I think Hatton will give Mayweather some trouble but Hattons defense is not very good. He is wide open between the time when he is on the outside and rushes in. Also i hear alot of people saying Hattons workrate is ridulous, but so is Mayweathers ability to keep moving and use his speed from the outside. (He to is a machine in that departement). Lastly, i think the key difference in this fight will actually be Mayweathers inside work, he is very good at infighting and after Hatton realizes he is being hit alot of the inside he will slow down and Floyd will pick em apart.
If you watch the Castillo 2 fight, Mayweather again did not have a high punch output. If Castillo had Hatton's footwork he would of caused HELL for Mayweather. Castillo only started cutting off the ring after round 6 or so.
Another thing I noticed was Mayweather doesn't throw big combo's once the fighter comes inside. He usually throws a left hook and gets out of there. Hatton's not going to allow you to do that. He's going to clinch or cut you off with a couple of body shots.
Hatton can take a punch, this isn't denied, but can Floyd take a relentless body attack? This still remains to be seen.
I dont understand your logic, because by clinching, Floyd is also capable of attacking the body, clinching isnt some end all be all form of gettin in close because Floyd is faster than Hatton is more than capable of going to the body just as well. Floyd adjusts to whoever he is fighting, the thing is about him is that Floyd fights the gameplan best suited to his opponent. A Floyd from 2 fights ago isnt going to fight the same as a Floyd in the next fight.
There is no way Hatton is simply going to have his way with Mayweather to the body with that kind of defense, Floyd is gonna move, period, and if he clinches they are both gonna take punches. Another thing is that as said about 9million times, Hatton can be countered, easily, and somebody like Mayweather can get off without setting his feet (unlike Kostya Tszyu) so while Hatton is walking in trying to get close, hes going to get hit..repeatedly, i dont care how tough he is supposed to be, thats annoying after awhile.
If your getting hit on the way in, and getting hit in the clinch, after awhile that pressure gameplan may not be as effective and you could easily see Hatton backing off. Getting hit over and over on the way in is discouraging when your in with a sharp and accurate puncher who can throw from any angle, and defend from any angle.
Why would Zab be a big draw? He hasn't beat anyone to be honest, except for Spinks, and Spinks isn't a really big name by any means. Now Floyd absolutely dismantled Gatti, and that generated TONS of PPV buys. People want to see Floyd fight now, they know what he can bring to the table and he can TKO guys.
Now, I have watched Mayweather - Castillo 2 about 3-4 times, and Castillo did well, but at most won 5 rounds, and that would only be if the judge were to be VERY generous. Mayweather was the truth at 135 but at 140 it still remains to be seen. Hatton took what KT had to have, and made the GREAT champion quit on his stool. Hatton comes to fight, and you gotta love him for that.
I got my fingers crossed for this fight to happen.
I just see Zab as a bigger draw. Floyd is more of a cautious fighter, really. Zab, if he sees a guy hurt, is going to go nuts and try and finish him, which leads to a more interesting fight (especially if he gets KO'ed himself). Maybe Zab is a bad example.
The Gatti-Floyd PPV sold because of Gatti, imo, not Floyd.
Hatton's chin can take a punch, but can his skin take a lot of quick, sharp, and accurate shots from Floyd? He cuts easy.
Also, the only thing most people are judging Hatton on is his fight with Kostya, while, yes he did beat him, Kostya is not as talented as Floyd. He has a bigger punch, and a ton of heart, and yes, he was a great champion, but he was not, by any means, Floyd Mayweather Jr.
although i want hatton to win but I think Floyd would make him look like a bum when they get into the ring. Almost everyone thought Diego Corrales would bother Floyd caz of his strength, but Floyd jus dominated him. I dont think anyone in light weight or super light weight divison would beat Floyd in this era.
It's tough to call. I still haven't seen Floyd handle a top tier 140 pounder like Hatton handled Tszyu. I think Hatton's going to get close to Floyd, and rough him up a bit.
Hatton by UD12. That's my call IF they ever fight.
There's no denying Hatton's talent...he beat ZOO!!!!
i think if hatton wins, itll be by KO, mayewather to fast, if anything hatton catches him with some good punches and puts him down
We all have to remember that when Hatton goes to the body he's gotta worry about getting countered & popped not just once but 2-4 punches with PBF's handspeed. PBF can fight period, whether it's in the middle of the ring, on the ropes, or standing in the pocket. Hatton face is gonna get busted up because he's gonna get countered all night long. PBF isn't KT who's needs space to in order to throw his big right hand.
This is exactly what i was going to say, Hatton is also constantly open to be counter punched, your not gonna push floyd around, you rabbit punch, he rabbit punches, you low blow, he will low blow, you hold and hit, he will hold and hit.
