Have you all heard how he speaks to wlad during the seconds?
You'd think he was a gay kindergarden teacher......so soft, nice, and trying to fool a little kid.....
Vitali was speaking to him in Ukranian.
That was Russian mate, they are from a Russian speaking family like many Ukrainians are...thats what you get for years of oppression...
nice comment man but where is joe mesi now?
I wasnt implying that mesi was anything good actually i was trying to say the opposite, that williamson was KTFO by an average fighter puncher and nobody questions his chin.
while many question wlads and he never been counted out in a fight, just goes to show the way people perceive things based on their personal feelings
Tyson wouldn't have had to get up cause he'd have KO'd him in the 1st LOL
The question was never was tyson tough enough mentally. Back in the day he didn't have to know what picking yourself up meant cause he was too busy tearing people apart.
lol,,here we go again. he was tearing guys apart who were either undersized or lacked skills or both. the moment he went against a big guy who could jab and punch back he folded and got knocked out. the myth of tyson will live forever I guess. if the klits,,,holyfield and lewis fought in that era,,,,tyson wouldnt be a memory
...................I wonder sometimes when people write off Wlad...
In the Sanders fight he just straight up underestimated his opponent go rocked and didnt know what to do since he was never put into a situation like that. If he fought him again he'd beat him in the same fashion that his brother.
In the Brewster fight he was fucking drugged, your a hatter for not belivng that. The guys blood sugar was super high, and I just never seen someone so phased out like he was. I've seen guys on crack/lsd/heroin looking better then Wlad after he dropped. Yes he threw way too many punches but even then, you dont get abnormal sugar levels and inability to talk from that...
So make your own conclusions...
Im not surprised that so many people wrote wlad off, alot of people hate him for what he is, what surprised me was that so many so called "experts" did. to me it was quite obvious that his losses would never cripple his career the way that many people seemed to have believed.
for comparison, look at davarryl williamson
he was 1 punch KO'ed by Joe Mesi, yet many people are prediticting this guy to beat Byrd and i have not seen one person step up and say "look at williamsons china chin" Wlad has never been KO'ed like that yet he has faced more questions about his chin than any other heavy of recent memory.
...................I wonder sometimes when people write off Wlad...
In the Sanders fight he just straight up underestimated his opponent go rocked and didnt know what to do since he was never put into a situation like that. If he fought him again he'd beat him in the same fashion that his brother.
In the Brewster fight he was fucking drugged, your a hatter for not belivng that. The guys blood sugar was super high, and I just never seen someone so phased out like he was. I've seen guys on crack/lsd/heroin looking better then Wlad after he dropped. Yes he threw way too many punches but even then, you dont get abnormal sugar levels and inability to talk from that...
and shit...it was a King fight, so no shit he was drugged.
So make your own conclusions...
Remember Wlad other big problem is he has stamina issues and tends to gas out alot. All Manny is trying to do with Wlad is to take advantage of his physical tools and keep him from gassing out and panicking. Wlad's biggest flaw is when he does get hit with a good shot he tends to panic. His balance is the 1st thing to go then it's usually the shots that follow that doom him.
Manny keeping it calm and collective is exactly what Wlad needs. Wlad sees his trainer clam therefore it keeps him clam.
brewster is mentally tougher than tyson. would tyson have kept getting up like brewster did? anyway,,,,wlad beat himself that night by throwing way too many punches. if he'd have just boxed he'd have won an easy decision as he would against any version of tyson
And again, the point was not that Wlad couldn't win on points, what we were talking about was who would demolish the other, and wlad just simply couldn't handle the pressure of prime tyson.
