The Ring latest P4P, Morales OUT, Wonjongkam IN

Heres my list 1. Mayweather 2. Winky or Pac 3. ... 4. Barrera 5. Castillo 6. Hatton 7. Tarver 8. Taylor 9. Arce 10. JMM

restless, who's fault is it that the us fans haven't seen Wonjongcam? i blame hbo and showtime, not the us fans. i only saw some of these asians from downloading the few fights available I understand that completely, and i'm not blaming fans, just the fact that some people can assume they know who belongs where in the rankings without seeing a fighter. You can't make an argument that Wonjongkam doesn't belong in the rankings without seeing him fight first. It's obvious that Psycho's only backing argument is what he's staring at on a website (boxrec). Credit due to you, though, to search for some of his fights, or to do that for any fighter that HBO or Showtime might not deam "television-friendly".

Wow :p Chill out man. Yes there are 10 names listed ahead of Taylor, but if you honestly believe that Juan Marquez and Wonjongkam is better than Taylor then find a justification. Better In terms of opponents fought and beaten? Nahh. Better in terms of being a crowd draw? Nahh. Better in terms of accomplishment? Definitely a big No. Then how the fuck can Ring claims these 2 deserces to be in the top 10 than Taylor. Oh! It's probably because ring is also Taylor hater. :D taylor ain't fought shit except a burned out version of b-hop...and he lost one of those fights. He has no skins on the wall...not near as many as the marquez brothers.

restless, who's fault is it that the us fans haven't seen Wonjongcam? i blame hbo and showtime, not the us fans. i only saw some of these asians from downloading the few fights available

i would put arce over taylor. just couse arce won 2day and has been being ducked by current number 10

OH ok, that's just a case of wrong choice of word, what I really meant is Taylor Defeated Bhops twice not beat up as in completely dominating the guy, as in beaten up. :) As to Gatti I merely mentioned his named because the guy has just a lot of accomplishments than the 2 clowns that restless has been hyping. I don't nuthug any particular fighter, I simply call things objectively and defend fighters from TRASH talks of haters. :) Nuff said......But I still think JMM belongs in the P4P more than Taylor. Im not sure bout Wonjongkam yet cause I havent seen much of his fights, but youre entitled to your own opinion and Taylor being in the top ten isnt a bad one.

WOW another hater? :D It doesn't matter what I think Bro that's what the world knows and that's what the world recognized what happened. Taylor defeated Bhops. So if you are one of those who can't accept what realistically transpired then you've got a problem, not me. :p I know what happened. Taylor beat Hopkins....twice, all Im saying is Hopkins didnt get beat up no one really got beat up like you so boldly typed in you response. And Gatti in the top ten P4P is something a casual boxing fan would state....unless youre labeling yourself as a casual boxing fan then I wouldnt have a problem with what youre saying because you dont have the knowledge to back up your statement.....and if youre labeling yourself as a casual boxing fan, then u shouldnt be on this website :)

JMM has never accopmlished anything last year except fighting Victor Polo. He refused to fight Pacquaio and Morales and later on got stipped of his belts because of failed bids. :D i'll say it again, JMM has ONLY one good opponent in Pacquaio the rest are all bums. Will that accomplishment justify his name being in the p4p list? And you'll compare that to Taylor's BEATING UP Bhops twice? :D If you can't get the point check your brain doctor friend. Oh yeah Wonjongkam's sorry ass is fighting again against WBC ramked #10? Fine, so you think that's enopugh to justify that he should be in the p4p list? :) Open your eyes and get a dose of reality, I'll tell you again that he got padded record by fighting fighters with 12, 13 14 to 18 fights. That's why he has 56 fights. That's a fact buddy so don't be desperate HYPING these two pretenders. Gatti and Morales still deserves to be there in that list despite their recent loses rather than these two clowns. Yup, I have to agree IGNORANCE is very much obvious in this board. :) You are showing it friend. I like Gatti, but damn youre pretty dumb......and if you think Taylor beat up B-Hop you must be blind too.

he beat Bernard Hopkins, you dumb fuck. beat him TWICE. that automatically makes Taylor top 10, plus he's undefeated. He's easily top 5-6. I bet your dumb ass approves of Winky backing out of the Taylor fight too, right? fuck you Youre pretty gay dude, you should shut up already. Besides, nobody really respects ur opinion anyway. Also, Taylors good, top 20 material but I wont argue him not being in the top 10.

