Should Hatton be on the P4P list?

I think P4P should be based on your ability to move up through the weight classes and DOMINATE.

here's my list: 1.mayweather 2.Winky Wright 3.bernard hopkins 4.manny pacquiao 5.zab judah 6.marco antonio barera 7.jermain taylor 8.hatton 9.corrales 10castillo i think im biased... but whatb the hey...

I agree with your p4p logic,but then that last part about Taylor is just your opinion because you like Hop I like both fighters alike,matter a fact I think Taylor has a more exciting style than Hopkins.If I had to choose between them fighting a fighter lets say Lacy,Id choose Taylor vs. Lacy over Hopkins vs. Lacy.I certainly dont think Taylor should take Hopkins place in the ranking.He has much to prove before being a worthy top 10 p4p fighter.I think its unfair for a guy to fight and beat the best for years get their place taken over by a guy who just beat 1 good fighter.Like I said there should be a top 3 or maybe even 5 list instead of 10 or 20 cause it doesnt leave much room for argument. My list..... 1.Mayweather (most talented fighter today,undeafeted) 2.Barrera (dominant for years,Last loss to Manny other than that has been winning championship fights)(would have been Morales) 3.R.Marquez(beating all the top contenders,hard to find someone that matches him p4p) After this there can be an invisible list of guys next in line in case 1 of the top 3 falls.

TheEvilSaint I was just mocking how half the teenagers here think Lacy deserves a P4P spot in the top 10. The fact is, Hatton beat a legend in Tszyu, who I believe was #4 or #5 in the rankings before the loss. This in itself warrants Hatton to be in the top 10. In order to be the best, you have to beat the best. Fatton :) did so.

If Lacy should be top 10 P4P because of the way He destroys his opponents, then I believe Hatton should too. Hatton should be somewhere around top 10. right after he beats calfaggy, i will agree with you. if destroying ur opponent is p4p material (regardless of who that opponent is), then that means that mike tyson and george foreman are the two greatest HWs of all time.

If Lacy should be top 10 P4P because of the way He destroys his opponents, then I believe Hatton should too. Hatton should be somewhere around top 10.

hes performed two incredible feats in his past two fights: he beat a modern legend in his hometown in one of the biggest upsets of the year. and he suffered two cuts on his way to defeating another upset fighter to unify two of the four 140lb titles. those two feats alone give him the right to be in the p4p list.

i have barrera #1 on my p4p list

But come on Bomber, I don't see anyone complaining about Taylor being on the list. His resume does not impress me over Hatton's and he did JUST that as Hatton... the only difference, Taylor got a controversial win over Hopkins and Hatton made Tszyu quit. Difference is... An American beat an American Vs. A European beat another European who now lives in Australia Again... If Corrales is on the list and so is Taylor.. Hatton definitely needs to be on the top 10.I see someone has already pointed out that logic in previous posts. Apologies for repeating, but glad to agree

wtf is all this nonesense?think of all the TOP guys Castillo and Corrales have fought thru out the years.Hatton needs to come to America to even be considered a top 10.He beat an old Tzyu and a guy that got a belt cause he got lucky.Hatton is a good fighter but he in my eyes has not proven to be top 10 P4P material.He certainly has some qualities that may rule the division but hasnt fought enough top quality opponents.His time will come to prove to me if he deserved that right but at this moment he isnt.I was reading some other sites and some guys are saying that with this win he is the best boxer on the planet.:confused:But come on Bomber, I don't see anyone complaining about Taylor being on the list. His resume does not impress me over Hatton's and he did JUST that as Hatton... the only difference, Taylor got a controversial win over Hopkins and Hatton made Tszyu quit. Difference is... An American beat an American Vs. A European beat another European who now lives in Australia Again... If Corrales is on the list and so is Taylor.. Hatton definitely needs to be on the top 10.

hatton should be on there and so should toney and taylor should be taken off. if he isnt exposed next saturday he will be very soon.

I stand by what I said styles make fights which contradicts p4p term.1 win doesnt make you great or should it put you on a top 10 p4p list.Montell beat Jones but did he trump him?Didnt matter how, a win for Griffin a loss for Jones,Taylor won a controversial D of a very close fight againts Hopkins he hasnt done what Hopkins has and NEVER will. I agree with your p4p logic,but then that last part about Taylor is just your opinion because you like Hop

Funny, you say p4p isn't about career accomplishments but now you're bringing up Toney's career to slight him in a discussion about p4p rankings. :rolleyes: Many people feel that it's about your career, many feel it's about how the fighters would all stack up against each other if they were all in the same weight class. You tryin to tell me that you think the guys you listed before Toney would all beat him if they were in the same weight class? Get outta here... The way you are approaching this is a "what have you done for me lately" stance. Toney has easily beaten everyone he's fought at heavyweight so far (even though there were no world beaters in that list) and has a shot to beat any/every champion in the division right now. I can't see your beef with anyone putting him in a top ten list hombre. You know, when he beat Ruiz people started to put him in the 10/9 spot.To me it was like, WTF its not like you had Ruiz in that position before the fight.

