Who is/was the biggest fraud in boxing

Yo the guy who said roy jones is a fraud have you seen his spped son he's amazing, apparently if you think he's a fraud you must not have saw him fight

Main Entry: fraud Function: noun Etymology: Latin fraud- fraus 1 a: a misrepresentation or concealment with reference to some fact material to a transaction that is made with knowledge of its falsity or in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity and with the intent to deceive another and that is reasonably relied on by the other who is injured thereby b : the affirmative defense of having acted in response to a fraud Misrepresentation = Unwillingly consuming Anabolic Steroids. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

honestly I think Toney took one of those thinning steroids. like Windstraw or whatever its called. not all juice is for bulking. who knows, it could've been from the bicep juice. . Nandrolone = Anabolic Steroid. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

No it doesn't...he was dumb/ignorant and one should never put anything that they aren't 100% sure about in their body. He was punished for it and continues to be punished for it. However, I can't agree with going to extremes and calling a 1st ballot HOF, all-time great champion like James Toney a fraud for something like this. I just can't see how you can like a guy like Vargas (you are a Vargas fan correct?), while ridiculing Toney for this. Vargas is a fraud too. I like him personally...but am forced to discredit many of his achievements because of his steroid use. This has absolutely nothing to do with achievements...per say. Because I'm totally aware of Toney's history as a fighter. I just think ignorance is no defense to the law, and I've been harsh/critical of Vargas in the past as well. I'd have to dig through my posts to find it however. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Ok. I see exactly what you are getting at...but let me ask you a serious question. By him unknowingly recieving steroid suppliments, does that clear him from wrong doing? No it doesn't...he was dumb/ignorant and one should never put anything that they aren't 100% sure about in their body. He was punished for it and continues to be punished for it. However, I can't agree with going to extremes and calling a 1st ballot HOF, all-time great champion like James Toney a fraud for something like this. I just can't see how you can like a guy like Vargas (you are a Vargas fan correct?), while ridiculing Toney for this.

Like you half-heartedly agreed with...theres NO logical reason he'd do it on PURPOSE. Ok. I see exactly what you are getting at...but let me ask you a serious question. By him unknowingly recieving steroid suppliments, does that clear him from wrong doing? Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Dude....I already answered you. I clearly stated I have no idea why Toney would jeopardize that. And I wasn't trying to patronize you by repeating sentences. Well I said I was going to leave it alone, but fuck it. That's what I meant by not answering my question. You are answering me like a robotic judge. "I'll state it again. Fact: He used anabolic steroids and that is considered cheating. There is absolutely no defense in this case...because this is not a case filled with accusations. It's filled with medical evidence and a confession by the fighter in discussion." I was asking you to be reasonable and make your own decision about it...not hide behind the "he took illegal drugs hes a fraud" thing. Yes that sounded a bit patronizing, but I'm a grown ass man it's no biggie. Fact shows that he took an illegal substance yes. Reason however, points towards him most-likely unknowingly taking a supplement to repair his bicep. Like you half-heartedly agreed with...theres NO logical reason he'd do it on PURPOSE. The sole purpose for me even debating about this is to get you to admit that he didn't take illegal steroids on purpose to get a leg up on the competition.

You've made yourself clear on that. You aren't speaking with some half-wit here. I'm going to sign-off on this by taking your inability to give me a REASONABLE answer to my question as a sign that you understand what I'm saying. Dude....I already answered you. I clearly stated I have no idea why Toney would jeopardize that. And I wasn't trying to patronize you by repeating sentences. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Let me make myself clear. There is no possible way for me to sift through Toney's pyschosis and figure out exactly whe HE CHEATED. I'll state it again. Fact: He used anabolic steroids and that is considered cheating. There is absolutely no defense in this case...because this is not a case filled with accusations. It's filled with medical evidence and a confession by the fighter in discussion. You've made yourself clear on that. You aren't speaking with some half-wit here. I'm going to sign-off on this by taking your inability to give me a REASONABLE answer to my question as a sign that you understand what I'm saying.

