Battling American Prejudice

The lack of hardship experienced by some Champs from Europe, coupled with their "sportsman" desire to win without putting on a freak show, trasnslates into a "lack of heart" in North America. Because poverty, terrorism, racism, war, fammine, ethnic cleansing... etc, etc, etc are all exclusive to America...

I am always pulling for the Klitschko's not because of their nationality or race, but because when they win it pisses Don King off. When Don King is unhappy, I am happy. I like Peter and Toney (when not co-promoted by King) for the same reason.

what a bunch of jibberish... you people are the exact same way, if not more racist, towards us. didn't you seen national lampoons european vacation?? lol...im not european . .im african.. but i dont think they are racist to us.. i mean european whites are much tougher in boxing than white americans.. but europeans fighters are not marketable or liked

http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/289/18/wladimir84901129586831.jpg Jack Johnson would have beamed his giant grin as Wladimir Klitschko overpowered Samuel Peter the other week. He may have frowned at Klitschko's three trips to the canvas - Johnson would never have been so sloppy -but he would have relished the anguish felt by Klitschko's detractors after the fight. Come November 12th, Johnson would no doubt be rooting for Wlad's brother Vitali, defending his WBC title against Hasim Rahman. Johnson fought all his life against the cruel and unjust prejudices of his fellow Americans. Almost 100 years on and whilst the race being targeted may have changed, those same old, inbuilt American prejudices still remain. In boxing, if not in everything else, Americans hate Europeans. The Klitschko brothers are ridiculed and abused, the giant Russian Nikolay Valuev is written off as a mere freak show, and even Lennox Lewis still struggles to be granted his rightful place among the all-time greats. No matter how strong a set of boxing skills you possess, if your passport originates from the EU then America will never accept you. With hindsight the outcome of the Klitschko-Peter fight was more obvious than first thought. Wlad has far superior boxing skills to the plodding Peter and as long as he could avoid the Nigerian's undeniable power, he would easily be able to outbox and overcome Peter. Yet such was America's desire to see the end of Klitschko's career that even normally accurate American writers were predicting a Peter win, swayed by their anti-European bias. Boxing forums and chatrooms alike were inundated with comments by American fight fans gleefully looking forward to witnessing Klitschko's demise, his career ended. In the end, the biggest surprise of the night was Peter's durability. He displayed a chin made from granite as he absorbed some punishing shots from the giant Ukrainian. After the fight, Klitschko was respectful and dignified, not bragging about his victory or proclaiming his greatness. Both Klitschkos rarely become embroiled in the trash talking which usually fills pre- and post-fight press conferences. Indeed America's attitude towards the Klitschkos is even more dumb-founding when both men are such articulate, intelligent, likeable characters. It is not simply a case of over-zealous American patriotism at play. Indeed Samuel Peter is no more American than Wladimir Klitschko. It is worth noting that Peter is a devoted Christian, which is a great points-scorer with Americans. Certainly American prejudice seems intertwined with not only a nationalistic but also a religious favouritism. If you can't actually be American, then being a practising Christian is the next best thing. Yet the over-riding contributor to American opinion seems to be an inbuilt hatred of Europeans. Whether this is borne out of a jealousy of Europe's sophisticated cultures and deep intellectual wealth, or simply the knowledge that Europe can rival America economically and militarily, is not entirely clear. What is beyond dispute is that European boxers face an almighty struggle to gain recognition from the American public. Wladimir Klitschko may have had a rough ride from Americans leading into the Peter fight, but it is nothing in comparison to the bile and abuse which has been levelled at brother Vitali in recent times. Whilst even loyal Vitali fans admit to being disappointed by their man's lack of momentum since his barnstorming performance against Lennox Lewis, they understand that a mixture of Don King-tainted politics and a succession of serious injuries have hampered the elder brother's progress. Yet Americans choose to overlook these factors and instead claim that Vitali is cowardly avoiding his number one ranked challenger, Hasim Rahman. This very suggestion is risible given The Rock's pathetic recent outing against Monte Barrett. In fact Rahman's whole reputation has been built around perhaps the luckiest punch in heavyweight history, the one he landed to defeat an ill-prepared, out-of-shape Lennox Lewis. Lewis duly won the rematch with ease and Rahman's limitations were further exposed in his next three fights; losses to John Ruiz and an ageing Holyfield along with a draw with David Tua. At this point, had he been European, Rahman's career would have been well and truly finished. Yet Rahman has been resurrected and repackaged as a credible contender through a series of early knockout victories against journeymen opposition. To propose that Klitschko is afraid of Rahman is absurd. If everything goes to form on November 12th, Klitschko will win easily, probably by stoppage, a result which would greatly benefit the heavyweight division. A Klitschko win would help to establish him as the number one heavyweight in the world, a figure the division so desperately needs right now. Despite all the statistics pointing overwhelmingly in Klitschko's favour, many American fight fans are still predicting a Rahman win, their anti-European mindsets clouding their opinions. They are determined to see Klitschko fail so that their superiority complex can be preserved. This sentiment is even more irritating given that Vitali and younger brother Wladimir are probably the most exciting fighters in the division at present. Their styles are certainly more entertaining than the likes of Rahman, WBA champ John Ruiz and IBF belt holder Chris Byrd. Many Americans do accept that Vitali is a better boxer than Rahman but cite what they perceive as a lack of heart with the European as the reason behind their forecasting a Rahman victory. This is a strikingly similar and sinister argument to the one Jack Johnson's detractors used to put forward. It was suggested in Johnson's day that his race lacked important personality traits, such as courage and heart, which would prevent him from ever becoming world champion. Johnson proved them wrong at the start of the last century and now, 100 years on, Klitschko finds himself battling similar prejudices. Hopefully Klitschko will prevail on November 12th and America will be forced to change its way of thinking. One thing is certain; were Johnson still alive today, he would definitely be cheering for the European. what a bunch of jibberish... you people are the exact same way, if not more racist, towards us. didn't you seen national lampoons european vacation??