Hatton leaves himself open too much and just like you said, he doesnt need space to be effective. PBF isnt Tszyu by any means.
Fair enough. Point taken.
You have to admit though Floyd IS pricing himself out of fights. He definetly priced himself out against Winky AND Zab (I believe he thinks he can beat Zab rather easily though).
I view Hatton as a stronger, faster version of Castillo, who has much better footwork, and uses angles much more on the inside. As much as I usually disprove of the first fight of Floyd - Castillo, there's no discounting the fact that Castillo gave him trouble.
Floyd doesn't punch in high output, and if he were to fight Ricky he would have to be punching in LARGE numbers, something he really hasn't done before. We all know Floyd is conditioned, but is he conditioned enough for Hatton?
I agree with most of what you're saying. There are tons of possibilities in this fight. If Hatton can keep up the pressure on Mayweather, then yes, he has a very good shot at beating him.
It's just like the thought of someone's that Anorak posted today, they are taylor-made for each other. If you think of someone to beat Hatton, it's a guy like Floyd; however, if you think of a guy who can beat Floyd, it's a guy like Hatton.
It's true that Mayweather is pricing himself out. Now, is that because he really doesn't want the fight, or because he thinks he's worth that much? That's the question. While I would, personally, pay to see him fight anyone, not many people would. He's not a big draw, but guys like Zab are. The Winky fight... Winky isn't a draw either. He's probably the most boring guy in boxing to watch, really. (Unless you're a boxing purist, in which case you should love to see him fight. I'd like to note that I do, indeed like to see him fight, but that doesn't take anything away from the fact that he is not a draw.)
Castillo gave him some troubles, yes, and I haven't watched the second fight yet (I have it though), so I can't comment on that, but in the first fight he gave Mayweather a hell of a fight. Hatton is definitely faster than JLC, because JLC is a pretty slow guy, and he might be stronger, but I don't know that point can be proven. He probably has better footwork, and definitely has better angles.
Here's what I see, though. Floyd has learned how to fight a guy like that, even though Hatton might be a bit better at it, Floyd has experience fighting like that. Hatton doesn't have any experience fighting a guy like Mayweather, there aren't enough guys like him to have fought many of them.
Speed kills. It wins out every time. It can't be taught, it can't be learned. Either you have it or you don't.
Mayweather has it in spades. Add to it the great skill and work ethic he has and it spells out a convincing victory over Hatton.
Hatton can try all he wants to crowd PBF, but PBF has the advantage in the speed and quickness department, you can't smother what you can't catch, he'll slip and slide his way to the outside all night long all the while connecting with punches.
PBF wins this fight easily.
As stated previously, Hatton is like a faster JLC, and JLC gave Mayweather a hell of a fight. Hatton has a very, very good shot at winning this, should it happen, but I'd tend to agree that Floyd wins, due to his overwhelming speed.
Speed kills. It wins out every time. It can't be taught, it can't be learned. Either you have it or you don't.
Mayweather has it in spades. Add to it the great skill and work ethic he has and it spells out a convincing victory over Hatton.
Hatton can try all he wants to crowd PBF, but PBF has the advantage in the speed and quickness department, you can't smother what you can't catch, he'll slip and slide his way to the outside all night long all the while connecting with punches.
PBF wins this fight easily.
If this fight ever happens, Hatton would have the advantage having been a natural 140 lber, but I see PBF as a SMART and SLEEK fighter. PBF's footworks and hand speed will surely get into the play and I can see Hatton being frustrated because he can't clinched and hold against PBF the way he fought KT.
PBF via UD.
Floyd respecting Tszyu, and being able to beat Tszyu are two different things. He had respect for him because of what he had accomplished as a fighter, and because he was a great fighter, that doesn't mean he couldn't beat him, or that because Hatton beat him that he can beat Floyd.
Like the saying goes (even though I hate it) styles make fights, and to compare Floyd to Tszyu is assinine, because they are two completely different fighters.
Kostya packed a punch when he could really plant, and that's the only time he really punched well was when planted. Floyd can hit moving forward, moving away, or planted, something KT was not so good at. It's fine to say that Hatton will win, but please, please stop saying so on the grounds that Hatton beat Kostya.
Gotta give you some good Karma for all of your posts in this topic.
I think Floyd Mayweather will beat Hatton. However, I don't think it will be anything like Floyd vs Gatti. I have a feeling this would be a tough fight where Floyd shows how amazing he truly is.
Yeah, I agree with Zoo not being as mobile as Floyd, but he definetly does not pack a punch like Zoo does. Floyd himself said he respected Zoo as a fighter, and Ricky beat him. That says alot on why Floyd is pricing him out of all the big fights.