You dodged everything I asked you. The only thing that irks me here is that you are making it out like he INTENTIONALLY cheated to get a leg up on the competition. Why would he take em? He knows he's going to be tested after the fight. He's not a maniac...so why why why? Let me make myself clear. There is no possible way for me to sift through Toney's pyschosis and figure out exactly whe HE CHEATED. I'll state it again. Fact: He used anabolic steroids and that is considered cheating. There is absolutely no defense in this case...because this is not a case filled with accusations. It's filled with medical evidence and a confession by the fighter in discussion. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

You dodged everything I asked you. The only thing that irks me here is that you are making it out like he INTENTIONALLY cheated to get a leg up on the competition. Why would he take em? He knows he's going to be tested after the fight. He's not a maniac...so why why why? He won't answer because he can't, because he simply doesn't know. Just like he dodges every point I ever bring up, and rather quotes some obscure thing that I wrote about Barry Bonds being a steroid pumping cheater in a game where it would actually help. He simply can't answer you. It is HIGHLY unlikely that James Toney would have intentionally taken a steroid, HIGHLY. Read the articly I posted, too, you might find it interesting.

Fact: James Toney used anabolic steroids. The day that becomes acceptable....is the day hell freezes over. Not only was it not an accusation...he was cold busted. Do I think he needed them? absolutely not. Do I think it completely tarnished his image as far as as being a fighter is concerned? you had better believe it. He cheated by using anabolic steroids. I realize Toney is your guy...and you find my posts insulting. I'm only relaying facts...facts being he cheated. As far as the bolded text is concerned.....My guess is as good as yours. He won the WBA title...and was stripped for being a cheater. A cheater is a fraud in my book. You dodged everything I asked you. The only thing that irks me here is that you are making it out like he INTENTIONALLY cheated to get a leg up on the competition. Why would he take em? He knows he's going to be tested after the fight. He's not a maniac...so why why why?

I realize you are mad...that I pointed out what a hypocrite you are....so just save all the typing. I don't think I'll even bother reading your contradictory posts anymore. That's what you do, because you simply can't answer. You're just not well enough informed to be able to actually debate a topic with someone. Whenever another person brings up facts, cold, hard facts, that contradict what you think you give up, and then play some childish (yet incredibly half-assed) games with them. RwK: "You don't know what you're talking about, Wladimir has only been down once in his career!" Person: "Actually, he was floored FIVE times against Peter, TKO'ed by Brewster and Corrie Sanders, and has definitely been wobbled in other fights." RwK: "I'm done, because I can no longer stand to see that I simply don't know what I'm talking about, and EVERYONE on this forum knows more than me." At any rate, since you simply cannot comprehend what others write, I'm just going to let you wallow in ignorance, grabbing on the nuts of neverweres, and bashing on all time greats. I'd like to finish my post in saying that there is absolutely no contradiction in anything I have said regarding steroids. There is a difference in taking a steroid in a sport where it will actually help your performance, such as baseball, football, basketball, and one where it is simply not going to do anything for you, especially when power is not your strong point to begin with, such in the case of boxing, and more specifically James Toney. And, as to nandrolone, here's an article everyone should read: http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/nandrolone/nandj.htm A quick quote: A much more likely theory has recently emerged from the results of a preliminary investigation at Aberdeen University. The findings are that dietary supplements themselves are harmless and produce no increased levels of nandrolone. Exercise alone, too, doesn't cause any problems. But a combination of both dietary supplements (none of which contain a banned substance) and exercise, can result in a positive nandrolone test. The reason for this is still unclear, but one theory is that there is a link between heavy training, the dehydration that goes with it, and their effects upon the components of high protein diets. Until more work is done, however, the 'nandrolone mystery' goes on...

