Is Manny Steward losing it as a trainer?
I cant remember the last time i watched a Steward fighter do well at the top level.
The last few times i have seen Steward in the corner his fighters looked out of shape, they always have good muscle tone but are out of breath within a few rounds(i.e. Vivian Harris, Lennox Lewis, etc).
A trainers job isnt to control a fighter like its his fuckin kid, these are men, men are obligated to do what they told or just not do it. A fighter is either gonna be hungry and listen to Manny or be a fucking idiot and get knocked out like Harris. Think about it, these fighters have huge egos and alot of money, often times its easy to just pout your way out of shit and just not listen, thats not his fault or his responsibility, Mannys job is to give you the advice you need to win, and if the fighter doesnt do that, that isnt Mannys fault, he has multiple fighters to train and a scheduale to uphold, how do you expect him to "control" all of those fighters? thats stupid
I agree!!!!!
The Harris-Mausa fight was the last straw for Manny as trainer. He lost tons of respect. Vivian wasn't listening to him in the corner and it seems like Manny couldn't even control him in training camp. If you see a trainer being bullied and disrespected by his fighter, then that trainer needs to retire.
A trainers job isnt to control a fighter like its his fuckin kid, these are men, men are obligated to do what they told or just not do it. A fighter is either gonna be hungry and listen to Manny or be a fucking idiot and get knocked out like Harris. Think about it, these fighters have huge egos and alot of money, often times its easy to just pout your way out of shit and just not listen, thats not his fault or his responsibility, Mannys job is to give you the advice you need to win, and if the fighter doesnt do that, that isnt Mannys fault, he has multiple fighters to train and a scheduale to uphold, how do you expect him to "control" all of those fighters? thats stupid
The Harris-Mausa fight was the last straw for Manny as trainer. He lost tons of respect. Vivian wasn't listening to him in the corner and it seems like Manny couldn't even control him in training camp. If you see a trainer being bullied and disrespected by his fighter, then that trainer needs to retire.
He alredy has done that to...
Moorer
Hamed
McLellan
etc.
The Harris-Mausa fight was the last straw for Manny as trainer. He lost tons of respect. Vivian wasn't listening to him in the corner and it seems like Manny couldn't even control him in training camp. If you see a trainer being bullied and disrespected by his fighter, then that trainer needs to retire.
That's because all his fighters are stupid...
Just wait about 5 years and you will see another all time great managed and trained by Manny rise to the boxing scene
i still think that he is a good trainer and he still knows his boxing the guy has a wealth of knowledge ..but as far as people blaming him for what what his fighters do is not fair he is the trainer but in the end the fighter is the one in the ring perfect example is harris i don't know how anyone can blame manny for this jackass loosing to maussa manny was giving him good advice and telling him to stop swinging for the fences because he was going to run out of gas did harris listen ??? hell no so he got ktfo what the hell is manny supposed to do if the guy does not want to listen...?
IMO, on the average, the fighters now are in WORSE shape than
they were 20 or 25 yrs ago. Keep in mind there are exceptions to
every rule, but on the average...
Especially heavies.
Manny has all the knowledge in the world, but it's up to the fighter whether or not they want to learn and do it.
The thing that alot of people don't understand is that a figher can come in looking jacked for a fight with 4% body fat, however that is no indication of their cardiovascular system.
Both Vivian and Wlad look like they're in superb condition, which they are, but it's burst energy. There's a distinct difference between training for bursts or training for 12 rounds, something that Steward is notorious for not implimenting on his fighters.
He's still one of the top 4 trainers out there, however he needs to understand that boxing isn't what it used to be. People are in better shape and can do the distance, so he needs to make his fighters realize/adjust to this.
He lost it as soon as he said "I'd favor Sharmba over Mayweatther" lol then his garbage training cost Vivian Harris his belt.
Peter is going to KO Wlad, he isnt the favorite for nothing. He is going to catch him eventually
steward does say and do some shit that makes you think hes crazy, but he really does know his shit and he knows his strengths. i think you have to count lewis over tyson as a great performance by a steward fighter, however long ago it was, there are barely any fights anymore.
and really guys, to be perfectly honest, which trainer has a bunch of guys all out there all putting on great fights and winning all the time. not many, i think steward more than holds his own.
steward seems quietly confident in the wlad vs peter fight the same way he was when lewis and tyson fought, which i believe is good for wlad fans.
He lost it as soon as he said "I'd favor Sharmba over Mayweatther" lol then his garbage training cost Vivian Harris his belt.
Wlad gets fatigued quickly
Vivian gets fatigued quickly
Lewis vs Vitali, Lewis was gonna drop dead if it was another round
Peter is going to KO Wlad, he isnt the favorite for nothing. He is going to catch him eventually
I think he is losing it slightly. As Spinxjinx mentioned in another thread his fighters tend to run out of gas. I think this has alot to do with the new generation's work ethic as opposed to the old school.
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I know Lennox was a big time, multi million $ fighter but when i watched a doc about their training camps it was terrible. Manny would say "i want you to do the pads" then Lennox would reply "No, i want to do the heavybag".
Who's the fucking coach??
Well I guess you blame Manny then for not taking charge but Lennox had been a fighter for many years and should know what to do already just needs to be reminded to stay sharp ect.
Thats fucked up, you might aswell train yourself if your gonna pull that shit, do a five mile run, nah ill just walk the dog thanks
Well put, my sentiments exactly.
He lost it most when he took on Wlad and thought he could make him his next Lennox and Lennox being out of shape during the Vitali fight was more Lennoxs fault IMO.
I know Lennox was a big time, multi million $ fighter but when i watched a doc about their training camps it was terrible. Manny would say "i want you to do the pads" then Lennox would reply "No, i want to do the heavybag".
Who's the fucking coach??
He lost it most when he took on Wlad and thought he could make him his next Lennox and Lennox being out of shape during the Vitali fight was more Lennoxs fault IMO.
I voted before reading the post, sorry.
I thought you meant is Manny losing it mentally with his opinions, which he is not.
But yes Manny has 'lost it' as a trainer, he 'lost it' a long, long time ago because his heart hasn't been fully in the game since the 80's.
Just changed it so others dont do the same thing, it probably wasnt clear enough.
I voted before reading the post, sorry.
I thought you meant is Manny losing it mentally with his opinions, which he is not.
But yes Manny has 'lost it' as a trainer, he 'lost it' a long, long time ago because his heart hasn't been fully in the game since the 80's.