If corrie "fights once every 4 years" sanders could make him pee his self, tyson would have the win before he ever entered the ring
brewster is mentally tougher than tyson. would tyson have kept getting up like brewster did? anyway,,,,wlad beat himself that night by throwing way too many punches. if he'd have just boxed he'd have won an easy decision as he would against any version of tyson
Tyson wouldn't have had to get up cause he'd have KO'd him in the 1st LOL
The question was never was tyson tough enough mentally. Back in the day he didn't have to know what picking yourself up meant cause he was too busy tearing people apart.
well, i don't really remember his seconds with lewis...........but with wlad, it so seemed that he was trying to fool a kid.....half the shit he said was b/s and we were laughing so much at his approach....
he must have it hard with wlad.....imagine if he got fired up and yelled in there....wlad would have started crying.....
My dad and I noticed it to. :D We both thought it was because Wlad didn't have much confidence. And it was Mannys way of nuturing him. for lack of a better term.
I think it is pretty obvious that Manny speaks to Wlad the way he does so that Wlad can understand everything that Manny is saying! Wlad can speak good english but trying to understand everything someone is saying is a lot harder unless they are clear and simple in what they say.
D00de, he can give an interview in English, I doubt he cant understand basic instructions...
Sorry but what a dumn thread.
English is not Wladimir's first language. Steward made sure he was understood. And Wladimir is not the kinda fighter you have to psyche up in the corner.
True, but Wlad DID fight someone tysons' size/build in Brewster, and Brewster won. Like I said, the Wlad of today gets killed by pre-90's Tyson, but if you would have asked me 3 years ago, I'd say Wlad would retire pre 90's Tyson.
When Wlad first started to get known, he was nothing less than a monster. Very nice and respectful while not in the ring, but reminded me abit of the fictional character Ivan Drago in the cold eyes on the way to the ring, a stare that just screamed that you can't do anything to him, he's just going to run right over you, call the funeral home and make reservations.
But with his 2 losses, he'll never be that fighter again.
I understand Brewster got to Golota faster than Tyson did, but IMO tyson was well past his prime then, as was he IMO when he got his ass handled to him by Holyfield, Lewis, and every other person he lost to. Buster beat him closest to his prime, but I don't think he was in his prime even for that fight if you look at a fight of tyson's from 87, then look at the douglas fight, it's not near the same tyson.
But the fact of the matter is, Brewster beat Wlad and Brewster is nowhere near the same level as Prime Tyson.
Cool sidenote however, Wlad and Tyson both had their monster status taken away from fighters who had recently lost a loved one
brewster is mentally tougher than tyson. would tyson have kept getting up like brewster did? anyway,,,,wlad beat himself that night by throwing way too many punches. if he'd have just boxed he'd have won an easy decision as he would against any version of tyson
I think it is pretty obvious that Manny speaks to Wlad the way he does so that Wlad can understand everything that Manny is saying! Wlad can speak good english but trying to understand everything someone is saying is a lot harder unless they are clear and simple in what they say.
The Wlad that held and controlled the human tank Samuel Peter with relative ease was far and away stronger than any active heavyweight boxer in the 1980's. Did you watch that fight? He was a tower of dense muscle. Tyson never encountered anyone in his career, with the possible exception of Lennox Lewis late at its tail end, who came close to matching Wlad's size and strength.
True, but Wlad DID fight someone tysons' size/build in Brewster, and Brewster won. Like I said, the Wlad of today gets killed by pre-90's Tyson, but if you would have asked me 3 years ago, I'd say Wlad would retire pre 90's Tyson.
When Wlad first started to get known, he was nothing less than a monster. Very nice and respectful while not in the ring, but reminded me abit of the fictional character Ivan Drago in the cold eyes on the way to the ring, a stare that just screamed that you can't do anything to him, he's just going to run right over you, call the funeral home and make reservations.
But with his 2 losses, he'll never be that fighter again.
I understand Brewster got to Golota faster than Tyson did, but IMO tyson was well past his prime then, as was he IMO when he got his ass handled to him by Holyfield, Lewis, and every other person he lost to. Buster beat him closest to his prime, but I don't think he was in his prime even for that fight if you look at a fight of tyson's from 87, then look at the douglas fight, it's not near the same tyson.