Come on run...there's a time for being a stickler and theres a time for being a realist. You REALLY think that James Toney was all, "oh shit I gotta get me some anabolic steroids to make me bigger/faster/stronger so i can completely demolish this tough opponent john ruiz"...? Or... Does it sound more reasonable that he ignorantly took a supplement to help repair his bicep? You tell me WHY he would want to PURPOSELY screw up his big shot at the heavyweight crown that he's been talking about for as long as I can remember? Fact: James Toney used anabolic steroids. The day that becomes acceptable....is the day hell freezes over. Not only was it not an accusation...he was cold busted. Do I think he needed them? absolutely not. Do I think it completely tarnished his image as far as as being a fighter is concerned? you had better believe it. He cheated by using anabolic steroids. I realize Toney is your guy...and you find my posts insulting. I'm only relaying facts...facts being he cheated. As far as the bolded text is concerned.....My guess is as good as yours. He won the WBA title...and was stripped for being a cheater. A cheater is a fraud in my book. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Come on run...there's a time for being a stickler and theres a time for being a realist. You REALLY think that James Toney was all, "oh shit I gotta get me some anabolic steroids to make me bigger/faster/stronger so i can completely demolish this tough opponent john ruiz"...? Or... Does it sound more reasonable that he ignorantly took a supplement to help repair his bicep? You tell me WHY he would want to PURPOSELY screw up his big shot at the heavyweight crown that he's been talking about for as long as I can remember?

You're looking at one fight over a 70+ fight career, which is a lot different than Barry Bonds. You completely took that quote out of context. Barry Bonds is being touted as the greatest to ever play because of his HR record, which was steroid induced. Toney got caught ONE TIME, which means he wasn't doing the shit before. Aside from that, he had a bicep injury previously, and the steroid definitely didn't give him extra endurance. He never hurt Ruiz worse than any other guy Ruiz has fought has. The result of that fight was not steroid induced. See, the problem with you is that you have your head rammed up your ass. You hang on the nuts of the Klitschko's, two completely unproven fighters, and then bash guys who have beat top contenders their entire careers, then, near the tail end of it, get caught up in something, and then say that they're a fraud, despite the fact that he was clean for 75 of 76 fights, and the steroids had no effect on the outcome. You're a fucking tool. (The point is further proven by the fact that you actually remember what people post her several months ago) I realize you are mad...that I pointed out what a hypocrite you are....so just save all the typing. I don't think I'll even bother reading your contradictory posts anymore. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Anabolic Steroids. End of Story. I already won the arguement...and there is no rebuttle. From my overrated athletes thread....so don't go there. You're looking at one fight over a 70+ fight career, which is a lot different than Barry Bonds. You completely took that quote out of context. Barry Bonds is being touted as the greatest to ever play because of his HR record, which was steroid induced. Toney got caught ONE TIME, which means he wasn't doing the shit before. Aside from that, he had a bicep injury previously, and the steroid definitely didn't give him extra endurance. He never hurt Ruiz worse than any other guy Ruiz has fought has. The result of that fight was not steroid induced. See, the problem with you is that you have your head rammed up your ass. You hang on the nuts of the Klitschko's, two completely unproven fighters, and then bash guys who have beat top contenders their entire careers, then, near the tail end of it, get caught up in something, and then say that they're a fraud, despite the fact that he was clean for 75 of 76 fights, and the steroids had no effect on the outcome. You're a fucking tool. (The point is further proven by the fact that you actually remember what people post her several months ago) Good. It would be interesting to see how he does against Hasbeen without the sauce. A lot like he did to Guinn. He's gonna force the fight to come to him, the counter all day. Haseem will come inside and try to bang his body, and he'll use his superior skills to outbox him on the inside. EDIT: To RunswithKnives: I just find it absolutely astounding that you can be a Klitschko fan, and praise them as some sort of boxing greats (or even goods, especially Vitali, Mr. fight once a year and never get back because I'm constantly injuring myself, despite the fact that almost every boxer fights with a minor injury here or there... hell, some fight with broken hands), and then bash on Toney, a true boxing great. You really need to go do some research on boxing, because, as it stands right now, Toney is about the furthest thing from a fraud there is in boxing.

Hahahaa fuckin good for him. How did people get his hands on those pictures?? Or did he post them himself? Yeah Tony Blitz took them off his Myspace account. Manny also got so mad...he made a poll asking for the thunderdome to be closed down. LOL Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

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Well that asshole FAGBLOOD keeps giving me bad K for no reason, then there are a couple of other fuckin humps in this forum who dont like me. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/Stoonod/ccd.jpg Bloodshit aka IMSOGAYY aka GAYY and http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/Stoonod/wil1.jpg PANSY_P aka Manny_P They gave me bad K for nothin LMFAO! Manny is gone I think man....did you see the thread in the thunderdome? http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65196 He got his ass embarrased big time...and ran off. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!