Roy Jones is one of the most intelligent boxers around. He knows what he can do and he knows what had happend to him last year. He is vunerable we now know and against glen Johnston he looked a shell. However, Roy knows this and i am pretty sure he wouldn't be entertaining this fight if he didn`t think 100% that he could win. I think he'll win on points but wouldn't bet on it. But what disturbs me is the amount of people writing him off. Despite the Johnston and Tarver fights Jones has been untouchable all through his career. Is it remotely possible that for one last night he can at least turn the clock back enough to out point Tarver?
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Believe me.....I saw every Jones fight since Hopkins....& his hook was nothing (since '98) like it was in his true heyday.
I don't think his left hook is any worse than it was though. Roy Jones IS the left hook. I just think he used his right, which is also a good weapon, more often. He sure looked ferocious with the hook vs Woods and Ruiz. He checked Ruiz all night long and walloped Woods a lot with the same punch. I've seen all of Roy's fight and I don't think his left is any less than it was before. I just think now he is past his prime.
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Roy Jones' left hook.....
C'mon, it used to be his primary power punch. It was the punch that began & ended things for him.
Somewhere along the line, he stopped letting it fly (& damn, that thing FLEW!) like he did years before.
He became more reliant on his right over the years.
Believe me.....I saw every Jones fight since Hopkins....& his hook was nothing (since '98) like it was in his true heyday.
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Tiberi beat him once, Griffin did it twice.
Additionally, Griffin was highly ranked for years and was like 18-0 after Jones but found it hard to get fights. He also like I said gave Roy a lot of trouble in their first fight.
You see it your way.
McClellan was his friend and would never have talked that shit. Use your head.
McCallum was also a friend, again, use your head.
James Toney would have been in serious shit, but he has an awesome chin.
Griffin was an A-level guy in his prime. He beat Toney twice and was winning vs Roy in the first fight.
Learn to read. I said anyone who put himself in the position Griffin had put himself in would have been equally dealt with. This means faking it and acting like a bitch in the first fight when you're about to be KO'd. This also means talkin mad shit about Roy's mom before the rematch. This means Roy would have been angry and looked to put some hurt on them. Nowhere did I say he would automatically KO whoever it was, only that they would be dealt with in the same manner.
P.S. No one could have talked about Roy KO'ing Griffin 10 years ago because that fight was in 97 and it hasn't even been 10 years since then.
I do have to admit that I thought the Griffin fights took place in 95, but my point is still that people took one performance and acted like Jones would do that to whoever disrespected him.
Im sorry if Jones was friends with all of the best fighters in his division but the fact is he would not have destroyed any fighter I mentioned like he did Griffin.
Do you know what A level fighter means?
I promise you it does not mean Montel Griffin at any stage in his career, go ahead and site Griffin beating Toney son, by that definition Dave Tiberi might be an A level guy as well.
Montel Griffin A level...only if your standards are low.
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Jones would have done that to anyone huh?
Jones would have gone right after Gerald McClellan and ko'd him?
Jones would have gone right after Mike McCallum and KO'd him?
Jones would have gone right after James Toney and KO'd him?
Jones would have gone right after Hopkins and KO'd him?
Shit I could go on and on of guys Jones would not have done that same shit too, sure for a few years you could say be careful of Roy but people were talking about the Griffin fight 10 years after it happenned like it was yesterday.
Griffin was a B level fighter, never anything more!
McClellan was his friend and would never have talked that shit. Use your head.
McCallum was also a friend, again, use your head.
James Toney would have been in serious shit, but he has an awesome chin.
Griffin was an A-level guy in his prime. He beat Toney twice and was winning vs Roy in the first fight.
Learn to read. I said anyone who put himself in the position Griffin had put himself in would have been equally dealt with. This means faking it and acting like a bitch in the first fight when you're about to be KO'd. This also means talkin mad shit about Roy's mom before the rematch. This means Roy would have been angry and looked to put some hurt on them. Nowhere did I say he would automatically KO whoever it was, only that they would be dealt with in the same manner.