Why, you didn't read my reply or you don't understand it :p I said it's a long litany of CRAPS. So why should waste time to contest CRAPS based on your perceptions. As I said you've lost your objectivity because of your hatred to Taylor. The fact is you don't have to HYPE JMM's and Wonjongkam's sorry asses to pull down Taylor, that's just too pathetic. lol, wow, congratulations on taking any shred of dignity you previously had with your arguments and dropping them to a juvenile level.. you know i'm right, so you won't read the logic behind it because your a Taylor fan who won't admit the truth. You can call it hate, but the fact is, you obviously know nothing about with Wonjongkam or Marquez, you're only concern is that Taylor get on the top 10 list, even though you're clueless as to the other fighters. It's like, if you haven't seen them, they don't belong there. Take your biased BS somewhere else. And i thought i'd seen ignorance on the board before.. Now, i'm not going to make another comment on Taylor until after his next fight because it's uneventful with some of you people (more like children).. i'll let time prove my points. BTW, Wonjongkam's "sorry ass" is fighting again on Feb. 16th against WBC ranked #10, Gilberto Keb Baas. It'll be his 13th title defense and he's now coming close to the most title defenses in flyweight history within this year, passing Mexican Miguel Canto who successfully kept his title 14 times.

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Although Diego is right... COward should not be rewarded. JMM doesn't deserve to be in the top 10. JMM might not be exactly a coward but a victim of having very, i mean very stupid managers. he hadnt had any good fights as of late where he deserves to be. before the Pac fight, he's complaining of having "only" something like a $750,000 purse and now he's fighting cris john for $30,000. :D in Indonesia. :D :D WAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH !!!!!!

1 Mayweather 2 Wright 3 Pacquiao 4 Barrera 5 Hatton 6 Marquez (Juan) 7 Marquez (Rafael) 8 Castillo 9 Tarver 10 Wonjongkam WHO THE FUCK IS THAT?!?!?! this is one of the dumbest p4p lists the ring has ever produced.

If Lacy beats Calzaghe, they'd better show him the respect he deserves. Barrera and Juan Manuel Marquez are a little high, but Rafael Marquez is justifiable. Taylor should be on there, though. Hopefully, my boy Chico can come back from this rib injury, and climb back into the top 10.

Its funny how some of you kids are quick to start calling some of these boxers Cowards! and wouldnt have the balls to call them cowards to their face.

1 Mayweather 2 Wright 3 Pacquiao 4 Barrera 5 Hatton 6 Marquez (Juan) <--- do we reward cowards now? fuck off 7 Marquez (Rafael) <--- LMAO who? 8 Castillo 9 Tarver 10 Wonjongkam <---- WHAT IS THAT?!?!?! WHERE THE FUCK IS JERMAIN TAYLOR Taylor hasn't been as impressive as have the above mentioned fighters in recent years.

wong-JOKE-lam who? u must be kiddin me..