But the fact of the matter is, Brewster beat Wlad and Brewster is nowhere near the same level as Prime Tyson.
Cool sidenote however, Wlad and Tyson both had their monster status taken away from fighters who had recently lost a loved one
The Wlad that held and controlled the human tank Samuel Peter with relative ease was far and away stronger than any active heavyweight boxer in the 1980's. Did you watch that fight? He was a tower of dense muscle. Tyson never encountered anyone in his career, with the possible exception of Lennox Lewis late at its tail end, who came close to matching Wlad's size and strength. Bonecrusher Smith had a hulking frame but he did not have close to the physique Wlad was sporting in that fight. Wide and powerful in all the right places for boxing.
I think Tyson, who was manhandled by Holyfield, Bonecrusher Smith, Peter McNeely (watch the fight before you flame me, see how he easily outmuscles Tyson and bulls him into the ropes getting in some decents shots) etc. was not a physically strong heavyweight at all. Tyson did not have much of an inside game. He was a squat fighter who slipped punches and EXPLODED in from mid range, hurt his opponent, and turned up the heat when they were vulnerable. If you could get inside of him while avoiding the power punches and wrap your arms around him, he was useless. I have never EVER seen Tyson break the clinch of an opponent or do anything really effective on the inside. He did throw punches on the inside, but only after his opponent was in trouble. You would never see him lean on a guy and systematically beat the shit out of his ribs like Hopkins, Dempsey or Louis.
So now we are in a situation where Tyson, who can't fight on the inside, has trouble scoring on the oversized Ukrainian who dominates the outside game as well. Remember how an old Larry Holmes' jab, which was still decent, gave him some trouble before Larry was knocked out. Tyson in his prime had a good defense for a heavyweight but he could still get hit by a jab thrown from a big man quick quick hands. We've all seen it.
And each round, as he's getting tagged from the outside, and wrestled and neutralized (and hurt by that short, lightning quick hook that Wladimir has developed) on the inside, he is getting demoralized. He's losing his fire, throwing less in the way of hard fight ending punches and taking more and more himself. Wlad is moving and jabbing and holding and hitting him with hard rights that snap his head back. And eventually, we have another Buster Douglas story, except perhaps briefer and sooner as Wlad is twice the puncher Buster was.
Maybe none of that happens, maybe Tyson ends it all in the fifth round with a sweet left hook to the chin and a savage classic uppercut combo to the body and head that leaves Wlad a convulsing mass of Ukrainian pride.
But to say with such certainty that Tyson would go through Wlad like a hot knife with butter, when he was obviously bothered by men fitting Wlad's physical description (who were inferior fighters) is just narrow thinking. You have to at least recognize the danger that a confident, motivated Wladimir Klitschko would pose to Iron Mike, with all of his physical and psychological shortcomings.
strongly agree. tyson was so overrated its funny. wlad beats any version of tyson. as does vitali. tyson got his fame on knocking out the little marvis fraziers and micheal spink's of the world.
Were talking about 1986 Tyson. Were also talking about Wlad and his super suspect chin. Not to mention Tyson was so intimidating, do you honestly think Wlad would not be mentally out of it before the fight? And lets say Wlad is NOT trained by Manny Steward, hes really in for it then.
he wouldnt have been any more scared or hyped up than he was against peter. please,,give me a break. tyson was 5'10 218 lbs. peter is 6'2 243 lbs and hyped like tyson was. sure tysons punches were quicker but he didnt have peters chin or physical strength. if wlad could get by peter,,,he could get past an overrated tyson who dominated a weak division by smallish fighters and all the big boys at that time were lacking speed and skills,,,ala,,,,ruddock,,,bonecrusher
Before Tyson went to jail, you telling me that he never beat any strong, big heavyweights who had a big punch? Tell the truth, otherwise, this is gonna turn into a 50 post Tyson debate, which shouldnt even exist because were talking about pre-jail, 1986, hungry, undeterred, Kevin Rooney trained Tyson. How the hell do you decide that a young Tyson cant do what Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster did?