P.S. No one could have talked about Roy KO'ing Griffin 10 years ago because that fight was in 97 and it hasn't even been 10 years since then.
Well that's because it was true. Laugh all you want. The problem is Roy now is not the same as Roy before. If anyone else had did the things that Griffin did to Roy they would also have been fucked. Simple as that. Griffin was talkin mad shit at Roy after their first fight, talkin' bout his mom and everything.
Anyone else who would have been in the same situation has Griffin put himself in would have been equally dealt with.
Additionally, Roy's left hook has been very good for years. It was awesome vs Woods, Ruiz, Julio, etc. I don't know where you get off implying it's been gone since the Griffin fight. That punch wasn't a left hook anyway.
Tarver has been able to make Roy's left less effective. That's one guy.
Jones would have done that to anyone huh?
Jones would have gone right after Gerald McClellan and ko'd him?
Jones would have gone right after Mike McCallum and KO'd him?
Jones would have gone right after James Toney and KO'd him?
Jones would have gone right after Hopkins and KO'd him?
Shit I could go on and on of guys Jones would not have done that same shit too, sure for a few years you could say be careful of Roy but people were talking about the Griffin fight 10 years after it happenned like it was yesterday.
Griffin was a B level fighter, never anything more!
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Well that's because it was true. Laugh all you want. The problem is Roy now is not the same as Roy before. If anyone else had did the things that Griffin did to Roy they would also have been fucked. Simple as that. Griffin was talkin mad shit at Roy after their first fight, talkin' bout his mom and everything.
Anyone else who would have been in the same situation has Griffin put himself in would have been equally dealt with.
Additionally, Roy's left hook has been very good for years. It was awesome vs Woods, Ruiz, Julio, etc. I don't know where you get off implying it's been gone since the Griffin fight. That punch wasn't a left hook anyway.
Tarver has been able to make Roy's left less effective. That's one guy.
What the hell happened to Roy Jones' left hook ?
It was once as great a punch as you could ever see, but hasn't been that prominent since he wiped out Montell Griffin.....
Jab remember how after Jones KO'd Griffin with the left everyone always would say that if you piss Roy off or motivate him the Griffin fight is what you are instore for.
That shit floatied around for a decade without Roy ever coming close to duplicating that devistating performance again.
"Dont piss Roy off or he'll Montell GRiffin your ass" I dont want to be too down on Roy but he knocked 1 guy out 1 time in the first round and for the next decade people pointed to that fight as a reason not to motivate or piss Roy off, I could see saying that for a little while but I used to laugh my ass off when people used to point to the Griffin fight years and years after it occurred.
What the hell happened to Roy Jones' left hook ?
It was once as great a punch as you could ever see, but hasn't been that prominent since he wiped out Montell Griffin.....
I think Jones jones will stop tarver in the later rounds.
There has been no indication in any situation that suggest Jones could stop Tarver...no one has, Jones is not a knockout puncher, he has an injured hand, Tarver's style of a counterpuncher like Jones does not make it easy for Jones to really counter punch him, Tarver has good will and desire...
There are rumors string inside the Jones camp (one writer impaticular) that says Roy has not looked this good in many years. I think he will have made some tactical adjustments and it will be a tough fight no matter who wins. I hope to god Roy that is Roy because i cant stand Tarver.
It is also possible that Tarver's fights with Glen have took something out of him. After all, there were thousands of punches exchanged between the men and a lot of punishment was dished out by both. I really hope Tarver does think he can get an easy KO again. That would double Roy's chanced of a win.
I hope Tarver does not feel he can score an easy KO but rather a KO.
I think if he follows the Glenn Johnson blueprint Roy will be in big trouble. Roy needs Tarver to come out and be lazy, fight him in the center of the ring, this is where Roy will win the fight.