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam Alias Pongsaklek Sitkanongsak Country Thai Global Id TH-00-034051 Birthplace Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand Division Flyweight Age 28 Born 1977-08-11 Stance Southpaw Height 163 Manager Virat Vajiratanawongse Career Record © www.boxrec.com Date Opponent W-L-D Location Result 2005-12-23 Isidro Balabat 5-3-0 Petchaboon, Thailand W TD 5 2005-10-10 Daisuke Naito 27-1-2 Tokyo, Japan W TD 7 WBC Flyweight Title 2005-07-29 Mark Sales 11-26-3 Bangkok, Thailand W UD 6 2005-04-29 Daniel Diolan 15-11-1 Petchburi Province, Thail W TKO 3 2005-01-29 Noriyuki Komatsu 19-1-5 Osaka, Japan W TKO 5 WBC Flyweight Title 2004-11-26 Mark Sales 11-23-3 Chiengrai, Thailand W UD 8 2004-10-08 Randy Mangubat 31-20-12 Phuket, Thailand W UD 10 2004-07-15 Luis Angel Martinez 14-4-2 Khonkaen, Thailand W TKO 5 WBC Flyweight Title 2004-04-30 Ronnie Canete 18-14-2 Nakornrachasima, Thailand W KO 3 2004-01-03 Trash Nakanuma 23-4-0 Yokohama, Japan W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2003-11-14 Hussein Hussein 23-0-0 Bangkok, Thailand W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2003-07-25 Jaime Acerda 8-13-0 Chaiyaphum, Chaiyaphum Pr W KO 9 2003-06-06 Randy Mangubat 31-17-11 Songkla, Thailand W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2002-11-26 Hidenobu Honda 25-1-0 Osaka, Japan W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2002-09-06 Jesus Martinez 15-2-0 Rangsit, Thailand W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2002-04-19 Daisuke Naito 19-0-2 Khonkaen, Thailand W KO 1 WBC Flyweight Title 2001-12-06 Luis Alberto Lazarte 19-4-1 Pattaya, Thailand W TKO 2 WBC Flyweight Title 2001-10-26 Alex Baba 18-1-0 Hatyai, Thailand W TD 8 WBC Flyweight Title 2001-07-15 Hayato Asai 16-2-2 Nagoya, Japan W TKO 5 WBC Flyweight Title 2001-05-08 Alvin Felicilda 1-4-1 Udonthai, Thailand W PTS 10 2001-03-02 Malcolm Tunacao 11-0-1 Pichit, Thailand W TKO 1 WBC Flyweight Title 2000-12-29 Ramil Anito 16-18-3 Koh Kong Island, Cambodia W TKO 5 2000-09-22 Nathan Barcelona 22-27-2 Saraburi, Thailand W TKO 6 2000-08-25 Jinar Milla 0-1-0 Sakolnakorn, Thailand W TKO 3 2000-07-01 Ramil Anito 16-15-3 Nakhon Pathom, Thailand W PTS 10 2000-05-19 Texas Gomez 17-31-6 Udon Thani, Thailand W KO 7 2000-03-17 Mark Sales 5-5-1 Roi-et, Thailand W PTS 10 2000-02-25 Joven Simbajon 14-24-6 Samut Sakorn, Thailand W PTS 8 2000-01-29 Armando Rocil 1-2-0 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 2 1999-12-25 Ritichai Kiatprapas 24-4-0 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 3 1999-11-12 Rolando Baclayo 15-13-2 Saraburi, Thailand W KO 6 1999-09-17 Randy Mangubat 20-15-9 Nakhon Si Thammarat, Thai W PTS 8 1999-07-23 Texas Gomez 17-29-6 Yala, Thailand W KO 3 1999-06-13 Jose Orozco 0-1-0 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 2 1999-04-30 Dennis Sabsal 12-6-3 Tunsong, Thailand W PTS 8 1999-02-05 Emer Barrientos 5-6-4 Pattalung, Thailand W PTS 10 1998-12-04 Roy Tarazona 11-17-4 Phuttamonthon, Thailand W PTS 8 1998-11-14 