I stand by what I said styles make fights which contradicts p4p term.1 win doesnt make you great or should it put you on a top 10 p4p list.Montell beat Jones but did he trump him?Didnt matter how, a win for Griffin a loss for Jones,Taylor won a controversial D of a very close fight againts Hopkins he hasnt done what Hopkins has and NEVER will. Excellent post.

The guys Rafa whooped don;t compare to MAB or Juan. But, Raf is overlooked and that's not fair. One win should put you up. If you beat the guy, then you are the guy, period. But the loser of a match like that should probably still be top 10 p4p or close to it, and given a chance to redeem himself. If you are top 3 pfp and you lose to someone that does't have your career acomps, that's just too damned bad, you shouldn't have lost. When Roy lost, Tarver trumped him on p4p lists. When Hops lost, Taylor trumped him on p4p lists. When Tszyu lost, Hatton trumped him on p4p lists. All of that was fair. They lost. Raf Marquez should be top 3 or 4 p4p...it's really not much of a debate either.

Toney doesn't deserve top 3. He has one significant win in the last 6-7 years (Jirov). Oldyfield wasn't a good win and his fight vs Ruiz was a NC. You cannot put someone top 3 p4p just based on how he's looked vs average guys when Toney doesn't have some kinda long term success sustained behind it. Toney is BELIEVED to be able to be a heavyweight champ, but he has to prove it. At absolute best, Toney should be near the bottom of the p4p list. Funny, you say p4p isn't about career accomplishments but now you're bringing up Toney's career to slight him in a discussion about p4p rankings. :rolleyes: Many people feel that it's about your career, many feel it's about how the fighters would all stack up against each other if they were all in the same weight class. You tryin to tell me that you think the guys you listed before Toney would all beat him if they were in the same weight class? Get outta here... The way you are approaching this is a "what have you done for me lately" stance. Toney has easily beaten everyone he's fought at heavyweight so far (even though there were no world beaters in that list) and has a shot to beat any/every champion in the division right now. I can't see your beef with anyone putting him in a top ten list hombre.

I stand by what I said styles make fights which contradicts p4p term.1 win doesnt make you great or should it put you on a top 10 p4p list.Montell beat Jones but did he trump him?Didnt matter how, a win for Griffin a loss for Jones,Taylor won a controversial D of a very close fight againts Hopkins he hasnt done what Hopkins has and NEVER will.

The guys Rafa whooped don;t compare to MAB or Juan. But, Raf is overlooked and that's not fair. One win should put you up. If you beat the guy, then you are the guy, period. But the loser of a match like that should probably still be top 10 p4p or close to it, and given a chance to redeem himself. If you are top 3 pfp and you lose to someone that does't have your career acomps, that's just too damned bad, you shouldn't have lost. When Roy lost, Tarver trumped him on p4p lists. When Hops lost, Taylor trumped him on p4p lists. When Tszyu lost, Hatton trumped him on p4p lists. All of that was fair. They lost. Good points, I agree totally and that's the way it should be.

hmm P4p he would beat most of the top ten on your list. That cannot be proved, and it's Toney's job to prove it. Beating Dominick Guinn and Evander Crustyfield doesn't do that. If RJJ never beat Toney, you couldn't put him ahead of Toney p4p just cuz you think he would beat him. That's stupid. You can voice your opinion that you think he'd win, but you can't reasonably rank himhigher until it HAPPENS. When Toney beats Brew, Klit, etc, then he can crack top 10.

hmm The guys Rafa whooped don;t compare to MAB or Juan. But, Raf is overlooked and that's not fair. One win should put you up. If you beat the guy, then you are the guy, period. But the loser of a match like that should probably still be top 10 p4p or close to it, and given a chance to redeem himself. If you are top 3 pfp and you lose to someone that does't have your career acomps, that's just too damned bad, you shouldn't have lost. When Roy lost, Tarver trumped him on p4p lists. When Hops lost, Taylor trumped him on p4p lists. When Tszyu lost, Hatton trumped him on p4p lists. All of that was fair. They lost.