If Tarver comes out letting his hands go and is relentless Roy is in big trouble and I cant see Roy digging down deep, giving and taking and then ultimately winning and I just cant see it.
It is also possible that Tarver's fights with Glen have took something out of him. After all, there were thousands of punches exchanged between the men and a lot of punishment was dished out by both. I really hope Tarver does think he can get an easy KO again. That would double Roy's chanced of a win.
I don't think Traver & Johnson really punished each other in those two fights. There was a lot of WORK in there, but neither guy seemed to do damage to the other.
The biggest factor in this fight is the mental edge, & that certainly belongs to Antonio Tarver. He views the first fight with Roy as a win for himself, & then scored the nasty KO the second time.
Roy can't look at either fight & feel too good about them....& he has the Johnson fight to ponder, as well.
Roy can gain some true confidence if things are really clicking in training camp for him. Maybe he'll feel like things are better than they've been in years, & knowing what he was capable of years back, he'd have to be greatly encouraged........
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It is also possible that Tarver's fights with Glen have took something out of him. After all, there were thousands of punches exchanged between the men and a lot of punishment was dished out by both. I really hope Tarver does think he can get an easy KO again. That would double Roy's chanced of a win.
A lot of what happens this Saturday night depends on Tarver, as well.
He very well could lose if he's thinking "just gotta touch this guy once, & then go home."
He will allow Roy to move around & pot-shot him all night, should he wait too long.
He's going to have to work, & get Roy to punch with him. That's when Roy will be in trouble, when they exchange. With his head in the air, reflexes faded, & Tarver's southpaw shots....Roy will be very vulnerable.
Tarver has had two 12 rounders with Johnson, while Roy has had no activity whatsoever.
This will DEINITELY be a key come Saturday night.
Roy can only add to his legacy on Saturday night. A loss will be attributed to his being past his best. A win will show that he dug deep & found something extraordinary.
i believe that if roy still has the speed and power that he should make this match a 'chess match'...bullying a counter puncher is not the smartest thing in the world. i myself love to counter punch and would get aggrivated if i was forced to lead or be drawn out for a counter...i'd love it when they come at me guns blazing :D
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Well, there has been talk of the "weapon up Jones' sleeve" and that Jones sees a weakness in Tarver that he hasn't spoken of yet. I wonder if he means Tarver's pattern of fading late in fights. Tarver is a bit older now and a bit more muscular than in the past. Maybe the secret weapon up Roy's sleeve is simply waiting for Tarver to tire in the late rounds, then becoming more aggressive to possibly get a stoppage.
I think Roy will probably use a jab and right hands to the body for the majority of the fight, and then put some hurt on Tarver in the late rounds. The secret weapon is simply increasing output and taking advantage of Tarver's exhaustion late in the fight.
Roy knows what's at stake here, his legacy. he better come out fighting this time, it doesn't take much to beat tarver - he can be outworked like johnson did in the first fight. Roy needs to get angry, like he did at Montell Griffin in Jones - Griffin 2 and knock tarver's ass out. RJJ can still get things done in the ring, but only IF HE WANTS IT MORE than tarver
i think roy needs to jab like you sed jarlaxe, but i also would like to see combinations...tarver doesn't seem to throw when the other person is throwing ; he just covers up....and then throws when his opponent is done and on their way out. if roy can get his combinations off and get out with taking minimal damage it might be an easier night than sum expect
Throwing a greedy combo is why he got KOed. He threw a right that barely landed and was going for a lefthook wheeeen boom!! Cant do that against a motivated southpaw with a great overhand left. Thats the same punch Tarver stoped Harding with. It was not a fluke. Roy has to respect that punch. Just being used to the weight might make Jones look like a great fighter again but if he is not great and he has lost a step a conservative jab and straight right will still be faster then anything Tarver can throw. Vs Tarver Jones could land the straight right at will.