Allan Llanita 13-3-4 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 6 1998-10-23 Ramil Gevero 7-21-1 Sakon Nakhon, Thailand W PTS 10 1998-07-30 Dennis Sabsal 10-3-3 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 10 1998-06-05 Juanito Rubillar 10-2-5 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 10 1998-04-22 Rodulfo Fernandez 15-19-8 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 2 1998-02-27 Jerry Pahayahay 28-27-1 Koh Samui, Surat Thani, T W PTS 10 1997-11-12 Alpong Navaja 20-38-5 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 10 1997-09-26 Ramil Gevero 5-16-1 Saraburi, Thailand W PTS 10 1997-08-01 Jaime Aliguin 19-28-4 Chantaburi, Thailand W PTS 10 1997-05-09 Lolito Laroa 9-11-4 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 6 1997-03-28 Mzukisi Sikali 19-4-1 Nongtha Buri, Thailand W TKO 1 WBU Light Flyweight Title 1996-11-22 Roy Tarazona 8-7-4 Surin, Thailand W TKO 3 1996-10-04 Randy Mangubat 10-10-6 Roi-et, Thailand W KO 3 1996-07-11 Jerry Pahayahay 25-21-1 Kalasin, Thailand L KO 5 1996-05-24 Juanito Rubillar 9-0-5 Petchaboon, Thailand W KO 4 1996-04-04 Ramon Algora 2-8-0 Udonthani, Thailand W KO 1 1995-12-22 Jerry Pahayahay 24-18-1 Sakon Nakhon, Thailand L PTS 8 1995-11-05 Ramil Gevero 3-5-1 Saraburi, Thailand W TKO 5 1995-09-25 Alpong Navaja 16-22-4 Bangkok, Thailand W TKO 4 1995-08-27 Bernardo Jun Davalos 12-8-2 Rangsit, Thailand W KO 2 1995-05-14 Rolando Tadle 2-2-1 Lampang, Thailand W KO 4 1995-04-27 Rex Remias 12-5-3 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 1 1995-03-12 Al Tarazona 19-13-5 Phitsanulok, Thailand W TKO 8 1994-12-21 Bernardo Jun Davalos 12-5-1 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 3 Record to Date Won 59 (KOs 31) Lost 2 Drawn 0 Total 61 ----------------------------------------------------------------- restless_438 tell me how he's become the "best flyweight in the world today" and not Jorge Arce. by fighting a certain Mark Sales (11-26-3)twice? a Randy Mangubat (31-20-12) 4 times? a cab driver named Nathan Barcelona (22-27-2)? Isidro Balabat (5-3-1)? this guy obviously has a padded record and just been preying on helpless bums. Hussein Hussein and Malcolm Tunacao are the only live fighters on that record. you make your elite knowledge known when you get all your information from boxrec.com and make in known by copy/paste... glad you can see who's fought legit opponents or not through looking at names and records on a website and not seeing actual fights... have you seen even one fight from Wonjongkam? :rolleyes: btw, i'm a big Jorge Arce fan and i'd never take anything away from him. And for psycho or anyone else saying that Taylor's two close decisions to Hopkins were enough to get him on the P4P rankings.. again, IMO (and ya'll need to calm down in general cause it's just my opinion) he's on the edge right now, if he just would prove he deserves the attention he's getting and fight someone worthwhile, he'll be on the list.. but psycho, you obviously only the read parts of my post that you wanted to read.

