James Toney: Where Does He Rank All Time?

He put in many poor performances such as Tiberi, Wolfe, Thornton, Jones Jr etc, but he also put in many superb performances. Benn and Eubank would of beaten him at 168, but the guy has won world titles from middleweight to heavyweight against better opposition than Roy Jones.

where on the best HW or best P4P list does he fall? HW: in the top 20-30. P4P: top 30. toneys good for this era, but not really good for history. A top form, physically ready Toney would stack up with ANY 160/168/175 fighter throughout the history of the sport. In time people will recognize just how good he actually could be at times. His skill level is probably top 10 all time...and thats natural fighting ability and technique. A lot of how he should be ranked relies on personal criteria...but theres no denying that he's one of the best fighters of the last 20 years.

After he wins a World Heavyweight Title again.... Top 30

where on the best HW or best P4P list does he fall? HW: in the top 20-30. P4P: top 30. toneys good for this era, but not really good for history.

hmm He lost to Griffin because Griffin was a very skilled fighter in his prime, which is why he gave Roy so many problems in their first fight. Griffin is one of the best 3 lightheavyweights from the last 10 years.

hmm He got a gift decision vs Thiberi ir Thadzi I think, I forget which. At least, many ppl feel it was a gift. I've never heard anyone blame the other loss on weight, but we could ask. Toney is an all-time great, just not top 20. Not yet... If he beat Klitschko that would do it, easy. I would not expect him to beat Klitschko.

Toney did not perform well enough to be called a top 20 fighter of all-time. He lost to Griffin twice in his prime and also to a couple "no-name" fighters. Big wins over Jirov and Nunn and good wins over guys like McCallum help his case though. Top 50 isn't a stretch I guess but tell me what 50 guys are ahead of him. I want to see the list physically to see if it is fair. How the hell did Toney lose to Griffin twice? :confused: :eek: I can't imagine Toney losing to Griffin. I just read that Toney was robbed vs. Griffin. Anyone see the fight? By the way he only loss to one no name fighter, which was because of weight problems.

hmm Toney did not perform well enough to be called a top 20 fighter of all-time. He lost to Griffin twice in his prime and also to a couple "no-name" fighters. Big wins over Jirov and Nunn and good wins over guys like McCallum help his case though. Top 50 isn't a stretch I guess but tell me what 50 guys are ahead of him. I want to see the list physically to see if it is fair.

Where does Toney rank? Hoooo, boy, somewheres between the all you can eat Sushi buffet and the all you can eat Italian buffet when he ain't sneaking off to Baskin & Robbins! Now I give Toney some credit, but folks crack on Roy for not always facing top comp and the same could be said for Toney in spades. Probably Nunn and Jirov are the two best prime fighters he's beat, and only Jirov has a slim outside chance at the HOF. Now if he can record a legit victory over a prime top heavy contender, well, he might be knocking on the top 50 all time. I'm telling you, when one of those big boys get ahold of Toney he's gonna make a mighty big splat on the canvas and we won't hear no more of Tooting Toney's horn section around here.

Toney cracks a top 50 for me. I don't know just how high I rank him quite yet. Its been awhile since I've even attempted making a all-time p4p list. Last time I did it I was splitting hairs too often and became frustrated. Maybe I'll try again some time.

Did Toney win a title light heavyweight?

I would say top 30 or so all time.

james toney is underrated just like thomas hearns..toney is top 5 of all time in 4 weight divisons..160 168 175 and cruiserweight...so in my opinion hes top 20 easily

pretty high... top100 all time he takes fight on short notice he enjoys fighting he loses, and just goes on and fights again he is one of the pro fighters with more fights of his era not to mention his huge talent someone mentioned a few oldtimers and I think toney is that kind of fighter

showstopper, you need to get your hands on some jack johnson footage. the guy was a genius in his time. he was a master of the clinch particularly, and close range fighting. he started his fighting in a thing called battle royales. which were essentually blindfolded young black men fighting untill only one was left standing for a handfull of coins. crazy shit i'd say. i've studied more about jack johnson than any other old school fighter. he is a hell of a character and fighter and worth checking out.

Id pick him to beat Wlad in a lop sided match.

Yeah I do rank him that high(even though I hate him), but thats mainly cause I am a young fan(I am 19) and most of the fighters that are in top 50 I have not seen fight, I mean guys like Benny Leonard or Jack Johnson who fought when there was no tv, even though are aknowldged by me, I cant judge and therefore rank. I do rank guys like Robinson and Armstrong because enough information is presented, but guys that i see on the list of all time great fighters and can only read about in a second-hand sources are hard for me to judge. Not that I do not consider them great, just dont rank them. Otherwise would be very hypocritical of me.

Top 30 All Time... definately.

I think James definitley deserves to be in the top 50. I am not sure exactly where I would rank him.

He aint done yet. He is still fighting. When he is done for good than we can rank him. But right now he is in my top 30 fighters ever.