while you compliment him through your teeth.."youth arth ath greath perthonth mikth"

No I haven't met Tyson or Toney but having seen and read many interviews with both of them I can say that I respect Tyson more. When Tyson goes off on people I usually see a motive behind it. With Toney he appears to do it for the hell of it. It's drama for the sake of drama. I see Tyson as more sincere, just venting his inner frustrations whereas Toney is trying to get a rise out of people. Would you drop it already? You've shot yourself in the foot acting all high and mighty talking about your disgust with Toney when you then turn around and try to justify Tyson's actions and popularity. It's foolish. Tyson's a criminal, and has done many malicious physical acts towards his opponents, bystanders, and women. You don't like Toney. Just say it and leave it at that. Don't try to justify it with a self defeating ignorant line of logic. :rolleyes:

I'll take the occasional sexist or outright psychotic comment over incessant trash talking, coming to fight looking like shit, and in general being a classless punk. Tyson's said some shitty things and he's acted like a nut, but he's also done some great things too like donate money towards Kid Gavilan's grave, proven his sportsmanship against defeated opponents on a regular basis, and given credit to Lewis after receiving a huge ass whupping by the man's hands. If Toney loses this fight, you know there won't be a shred of class in his reaction, just excuses and further disrespect. If you go by the lowest of their lows, maybe Tyson comes off looking like the monster, but Toney is consistently a punk whereas Tyson elevates himself to something classy, admirable, and even likeable every now and then. With Toney I never see that.

I'll ask a similar question to you oldgringo, have you ever met Tyson? How do you form your opinions of Tyson if you haven't met him? No I haven't met Tyson or Toney but having seen and read many interviews with both of them I can say that I respect Tyson more. When Tyson goes off on people I usually see a motive behind it. With Toney he appears to do it for the hell of it. It's drama for the sake of drama. I see Tyson as more sincere, just venting his inner frustrations whereas Toney is trying to get a rise out of people. Difference being Toney hasn't bitten off someone's ear after previously being convicted of rape. Don't play the "Tyson is a scarred individual so he deserves a break" angle on me now achilles. So what was Tysons motive for saying he won't speak with women because he doesn't want to speak with someone he wants to fornicate with? Add sexist to the list of assholish personality traits? I just don't see how you're still trying to play it up like Toney is a bad guy. You have never met him, he hasn't committed any crimes, you simply can't stand him for personal reasons. That's cool and all, but quit with the shit about him being some asshole in real life when you've never met him or anything... The crazy thing is...I find most of the shit Tyson has said in his interviews hilarious as pretty much everyone else has. It's just not reasonable trying to make Toney out to be the scum of the earth for coming into a fight in non-aesthetically pleasing shape.

I'll ask a similar question to you oldgringo, have you ever met Tyson? How do you form your opinions of Tyson if you haven't met him? No I haven't met Tyson or Toney but having seen and read many interviews with both of them I can say that I respect Tyson more. When Tyson goes off on people I usually see a motive behind it. With Toney he appears to do it for the hell of it. It's drama for the sake of drama. I see Tyson as more sincere, just venting his inner frustrations whereas Toney is trying to get a rise out of people.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3365/rahmantoney10fb.jpg http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6659/rahmantoney25za.jpg http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7549/rahmantoney32uq.jpg DAMN Rock is fit.James is in for a tough fight not only because of his weight,but because of the conditioning of his opponent.

I think that Toney will win, but fuck it, It's on mofoker!!! :D hah...i'd like that in ten donations of 100 million points please ;)

Who wants to put a billion on this fight? Come one Rahman supporters... Fix put your money where your yap is.

Achilles...you're speaking on Toney as if you and you family have met him...and before you even got to shake his hand he slapped your mother. I have met James on two occasions as a young man and he was very nice to me and my father both times. Pretty much everything he does in the ring and leading up to the fight is a SHOW to market himself. Have you ever actually spoken with him? Has he mistreated you in the past? I can't fathom someone trying to pass off Tyson as a more respectable human being than Toney, but whatever floats your boat...