IMO people are just underating Hatton and portraying him as an unskilled brawler with strength advantage. This is not the case, he uses angles inside, and is quick, with awesome footwork.
I think Floyd's getting to the point of his career where he's not nearly as hungry as he used to be. He wants big fights, but if the guy won't meet his demands...then piss on him he just wont fight him.
Floyd respecting Tszyu, and being able to beat Tszyu are two different things. He had respect for him because of what he had accomplished as a fighter, and because he was a great fighter, that doesn't mean he couldn't beat him, or that because Hatton beat him that he can beat Floyd.
Like the saying goes (even though I hate it) styles make fights, and to compare Floyd to Tszyu is assinine, because they are two completely different fighters.
Kostya packed a punch when he could really plant, and that's the only time he really punched well was when planted. Floyd can hit moving forward, moving away, or planted, something KT was not so good at. It's fine to say that Hatton will win, but please, please stop saying so on the grounds that Hatton beat Kostya.
If they ever fight (which I'm doubtful) Hatton will be exposed as just an slightly above average fighter. In my opinion Hatton isn't better than JLC & I see him getting schooled. Hatton has had 1 fight at the top level so I'm not sold on him till he beats either Cotto or Vivian Harris and he could lose to either fighter.
great post.
We all have to remember that when Hatton goes to the body he's gotta worry about getting countered & popped not just once but 2-4 punches with PBF's handspeed. PBF can fight period, whether it's in the middle of the ring, on the ropes, or standing in the pocket. Hatton face is gonna get busted up because he's gonna get countered all night long. PBF isn't KT who's needs space to in order to throw his big right hand.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. Floyd doesn't need to plant to throw shots like Kostya did. Granted, Kostya was a great fighter, but he was not like Floyd. People are comparing this fight to the wrong guy. Kostya is a hunt down and break with the right hand type of guy, and Floyd is the let them come to me and counter the shit out of him all night kind of guy.
If it's a big ring, I have a very hard time seeing Hatton winning. He'll take a few rounds, but it should be a pretty lopsided fight for Mayweather. The only thing that would keep him from winning is to let his ego get to him and fight Hatton's game. If he dances around and pop-shots him, and catches him good on the way in, then he'll win.
While yes, it's true that Mayweather is being overrated due to beating Gatti, it's also true that Hatton is being overrated from beating Kostya. The two fighters are impossible to compare (Kostya and Gatti), because Kostya was much better, but he's not a slick fighter like Mayweather is. And, while Mayweather is fairly green at 140, he still has a better resume than Hatton, which shows his skills a bit more (with wins over Castillo twice , and once over Coralles, over Chop-Chop, etc). So, while still unproven at 140, he's an accomplished fighter, and a proven fighter.
I honestly don't see Hatton winning this easily, if at all. To me, it'd be more Mayweather winning easily than Hatton, though that's not really all that likely either. If it happens, it'll be one of the best fights of recent memory, that's for sure.
I thought zoo would outbox him, and it didn't work out. Zoo hit him with some pretty powerful shots, but Hatton just seemed to walk through them like they are nothing. Only thing that troubles me is how easily Floyd can move from the inside to the outside with his footwork. He is one of the quickest fighters ever, and his defence is just insane. His punch output is fairly low though, so that's why I'm picking Hatton.
Zoo isn't as mobile as Floyd, though, which is a huge disadvantage when fighting Ricky. While Floyd hasn't fought anyone like Ricky, Ricky hasn't fought anyone like Floyd, either.
Let's face it, there's only been a handful of boxers with that kind of swiftness and precision throughout the history of boxing, and Floyd seems to be one of them. He's incredibly quick on his feet, has great agility overall, has super-fast hands, and packs a decent punch with him.
I pick Floyd to win by UD in this one, or a late TKO on cuts, perhaps.
We all have to remember that when Hatton goes to the body he's gotta worry about getting countered & popped not just once but 2-4 punches with PBF's handspeed. PBF can fight period, whether it's in the middle of the ring, on the ropes, or standing in the pocket. Hatton face is gonna get busted up because he's gonna get countered all night long. PBF isn't KT who's needs space to in order to throw his big right hand.
For Floyd to win this IMO, it's going to take more then pure skill, its going to take heart, and lot's of it.
Yep and that can show how great he really is.
I think this fight would look pretty close to Gatti - Floyd.
NO way, I think its a pick-em fight with either Ricky using his natural strength advantage, relentless work rate and stamina to get to Floyd late (either winning by late stoppage or out hustling Floyd) through his body shots and pressure or Floyd being able to use his footwork and defensive skills to outbox Ricky for a decision. My mouth is drooling at the prospect at this fight.