easily,,,because wlad would be more prepared. he was way too over confident and relaxed when he fought sanders and clearly was clueless on fighting a southpaw as he was moving right into sanders big left hand.tyson isnt a southpaw like sanders. the southpaw stance gave wlad trouble. tyson wouldnt have absorbed what brewster did. tyson fought big strong heavies as talented as wlad? please,,,bonecrusher smith was painfully slow. ruddock had no jab or boxing ability. tony tucker wasnt a big puncher and lacked wlads speed. when tyson did step up he got knocked out by buster who still hits no where near as hard as wlad but had the jab and movement. tyson had good speed and power but was so hyped and overrated it was sickening. sure tyson would have had a pucnhers chance against wlad but more likely would have self destructed after eating hard jabs and quick straight right hands. wlad beats any version of tyson
Emmanuel has to treat WLad with kid gloves, he knows how fragile his psyche is. did you notice that when wlad was knocked down twice he didn't even acknowledge the knockdowns., if he yelled at wlad, wlad would fall apart. what a pussy
Are you high?
There's nothing fragile about Wlad's psyche, and I defy to prove otherwise.
The Wlad that held and controlled the human tank Samuel Peter with relative ease was far and away stronger than any active heavyweight boxer in the 1980's. Did you watch that fight? He was a tower of dense muscle. Tyson never encountered anyone in his career, with the possible exception of Lennox Lewis late at its tail end, who came close to matching Wlad's size and strength. Bonecrusher Smith had a hulking frame but he did not have close to the physique Wlad was sporting in that fight. Wide and powerful in all the right places for boxing.
I think Tyson, who was manhandled by Holyfield, Bonecrusher Smith, Peter McNeely (watch the fight before you flame me, see how he easily outmuscles Tyson and bulls him into the ropes getting in some decents shots) etc. was not a physically strong heavyweight at all. Tyson did not have much of an inside game. He was a squat fighter who slipped punches and EXPLODED in from mid range, hurt his opponent, and turned up the heat when they were vulnerable. If you could get inside of him while avoiding the power punches and wrap your arms around him, he was useless. I have never EVER seen Tyson break the clinch of an opponent or do anything really effective on the inside. He did throw punches on the inside, but only after his opponent was in trouble. You would never see him lean on a guy and systematically beat the shit out of his ribs like Hopkins, Dempsey or Louis.
So now we are in a situation where Tyson, who can't fight on the inside, has trouble scoring on the oversized Ukrainian who dominates the outside game as well. Remember how an old Larry Holmes' jab, which was still decent, gave him some trouble before Larry was knocked out. Tyson in his prime had a good defense for a heavyweight but he could still get hit by a jab thrown from a big man quick quick hands. We've all seen it.
And each round, as he's getting tagged from the outside, and wrestled and neutralized (and hurt by that short, lightning quick hook that Wladimir has developed) on the inside, he is getting demoralized. He's losing his fire, throwing less in the way of hard fight ending punches and taking more and more himself. Wlad is moving and jabbing and holding and hitting him with hard rights that snap his head back. And eventually, we have another Buster Douglas story, except perhaps briefer and sooner as Wlad is twice the puncher Buster was.
Maybe none of that happens, maybe Tyson ends it all in the fifth round with a sweet left hook to the chin and a savage classic uppercut combo to the body and head that leaves Wlad a convulsing mass of Ukrainian pride.
But to say with such certainty that Tyson would go through Wlad like a hot knife with butter, when he was obviously bothered by men fitting Wlad's physical description (who were inferior fighters) is just narrow thinking. You have to at least recognize the danger that a confident, motivated Wladimir Klitschko would pose to Iron Mike, with all of his physical and psychological shortcomings.