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam Alias Pongsaklek Sitkanongsak Country Thai Global Id TH-00-034051 Birthplace Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand Division Flyweight Age 28 Born 1977-08-11 Stance Southpaw Height 163 Manager Virat Vajiratanawongse Career Record © www.boxrec.com Date Opponent W-L-D Location Result 2005-12-23 Isidro Balabat 5-3-0 Petchaboon, Thailand W TD 5 2005-10-10 Daisuke Naito 27-1-2 Tokyo, Japan W TD 7 WBC Flyweight Title 2005-07-29 Mark Sales 11-26-3 Bangkok, Thailand W UD 6 2005-04-29 Daniel Diolan 15-11-1 Petchburi Province, Thail W TKO 3 2005-01-29 Noriyuki Komatsu 19-1-5 Osaka, Japan W TKO 5 WBC Flyweight Title 2004-11-26 Mark Sales 11-23-3 Chiengrai, Thailand W UD 8 2004-10-08 Randy Mangubat 31-20-12 Phuket, Thailand W UD 10 2004-07-15 Luis Angel Martinez 14-4-2 Khonkaen, Thailand W TKO 5 WBC Flyweight Title 2004-04-30 Ronnie Canete 18-14-2 Nakornrachasima, Thailand W KO 3 2004-01-03 Trash Nakanuma 23-4-0 Yokohama, Japan W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2003-11-14 Hussein Hussein 23-0-0 Bangkok, Thailand W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2003-07-25 Jaime Acerda 8-13-0 Chaiyaphum, Chaiyaphum Pr W KO 9 2003-06-06 Randy Mangubat 31-17-11 Songkla, Thailand W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2002-11-26 Hidenobu Honda 25-1-0 Osaka, Japan W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2002-09-06 Jesus Martinez 15-2-0 Rangsit, Thailand W UD 12 WBC Flyweight Title 2002-04-19 Daisuke Naito 19-0-2 Khonkaen, Thailand W KO 1 WBC Flyweight Title 2001-12-06 Luis Alberto Lazarte 19-4-1 Pattaya, Thailand W TKO 2 WBC Flyweight Title 2001-10-26 Alex Baba 18-1-0 Hatyai, Thailand W TD 8 WBC Flyweight Title 2001-07-15 Hayato Asai 16-2-2 Nagoya, Japan W TKO 5 WBC Flyweight Title 2001-05-08 Alvin Felicilda 1-4-1 Udonthai, Thailand W PTS 10 2001-03-02 Malcolm Tunacao 11-0-1 Pichit, Thailand W TKO 1 WBC Flyweight Title 2000-12-29 Ramil Anito 16-18-3 Koh Kong Island, Cambodia W TKO 5 2000-09-22 Nathan Barcelona 22-27-2 Saraburi, Thailand W TKO 6 2000-08-25 Jinar Milla 0-1-0 Sakolnakorn, Thailand W TKO 3 2000-07-01 Ramil Anito 16-15-3 Nakhon Pathom, Thailand W PTS 10 2000-05-19 Texas Gomez 17-31-6 Udon Thani, Thailand W KO 7 2000-03-17 Mark Sales 5-5-1 Roi-et, Thailand W PTS 10 2000-02-25 Joven Simbajon 14-24-6 Samut Sakorn, Thailand W PTS 8 2000-01-29 Armando Rocil 1-2-0 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 2 1999-12-25 Ritichai Kiatprapas 24-4-0 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 3 1999-11-12 Rolando Baclayo 15-13-2 Saraburi, Thailand W KO 6 1999-09-17 Randy Mangubat 20-15-9 Nakhon Si Thammarat, Thai W PTS 8 1999-07-23 Texas Gomez 17-29-6 Yala, Thailand W KO 3 1999-06-13 Jose Orozco 0-1-0 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 2 1999-04-30 Dennis Sabsal 12-6-3 Tunsong, Thailand W PTS 8 1999-02-05 Emer Barrientos 5-6-4 Pattalung, Thailand W PTS 10 1998-12-04 Roy Tarazona 11-17-4 Phuttamonthon, Thailand W PTS 8 1998-11-14 Allan Llanita 13-3-4 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 6 1998-10-23 Ramil Gevero 7-21-1 Sakon Nakhon, Thailand W PTS 10 1998-07-30 Dennis Sabsal 10-3-3 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 10 1998-06-05 Juanito Rubillar 10-2-5 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 10 1998-04-22 Rodulfo Fernandez 15-19-8 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 2 1998-02-27 Jerry Pahayahay 28-27-1 Koh Samui, Surat Thani, T W PTS 10 1997-11-12 Alpong Navaja 20-38-5 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 10 1997-09-26 Ramil Gevero 5-16-1 Saraburi, Thailand W PTS 10 1997-08-01 Jaime Aliguin 19-28-4 Chantaburi, Thailand W PTS 10 1997-05-09 Lolito Laroa 9-11-4 Bangkok, Thailand W PTS 6 1997-03-28 Mzukisi Sikali 19-4-1 Nongtha Buri, Thailand W TKO 1 WBU Light Flyweight Title 1996-11-22 Roy Tarazona 8-7-4 Surin, Thailand W TKO 3 1996-10-04 Randy Mangubat 10-10-6 Roi-et, Thailand W KO 3 1996-07-11 Jerry Pahayahay 25-21-1 Kalasin, Thailand L KO 5 1996-05-24 Juanito Rubillar 9-0-5 Petchaboon, Thailand W KO 4 1996-04-04 Ramon Algora 2-8-0 Udonthani, Thailand W KO 1 1995-12-22 Jerry Pahayahay 24-18-1 Sakon Nakhon, Thailand L PTS 8 1995-11-05 Ramil Gevero 3-5-1 Saraburi, Thailand W TKO 5 1995-09-25 Alpong Navaja 16-22-4 Bangkok, Thailand W TKO 4 1995-08-27 Bernardo Jun Davalos 12-8-2 Rangsit, Thailand W KO 2 1995-05-14 Rolando Tadle 2-2-1 Lampang, Thailand W KO 4 1995-04-27 Rex Remias 12-5-3 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 1 1995-03-12 Al Tarazona 19-13-5 Phitsanulok, Thailand W TKO 8 1994-12-21 Bernardo Jun Davalos 12-5-1 Bangkok, Thailand W KO 3 Record to Date Won 59 (KOs 31) Lost 2 Drawn 0 Total 61 ----------------------------------------------------------------- restless_438 tell me how he's become the "best flyweight in the world today" and not Jorge Arce. by fighting a certain Mark Sales (11-26-3)twice? a Randy Mangubat (31-20-12) 4 times? a cab driver named Nathan Barcelona (22-27-2)? Isidro Balabat (5-3-1)? this guy obviously has a padded record and just been preying on helpless bums. Hussein Hussein and Malcolm Tunacao are the only live fighters on that record.

i think i'm missing somethin here. will someone please enlighten me, why is the Thai on that list? i basically agree the ratings, except Castillo should be higher than Juan Manuel Marquez (i mean, who has he fought besides decisioning Victor Polo last year?) and where's Jermain Taylor?