Wayne McCullough on Morales and Prince Naseem

Any post involving cockfighting as an analogy or the main substance must be disregarded. said who? :rolleyes: :cool: :D

Any post involving cockfighting as an analogy or the main substance must be disregarded.

you know what I think is funny? Pacquaio fans are calling Barrera a pussy when he's moving up a division and taking on a very tough guy, and a champ at that(who just killed a guy in the ring). Man oh man he's a pussy! has it ever occcured to you that what the pacquiao fans probably meant by their claim is that mab is pussying out only with the pacman and not with any other fighter or fighters he wants to face? if you've been into cockfighting for a long time, you've probably noticed that a fighter cock that ran away from its opponent in a fight directly goes to the pot. that is because every good cockfighter knows that the same cock will always run at the sight of his conqueror. pac fans think this is the case for mab. :eek:

EXACTLY!!! RIGHT ON THE BUCKET. And Boy! DId Barrera get a prime taste of real greatness. It's only fitting he bowed to his superior. And PAC taught him a leasson that he's way, way above pussy Barrera's league. Now that Pussy knows he can't handle the speed, he can't handle the powe, and come to think of it, PAC has become a very finesse fighter as of late, MAB pisses on his pants thinking PAC will KO him again.Thanks! T'was just my "educated guess"-- I hope educated but surely a guess. Thanks again for sharing the same view :)

I don't know man see I remember Barrera saying he knew he had a tough opponent in front of him. Also I wasnt surprised at the outcome because i had seen Manny pacquiao before and knew he was definitely a force to be reckoned with. Wouldnt a fighter like Barrera know that his opponent is very good because of the tapes he must watch in preparation for a fight?Actually, ol' fella, as was obvious, I was just making a guess based on those details I cited. I was thinking, MAB, inspite of what he said (and boxers often lift the reps of their adversaries in part to show some respect and also to help along ticket sales), didn't think much of Pacquiao. Manny was a replacement in the Ledwaba fight; not much was known of him in the US. Moreover, at the time, Manny was far from the fighter he has evolved into being. He had power, he's a lefty (and lefties are odd to face in the ring), he has guts...but other than those, he didn't have too much. The tapes available of Manny's fights previous to Ledwaba are few. Most of his fights were in the Philippines and Philippine TV archives are not really well kept, except for a couple of networks--the two leading ones. Most-- I guess, all-- of Manny's fights on TV were on such networks as IBC and RPN, not really famed for having good morgues. I am making the guess because I am sure that the two leading networks GMA and ABS-CBN do not air boxing matches (the only one ABS aired was Manny's last one--Erik-Pac II) as part of their programming menu. I am in the Philippines and the several documentaries aired on TV about Manny lends some credence to the above observation re tapes. The documentaries I saw over the past several days had only a handful of clips of Pac's early fights. They didn't even have that KO clip that I saw here on Boxing Scene posted by a member, though it was mentioned and the fighter who inflected that loss on Manny, Rustico Torrecampo, was interviewed. So, I'm thinking, the tapes available to Barrera's camp may have been pretty few, probably fights such as Ledwaba (which was too short to give anyone a really good take of what Pac was capable of), the loss in Thailand (likewise too short-- Pac was KDd in the third) and a handful of others. I am aware that the handspeed was pretty obvious in those few tapes available but it was likewise clear that at that stage of his career Manny didn't have side-to-side body/foot movement, his head movement left much to be desired, had the tendency to avoid punches by backing straight up-- a mortal defensive sin in boxing-- and had only one combination as bread and butter-- the jab-straight. Great as he is, MAB, may have thought, that with his vast experience, he would be able to handle all that. No problemo. MAB may have also thought that the kid (Manny was then, what, 23? 24? to MAB's, 30?), notwithstanding all those fights in Pac's resume', hadn't faced anyone. MAB was out to school the impertinent new-kid-on-the-block. You were one of the very few I know, pal, who was not surprised of the outcome. I must confess that having followed both Barrera and Pac's earlier career as much as I was able to, left me some doubt about Manny's chances then. It was a doubt that, if a Filipino friend of mine is to be believed, was shared by quite a number of Filipinos at the time. My friend told me that betting was brisk in the Philippines, indicating that there were Filipinos who thought Manny won't be able to handle Barrera and put their money where their thoughts were. I timorously picked Manny but didn't make a bet.;) In the Philippines or anywhere else. I now obviously regret that.:)

do you think it safe to say that Erik hits as hard as MAB and vice versa ... morales hits harder than barrera

How did some of you score the 5th round of Morales/Barrera I. Just for kicks...

Yeah, as if the fight was close. Well, I guess that's Pac fans' confidence in their man. I suppose they feel sure the rematch would be a replay of the first. By the way, I am not at all sure that it was lack of fear that made Barrera take on Pacquiao. As I recall, Manny, after soundly beating Ledwaba, called out MAB, prompting experts to think either Manny was kidding or out of his mind. Barrera? Say, what? Some feared for Manny, not the least of whom are American boxing commentators. Few, if any, gave him a Chinaman's chance. More so because the fight was at Featherweight and Manny had just been KD'd his first time out at that weight before the eyes of his fellow countrymen at the Rizal Park in Manila. Barrera's camp may have thought: a "punk" like that ought to be taught a lesson. I don't know man see I remember Barrera saying he knew he had a tough opponent in front of him. Also I wasnt surprised at the outcome because i had seen Manny pacquiao before and knew he was definitely a force to be reckoned with. Wouldnt a fighter like Barrera know that his opponent is very good because of the tapes he must watch in preparation for a fight?

