Boxrec has Ezzard Charles as #1 heavyweight of all time.

Common knowledge. Yo have not proved this yet to be so, so how did this all of a sudden turn into common knowledge? Defensive boxing in todays era is completely different. Jack Johnson loved going inside, the inside is bowe's world. Jack Johnson was clinching, throwing single punches, not combos. He didnt beat guys that were on bowe's level, no where close. His chin is weaker than bowe's, riddick wouldnt lose to johnson's style of fighting.

more like 3, its common knowledge what the outcome would have been if johnson and bowe fought. Common knowledge. Yo have not proved this yet to be so, so how did this all of a sudden turn into common knowledge?

Who is everyone? I saw only one person who agreed with you, lol! more like 3, its common knowledge what the outcome would have been if johnson and bowe fought.

when did i say ali was the first defensive fights, i think ur getting me mixed up lol. Everyone agreed with me that bowe would have crushed johnson, they didnt agree with you, wake up. Who is everyone? I saw only one person who agreed with you, lol!

No, I watch films of fighters. You don't. You just believe the old jargon that old fighters were people who just slugged it out until one person fell. You even said that Ali was the first defensive fighter, that says it all. So I suppose their was no defensive fighting before 1960, huh? Lol. Again, I will ask you to go watch film and then argue about this instead of making yourself look like a fool. when did i say ali was the first defensive fights, i think ur getting me mixed up lol. Everyone agreed with me that bowe would have crushed johnson, they didnt agree with you, wake up.

Boxrec.com has Ezzard Charles as the number one heavyweight of all time. Just take a look. Do you agree? World All Time Heavyweight Ratings (click on boxer's name for record) Next 50 » Name Points Career W-L-D » Last 6 » 1 Ezzard Charles 1,711 1940 - 1959 87-25-1 2 Muhammad Ali 1,693 1960 - 1981 56-5-0 3 Joe Louis 1,693 1934 - 1951 68-3-0 4 Jimmy Bivins 1,676 1940 - 1955 86-25-1 5 Floyd Patterson 1,648 1952 - 1972 55-8-1 6 Rocky Marciano 1,619 1947 - 1955 49-0-0 7 Evander Holyfield 1,596 1984 - 2004 38-8-2 8 Sonny Liston 1,596 1953 - 1970 50-4-0 9 Jersey Joe Walcott 1,589 1930 - 1953 51-18-2 10 Mike Tyson 1,581 1985 - 2005 50-6-0 11 George Foreman 1,577 1969 - 1997 76-5-0 12 Larry Holmes 1,576 1973 - 2002 69-6-0 13 Joe Frazier 1,549 1965 - 1981 32-4-1 14 Eddie Machen 1,547 1955 - 1967 50-11-3 15 Michael Spinks 1,544 1977 - 1988 31-1-0 16 Lennox Lewis 1,543 1989 - 2003 41-2-1 Of course I dont agree with it! Who would?! Its just not right.

Actually i have, dude ur an idiot. Stop trying to act like you know it all, everyone that i have talked to say that when you first joined this forum, u were so clueless when it came to boxing in general. In those days boxing lacked fundamantles, it was basically streetfighting in a ring. You dont form your own opinion on anything, you just look up random websites and see what other people say about a fighter. Everyone else was basically saying you are a joke when you thought johnson would have beaten bowe, you still wont get it. No, I watch films of fighters. You don't. You just believe the old jargon that old fighters were people who just slugged it out until one person fell. You even said that Ali was the first defensive fighter, that says it all. So I suppose their was no defensive fighting before 1960, huh? Lol. Again, I will ask you to go watch film and then argue about this instead of making yourself look like a fool.

As far as Ezzard Charles IMO one of the best light heavyweights, and also a very good heavyweight.....P4P at least top15.......

You probably never seen any footage from that time period, so you are not fit to talk about that era. Actually i have, dude ur an idiot. Stop trying to act like you know it all, everyone that i have talked to say that when you first joined this forum, u were so clueless when it came to boxing in general. In those days boxing lacked fundamantles, it was basically streetfighting in a ring. You dont form your own opinion on anything, you just look up random websites and see what other people say about a fighter. Everyone else was basically saying you are a joke when you thought johnson would have beaten bowe, you still wont get it.

You probably never seen any footage from that time period, so you are not fit to talk about that era. usually i would say shut up butterfly. but your right

nope, fighters from the 20s and below are inferior. You probably never seen any footage from that time period, so you are not fit to talk about that era.

BULLSHIT, by that criteria Holyfield is thirty times better that Charles. That ranking is the most rediculous bullshit ever. WTF are you talking about? Charles accomplished so much more than Holyfield did beneath heavyweight.

No pay no attention to BoxRec's all-time rankings because they are flawed to say the least. But one thing they do is carry over what a fighter did at a lower weight into the higher weight division, in which case it becomes more of a P4P computerized divisional ranking...In terms of P4P greatness, yes, one could make the case that Ezzard Charles was the single greatest fighter to have ever fought in the Heavyweight division. BULLSHIT, by that criteria Holyfield is thirty times better that Charles. That ranking is the most rediculous bullshit ever.

Charles may be deserving of this ranking at 175, but not HW.

Wasn't Jimmy Bivins a Middle/light-heavy as well?

I thought fighters from 50 years ago was inferior to taday's heavyweights.:rolleyes: nope, fighters from the 20s and below are inferior.

ppl voted so they aint that fucked up

He is p4p. The guy beat joe louis, walcott twice, gus lisnovich, maxim 5 times, moore 3 times, burley twice and hes a fuckin middleweight! I thought fighters from 50 years ago was inferior to taday's heavyweights.:rolleyes:

charles should not be ahead of ali by any means. He is p4p. The guy beat joe louis, walcott twice, gus lisnovich, maxim 5 times, moore 3 times, burley twice and hes a fuckin middleweight!

charles should not be ahead of ali by any means.