Both Klit and Peter had a chance to prove they were top-tier guys in the Heavy scene. They didn't. The fall-down-fest they gave us made my interest remain flat. Meaning, I don't see either of them as better or worse than I did before that fight.

lewis didnt get the respect he deserved til very late in his career and he had to practicaly clear out the division to get it... yet, bowe gets alot of respect for matching up well against one guy(holy) despite having poor defense, no movement and a bad chin... look at rahman, he's been KO'd several times in his career, even 1 punch KO'd twice, lost to ruiz and has fought nothing but BUMS the last 3 years, yet he's getting a title shot and there's little to no hate for him on this forum.... i dont see any rahman haters with threads or signatures dedicated to his ridicule...

I dislike George Bush. Hate is for ta haters. I dislike the Klits. Until they grow balls, I will continue dislikin them. Quote: Originally Posted by Rodgers=Bust I hate Wlad. Look at my sig. Wlad looks constipated. You think Wlad could beat Corrie Sanders? Here is some typical hypocritical bullshit from Nashy! Fucker can't remember what he posted from 1 minute to the next.

frankly, to me, this is just alot of crying and moaning, im sorry.

Good point. May I add people liked Vitali after the Lewis fight? then he wasted that momentum. And Ali had it much worse. The media was racist against him and he still showed them up. Plus they tried to draft him and he didnt agree with the war. Ali had it worse. Truth of the matter is, if the Klits are bitchin about their treatment they need to look at Alis experience and grow balls in the meanwhile. But seriously, who remembers Lewis-Tua...I could hear the crowd boowing Lewis from the tv...IMO nationalistic arguments should not be even discussed...the argument never ends well..people get banned and shit. As for Klitschko's getting abused...so what? Ali was abused by media, Holmes was abused by media, Lewis was abused by media. They did not give a fuck.The more they were hated(and prior to Liston's fight Aliwas disliked big time) the more they were motivated to win and be "in your face" about it. So far it looks like the brothers dont care much about all the bashing either. Is some of their fans that do.

Would you stop flaming me and making racist/homosexual taunts at me. I dont swing that way. Cry me a river. Let me fill you in on a few things, from one Klitschko fan to another. 1) Klitschko is ridiculed because, let's face it...he's weird as fuck. His homo-erotic pics and stand up guyness are just different. 2) Valuev is a freak show, and he proved it by losing to Larry Donald. 3) Lewis wasa very good fighter, but he fought the best fighters of his era after they were past their best or failed to rematch guys that challenged him (Mercer, Klitschko, Holyfield, Tyson) which is why ppl resent him. Let me say, there are plenty of ppl (like Nash) who hate the Klitschkos but secretly would love to be anally caressed by them. There is some anti-European bias in some cases and it's ridiculous, but it's also something the Euros can put an end to if they did the simple thing of fighting good fighters and I dunno...hell...maybe leave their hometowns once in a while. P.S. Don't embarrass yourself with all this talk of U.S. people hating Euro fighters because we are secretly jealous of your supposed ability to match our economy, military, or sophistication. Please get outta here with that pompous bullshit. The real reason Euros and Americans in some cases don't see eye to eye is because they are alike in many cases. They do not complement each other well.

