would chavez have beat tszyu in his prime?

I agree. A prime Chavez would have defeated Tszyu for sure. Probably by UD. no ur not agreeing with me..i said tszyu would have still beat him..he punches harder then chavez and is overall a better fighter

when chavez fought tszyu..he was almost 39...but me personally i dont think he would have beaten tszyu at any point in his career..who agrees? Chavez was too busy fighting Tijuana Cab drivers in his prime.

The competition alone that Chavez and Whitacker faced in comparison the Kostya says it all. Whitacker would of embarrased him and Chavez would of plain beat him.

Whitaker and Chavez are the top two fighters of the 1990's. But Kostya Tszyu is the best 140lber ever, ahead of Pryor.

Think about it like this... tszyu got hugged to death in his last fight... he didnt know what to do with a guy that was on him. The same happened when he fought OLD roger mayweather. Tsyu looked bad. Prime 140 Chavez would be all over Tsyzu, landing MANY more times than hatton, creating more damage than hatton. Most people here only seem to remember old chavez. The Prime chavez was an offesnsive technician. If there was one thing he did great was to inflict a lot of damage. He also had respectable hand speed. So let me get this straight, people are saying Tszyu would beat a guy, who puts pressure on his opponent like hatton does, only he does it while inflicting a lot of damage, moves better, has more experience, a granite chin, great timing, and essentially a benchmark in the way fighters are supposed to break others down. :rolleyes: Im guessing alot of people on this page are to young, never had the chance to enjoy watching in the late 80's early 90's.

Think about it like this... tszyu got hugged to death in his last fight... he didnt know what to do with a guy that was on him. The same happened when he fought OLD roger mayweather. Tsyu looked bad. Prime 140 Chavez would be all over Tsyzu, landing MANY more times than hatton, creating more damage than hatton. Most people here only seem to remember old chavez. The Prime chavez was an offesnsive technician. If there was one thing he did great was to inflict a lot of damage. He also had respectable hand speed. So let me get this straight, people are saying Tszyu would beat a guy, who puts pressure on his opponent like hatton does, only he does it while inflicting a lot of damage, moves better, has more experience, a granite chin, great timing, and essentially a benchmark in the way fighters are supposed to break others down. :rolleyes:

I think Chavez would of beat Kostya, Chavez had a great chin and was technically sound he didnt do anything great his did everything good and he was relentless and had great stamina.

hatton better than chavez. please. that is one of the worst cases of ethnocentrism i have seen on boxing scene and there are a lot of them. Hatton is one of the most skilled fighters I've ever seen, I've not seen anybody yet who was able to do some of the stuff he has done. He hasn't shown much form in his last two fights, but he's got himself in a great position now. If Hatton beats Mayweather he'd be top-five all-time lb4lb material.

How many people put a PRIME Chavez on his butt? Also, have you heard of Edwin Rosario and/or did you know anything of his punching power? These are sincere questions. I think Tszyu's concentrated power shots were harder than JCC's, but JCC's overall punching was heavier than was Tszyu's. It's really a simple matter of JCC being a scarier version of Hatton with a more refined style. Tszyu didn't exactly have the most solid chin and Chavez' chin was iron-cast. Dunno. Tszyu's chin seemed pretty good to me. Not the best ever, but pretty good. Plus, Rosario was a lightweight and Tszyu regularly weighed in at 150+. So I'd say that Tszyu hit harder than Rosario, though that's just an opinion. And I'm not sure I agree with your take on the punching power. I'd believe a guy who took both fighters shots more than anything. And I think Chavez & Hatton are different styles. Providing Chavez wasn't allowed to hold, headbutt, hit low & then nod to the ref when he wanted a break, it could be an even fight... :)

I think Prime JCC would make Zoo quit or TKO him late......

There are a couple of guys who fought both Tszyu & Chavez. 1) Juan LaPorte - said that Tszyu's left rip was the hardest punch he ever took. Harder than any Chavez body punch. This surprised me - not that the punch was that hard, but that he didn't say Tszyu's straight right was the hardest punch. 2) Sammy Fuentes - Went 10 with Chavez, went 55 seconds with Tszyu. This was before Fuentes won the WBO title, so he wasn't washed up. There are a few others, with most pointing to Tszyu hitting harder. I think Tszyu would have to box to win this one, but I still think he would catch a prime Chavez & sit him down. This would be a big influence on Chavez for the rest of the fight. How many people put a PRIME Chavez on his butt? Also, have you heard of Edwin Rosario and/or did you know anything of his punching power? These are sincere questions. I think Tszyu's concentrated power shots were harder than JCC's, but JCC's overall punching was heavier than was Tszyu's. It's really a simple matter of JCC being a scarier version of Hatton with a more refined style. Tszyu didn't exactly have the most solid chin and Chavez' chin was iron-cast.

i have to respectfully disagree - i've seen most if not all of jcc's fights and pretty much followed tzuyu since the ams - at no point in his life was he on jcc's level - well - he was the better boxer but he'd a slugged it out w/ jcc and payed dearly for it. There are a couple of guys who fought both Tszyu & Chavez. 1) Juan LaPorte - said that Tszyu's left rip was the hardest punch he ever took. Harder than any Chavez body punch. This surprised me - not that the punch was that hard, but that he didn't say Tszyu's straight right was the hardest punch. 2) Sammy Fuentes - Went 10 with Chavez, went 55 seconds with Tszyu. This was before Fuentes won the WBO title, so he wasn't washed up. There are a few others, with most pointing to Tszyu hitting harder. I think Tszyu would have to box to win this one, but I still think he would catch a prime Chavez & sit him down. This would be a big influence on Chavez for the rest of the fight.

Tough call. I think anyone that would give Kosta space to land his right hand would lose. He was just that good and his old-school style most guys just couldn't figure out.

it wouldnt of mattered.. kosta would have knocked him out in his prime exactly the way he did in 2000

Yes....... stupid stupid stupid. no fucking way juyjuy. go back to sniffing eubanks balls and try not to make an ass of your self. prime chavez beats a whole lot of the best fighters around today including kt and hatton. hatton better than chavez. please. that is one of the worst cases of ethnocentrism i have seen on boxing scene and there are a lot of them.

when chavez fought tszyu..he was almost 39...but me personally i dont think he would have beaten tszyu at any point in his career..who agrees? Uh no. Chavez was way too intense for Tszyu. Tszyu would not have been able to fight at the pace he likes. He would essentially be in with a faster, stronger, harder punching and tougher version of Ricky Hatton. Such a fighter Tszyu would not beat at any stage of his career. Vince Phillips and Ricky Hatton won for the exact same reasons. Their strategies were the same.

Tszyu would be competitive but he wouldn't be able to keep Chavez off of him. Chavez was very strong at 140 as well and he was also a very heavy puncher. Chavez was not only hard to hurt but in his prime he rarely got busted up even when taken punches but he consistently hurt and busted his opponents up. Chavez breaks down Tszyu's body, punishes him and stops him late.

I guess it all depends on whether or not Tszyu moved around, something he didn't do frequently, but did very well when he wanted to. Good lateral movement and use of angles sets up that right hand that could put alot of middleweights down. Like I said earlier, JCC would wear Tszyu down, but that dpeends on if Kosta uses his feet or not. Great fight, lots of action and I'm sure someone would bleed!

Kostya has some power, JCC has a great chin and good movement. His specialty though was picking out effective punches. He would take Kostya out within 9 in his prime. Picking him apart with many, many body shots.

agree, tszyu was way more powerfull and a better boxer Tszyu had a great straight right hand. Chavez is a heavier puncher overall however...and he retained his punch very late into fights.