What i find that is funny is that it was Barrera's lack of fear that gave Manny pacquiao the opportunity to become a real star outside of his country, and Manny Pacquiao destroyed Barrera, and its some of the pacquiao fans demanding a rematch like if it had been the other way around i dont get that.Yeah, as if the fight was close. Well, I guess that's Pac fans' confidence in their man. I suppose they feel sure the rematch would be a replay of the first. By the way, I am not at all sure that it was lack of fear that made Barrera take on Pacquiao. As I recall, Manny, after soundly beating Ledwaba, called out MAB, prompting experts to think either Manny was kidding or out of his mind. Barrera? Say, what? Some feared for Manny, not the least of whom are American boxing commentators. Few, if any, gave him a Chinaman's chance. More so because the fight was at Featherweight and Manny had just been KD'd his first time out at that weight before the eyes of his fellow countrymen at the Rizal Park in Manila. Barrera's camp may have thought: a "punk" like that ought to be taught a lesson.

your mother died and legally enititled me king shit you fucking cocksucker. LOL I KNOW OG is a Morales fan who has ACUTALLY SEEN morales at those wieght and in those fights.Id be surprised if people like rsl have even fucking seen the fights they claim to know so fucking much about.Its beyond stupid how some people are taking the opportunity to discredit morales every chance they get since his loss.

Do you agree that Barrera needs to beat both Chávez and Pacquiao if he wants to be seen as better than Morales?? i am not sure about this, Erik will have an argument that he also beat both Chavez and Pac ... i have to ride this all the way to the finish line and maybe a 4th will tell us that they are if they are equal or superior over the other ...

you know what I think is funny? Pacquaio fans are calling Barrera a pussy when he's moving up a division and taking on a very tough guy, and a champ at that(who just killed a guy in the ring). Man oh man he's a pussy!If you call somebody out, say you'll take on the winner of a coming fight, generously offer to give the prospective opponent enough time to heal whatever wounds...talk the talk and then refuse to walk the walk, you're bound to be given names, none that smell sweet. Just a few minor questions: if Barrera is so eager to meet with destiny that he can't wait to face Chavez for an unprecedented (for a Mexican champ) 4th world title, why was the scheduled March meeting with Chavez announced as having been shoved days before Jan. 21? And, why was a challenge issued by Barrera to the winner of Morales-Pac? Did he forget his date with destiny for a while? Another minor question: why did he change his mind about meeting the winner of Morales-Pac after seeing what happened? Still another: if Chavez is so tough, why take him on instead of Pac? Taking on Pac would have made him keep his word and live up to the dare that he--or his spokesman--mouthed. There was no more problem with the Chavez fight because, as announced, it had been shelved anyway. Why resurrect if after Pac won? The Pac fight was what Barrera wanted, his or a Golden Boy promotions spokesman said. Why is he not doing what he said he wanted? Not to forget: he said he'd give the winner a chance to recuperate before meeting him. Pretty considerate of him. Both the fight and the consideration have obviously flown out of the window. I am NOT by any means one of those who has or is calling MAB names. I won't dare; I have too much respect for him. But, if others call him names, I won't jump. It's their take on the man, given the recent developments. Now, MAB is on his way to trying to get a 4th world crown. Good for him. But, he should have said that's what he wanted and not issue a dare. Note: if it was all the spokesman's gimmick, why isn't there a denial from MAB?

agree with you bro... Do you agree that Barrera needs to beat both Chávez and Pacquiao if he wants to be seen as better than Morales??

Manny should now better, but I see Morales as a slightly better banger than Barrera. agree with you bro...

do you think it safe to say that Erik hits as hard as MAB and vice versa ... Manny should now better, but I see Morales as a slightly better banger than Barrera.

I think that has more to do with Erik's size advantage. Pacquiao could not overwhelm and bully Erik like he did to Barrera. do you think it safe to say that Erik hits as hard as MAB and vice versa ...

I agree, they're both fucking good, and nobody can say who's better, it's more opinion than fact. It's funny how some people state their opinions like their facts... i agree with you, and also agree to let the future decide ...

Pac Fans are demanding a rematch to prove a point and to erase any doubts ... we also want to see a rematch with JMM to settle the score ... its the road to greatness PAC has to take ... one question its hard to tell who is better than EM or MAB, maybe this easier to answer, who hits HARDER EM or MAB? Pac after the first fight commented that EM hits as Hard as MAB but I see PAC backing up more against EM... I think that has more to do with Erik's size advantage. Pacquiao could not overwhelm and bully Erik like he did to Barrera.

What i find that is funny is that it was Barrera's lack of fear that gave Manny pacquiao the opportunity to become a real star outside of his country, and Manny Pacquiao destroyed Barrera, and its some of the pacquiao fans demanding a rematch like if it had been the other way around i dont get that. Pac Fans are demanding a rematch to prove a point and to erase any doubts ... we also want to see a rematch with JMM to settle the score ... its the road to greatness PAC has to take ... one question its hard to tell who is better than EM or MAB, maybe this easier to answer, who hits HARDER EM or MAB? Pac after the first fight commented that EM hits as Hard as MAB but I see PAC backing up more against EM...

see guys its no where near settled who among this two great figthers is better ... its really hard to quantify greatness with > = < I agree, they're both fucking good, and nobody can say who's better, it's more opinion than fact. It's funny how some people state their opinions like their facts...