But seriously, who remembers Lewis-Tua...I could hear the crowd boowing Lewis from the tv...IMO nationalistic arguments should not be even discussed...the argument never ends well..people get banned and shit. As for Klitschko's getting abused...so what? Ali was abused by media, Holmes was abused by media, Lewis was abused by media. They did not give a fuck.The more they were hated(and prior to Liston's fight Aliwas disliked big time) the more they were motivated to win and be "in your face" about it. So far it looks like the brothers dont care much about all the bashing either. Is some of their fans that do.

This thread sucks...

Cry me a river. Let me fill you in on a few things, from one Klitschko fan to another. 1) Klitschko is ridiculed because, let's face it...he's weird as fuck. His homo-erotic pics and stand up guyness are just different. 2) Valuev is a freak show, and he proved it by losing to Larry Donald. 3) Lewis wasa very good fighter, but he fought the best fighters of his era after they were past their best or failed to rematch guys that challenged him (Mercer, Klitschko, Holyfield, Tyson) which is why ppl resent him. Let me say, there are plenty of ppl (like Nash) who hate the Klitschkos but secretly would love to be anally caressed by them. There is some anti-European bias in some cases and it's ridiculous, but it's also something the Euros can put an end to if they did the simple thing of fighting good fighters and I dunno...hell...maybe leave their hometowns once in a while. P.S. Don't embarrass yourself with all this talk of U.S. people hating Euro fighters because we are secretly jealous of your supposed ability to match our economy, military, or sophistication. Please get outta here with that pompous bullshit. The real reason Euros and Americans in some cases don't see eye to eye is because they are alike in many cases. They do not complement each other well. also in the article, is talks about rahman beating "a bloated, out of shape lewis" or something like that. its not rahmans fault that lewis didnt train and get his ass knocked out based on his record, lewis in an all time great, but he never once fought and defeated a great fighter in the prime. that article is a crock of shit, i like the lewis bros, well i like vitali anyways, am indifferent about wlad but that article is just whining about nothing, jack johnson would be rooting for vitali and wlad?? i have a feeling hed be rooting for peter in that fight

hmm The Klitschko brothers are ridiculed and abused, the giant Russian Nikolay Valuev is written off as a mere freak show, and even Lennox Lewis still struggles to be granted his rightful place among the all-time greats. Cry me a river. Let me fill you in on a few things, from one Klitschko fan to another. 1) Klitschko is ridiculed because, let's face it...he's weird as fuck. His homo-erotic pics and stand up guyness are just different. 2) Valuev is a freak show, and he proved it by losing to Larry Donald. 3) Lewis wasa very good fighter, but he fought the best fighters of his era after they were past their best or failed to rematch guys that challenged him (Mercer, Klitschko, Holyfield, Tyson) which is why ppl resent him. Let me say, there are plenty of ppl (like Nash) who hate the Klitschkos but secretly would love to be anally caressed by them. There is some anti-European bias in some cases and it's ridiculous, but it's also something the Euros can put an end to if they did the simple thing of fighting good fighters and I dunno...hell...maybe leave their hometowns once in a while. P.S. Don't embarrass yourself with all this talk of U.S. people hating Euro fighters because we are secretly jealous of your supposed ability to match our economy, military, or sophistication. Please get outta here with that pompous bullshit. The real reason Euros and Americans in some cases don't see eye to eye is because they are alike in many cases. They do not complement each other well.

being on the convas from illegal blows is a much different matter than having a clean punch land to kock a guy down.

I didn't read the whole article so I will only dispute one point that was in the first couple of paragraphs. American writers picked Peter because 1.) Peter hits like a mack truck. 2)Klit's chin has been suspect. 3.) None of them were too far off, Vlad hit the canvas three times :cool: . I doubt a boxing writer would back a "non European" vs an outmatched one.

people who don't have balls aren't professional boxers. no exceptions. and for the record, i dislike bush immensely also.

I dislike George Bush. Hate is for ta haters. I dislike the Klits. Until they grow balls, I will continue dislikin them. george bush has given me many reasons to hate him neither klitschko has ever given me one. i wish they couldve retired undeafeated just like you, but it just didnt work out that way, maybe you'll get over it, maybe not.

Maybe how weak hearted they are is why Americans hate them. Ever thought of that? Just dont jump on the foreigners shyt. They've given us many reasons to hate them. george bush has given me many reasons to hate him neither klitschko has ever given me one. i wish they couldve retired undeafeated just like you, but it just didnt work out that way, maybe you'll get over it, maybe not.

europeans are weak-hearted? wtf? go to europe and say that. respectfully, that is complete BS.