I just don't get it. People are making it out to sound like Rahman is nothing more than a slugger. He may have slugging tendencies, but Rahman has very fast hands for a heavyweight as well. He can and will mix it up if he decides to go toe-to-toe with Toney, which he WON'T be afraid to do. We're talking about a guy who has tasted the overhand right of Lennox Lewis and he's supposed to be afraid to slug with Toney??? Toney's only chance in this fight IMO is to pull a "Winky Wright" and block everything while concentrating on counters. I think Rahman wins this one by stoppage or KO. I guess you missed Rahman vs Al "Ice" Cole and John Ruiz. He's a plodding slugger who's underacheived most of his career. Bringing the fight to a guy who's a much better and busier inside fighter is a bad idea anyway you look at it. Should he be afraid of single shots from Toney? No, but if he stands on the inside it won't take long before he's broken down and taken apart. The smartest thing he could do would be to fight outside of Toney's comfort zone, and that's moving and jabbing.

u also thought vargas had a chance vs mosley oh......my bad it was a blow out.:confused:

Not at all, but that's really his best chance. If he looks to stand and trade he's going to get beaten down and taken apart. The best way to nullify what Toney does best is to stay away from him, not come to him. Rahman has looked his best in the last five years in the first 6 rounds of the Tua fight when he was throwing 60 jabs a round. He was out of gas after that, but that was really the best he's looked since the one punch wonder. He doesn't have a very good chance in this fight any way you look at it (barring a shocker), but coming to Toney and trying to hurt him is a particularly worse plan than others at his disposal. I just don't get it. People are making it out to sound like Rahman is nothing more than a slugger. He may have slugging tendencies, but Rahman has very fast hands for a heavyweight as well. He can and will mix it up if he decides to go toe-to-toe with Toney, which he WON'T be afraid to do. We're talking about a guy who has tasted the overhand right of Lennox Lewis and he's supposed to be afraid to slug with Toney??? Toney's only chance in this fight IMO is to pull a "Winky Wright" and block everything while concentrating on counters. I think Rahman wins this one by stoppage or KO.

You think he'll be able to outbox Toney? Not at all, but that's really his best chance. If he looks to stand and trade he's going to get beaten down and taken apart. The best way to nullify what Toney does best is to stay away from him, not come to him. Rahman has looked his best in the last five years in the first 6 rounds of the Tua fight when he was throwing 60 jabs a round. He was out of gas after that, but that was really the best he's looked since the one punch wonder. He doesn't have a very good chance in this fight any way you look at it (barring a shocker), but coming to Toney and trying to hurt him is a particularly worse plan than others at his disposal.

There is a difference though Bozo. Im not so sure Tyson can help it very much, he undoubtedly has some serious psychological problems. Toney consistently and willfully acts like a jerk and is clearly not crazy. Unless Toney is a psychopath but I doubt it. The bottom line is that boxing is the hurt business, and everyone watching it is looking for Violence. It attracts and cultivates the attitudes of guys like Tyson, who can be looked upon as the bad guy. Toney has a big ego, and plays up disrespect for his opponents. That helps to sell fights, and helps him to get up for them mentally.

Trying to land a big right hand on Toney is a stupid idea. It's by far the most difficult shot to land on him. Rock has height and reach to his advantage, and has a good jab. His best chance is to use that reach, stick the jab, and not try to mix it up. If he does, he plays right into Toney's strengths. You think he'll be able to outbox Toney?

Yes, I've seen Guinn/Toney and was really impressed by Toney in that fight. Of course, that is really diminished by the fact that Guinn had 3 losses, 1 draw, and 2 wins in his last 6 fights. Rock's best chance is one big right hand, he can't outbox Toney and he knows it. I don't think he'll stay away. Trying to land a big right hand on Toney is a stupid idea. It's by far the most difficult shot to land on him. Rock has height and reach to his advantage, and has a good jab. His best chance is to use that reach, stick the jab, and not try to mix it up. If he does, he plays right into Toney's strengths.