I was just reading on ESPN that Jones Tarver III is under heavy negotiations now that Hopkins has lost to Taylor.
Do you think Jones chin/brain is in good enough shape to keep boxing? I know his career has some unfinished business, but the way he got knocked out by Johnson was scary. His trainer shouldn't have let him fight so soon after getting knocked out by Tarver. It was so obvious his brain wasn't ready to handle another fight, considering how close the two fights were together, and how badly the knockout affected him. Personally, I'm 50/50 as to whether a boxer could recover from something like that and come back to fight. I'm no doctor, so I don't know how much time can heal those sorts of injuries. I wouldn't want anyone to go in fighting unless I was sure they were 100% ready to fight as a fighter could ever be.
horrible idea for Jones. I think he should stay retired. His ego is too big and I'm sure he still feels he can do it. Two straight ko losses should tell him otherwise.
...Yeah, he needs to get out with his marbles still fairly intact. That over active ego is going to get him killed. He is still in denial that he even got knocked out so brutaly. I thought he was gonna die in the Johnson fight BTW.
So much doubting of Jones, I know the guy is just a shadow of himself but I really believe if trained and focused properly he can beat Tarver.
I don't believe he's lost as much of his skill, reflex and power as a lot of people say he has. I think if he was really motivated to fight like he was early on, he'd still be a devestating fighter. I've love to see the guy come back and do well. I'm just worried that despite all the effort he puts into training, his brain won't be able to handle the shock of getting hit. It's more of a concern for safety than anything.
hmmm
1) Tarver does have apunch. Always has. Did the same to Harding and many fighters before that. He just fights like an amatuer sometimes. Vs Glen Tarver didn't put too much heat on his punches. Instead, he threw a LOT of punches.
2) Roy's chin was decent before losing so much muscle mass. Losing muscle mass affects the brain in a negative way. Talk to an MD about this issue. Roy got caught by Del Valle, Toney, Hopkins, and several other fighters. He has been fighting guys bigger than him his whole career and finally got stopped under adverse circumstances. That doesn't equal a weak chin. Vargas getting pounded by De La Hoya who is naturally smaller than him is a much better case.
As far as Roy NOW goes, I hope he doesn't take the fight. Safety first. Aikman of the Cowboys was EASILY concussed at the end of his career. Roy may now be the same way. Under certain circumstances, in can happen to anyone, and has happened many times.
If Roy came back and won though...wow...that would be HUGE. I think there is a chance Tarver might have the same weakness in trilogies that he seems to have in first fights (Harding I, Jones I, and Johnson I). Tarver could come in over confident having scored an early stoppage of Roy and Roy could take advantage of that.
I think Roy can pull off a decision if he moves around the ring alot and flurries. I am very happey to hear that Roy is taking one last crack at Tarver.
Roy's a boxing legend and he has nothing to prove. But I do know that he does not want to end his career by getting KO'd by 2 guys that he would have easily beaten in his prime. If Roy is really dedicated and fights in a style that his age can cope with, then there's a good chance that his comeback will be sucessful. However, Roy cannot expect to fight in the style he's been fighting for his whole career. His speed is diminished and his reflexes are gone, so he definately need to learn a more fundamental style to win.
I believe Jones, properly trained will still have the speed, skill and power to win a fight against either of those guys. What I don't know, is if his brain can handle getting knocked around anymore. When you get knocked out twice, in a short time span, and are out for a while, like Jones was against Johnson, will your body ever really get its "chin" back?
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Put it this way, Jones could be dominating for 8 rounds, but if he gets hit by a decent punch, will his body cave the way Eric Lindros does in hockey now? That's the uncertainty for me. I think Jones can win, as long as his "chin" has healed or recuperated, but I don't know if that's really possible.
Roy Jones Can beat Tarver or Johnson...Tarver Landed a perfect punch but was gettin outboxed b4 that...Jones wasnt even fighting against Johnson...If joens wants it bad enough he can get it..plain and simple...Its all up to him..
One thing jones havent proved is that whether he can hurt tarver at all. thats the only question, if he cant hurt him then he's done. if he plans to run his bicycle, he may run out of gas, as shown in his last few fights. too difficult fight for jones.
sub-question: If Roy fights again on HBO, who's at ringside with Lampley and Merchant? Does George come back for a one-shot deal, do Lampley and Merchant fly solo, or do they bring in a ringer?
If Tarver fights Jones like he did Glen, Jones can win. That tap combo to get points want work on Jones because Jones has the quicker handspeed as he would get beat to the punch by Jones. But Jones chin is still suspect? I thought he was superman:cry before Tarver rocked his ass. And Tarver isnt the biggest power puncher
I don't think Jones should fight anymore Light Heavyweights that can punch requisite to their size. There is a big difference between Ruiz and Tarver, and Johnson. I think Jones would still be undefeated if he had not gone into the light heavyweight division. The entire scenario reminds me of the great light heavyweight, Bob Foster, who could punch better than any light heavyweight of all time and was a knock out artist in his division, but couldn't beat any of the top punching heavyweights. Jones is a great fighter, but he is biting off more than he can chew.
He would have a better chance trying to make Tarver go down in weight than keep fighting these bigger guys.
Who the hell wants to see this???
Roy was supposed to fight Johnson and knock his ass out, but the opposite happened...Is Tarver fucking serious about this???
This will be a easy night for Tarver..
I would bet on Roy winning the fight, My guess would be he trains harder then he ever did before and wins the trilogy. I know Ill be rooting for Jones.
I just wonder if training would really make a difference in terms of how easy you get KOed. I mean, when you get knocked out like that, I'm sure you end up with a pretty serious concussion. So, if you get a concussion, and then another really serious concussion only three months later (or whatever it was) that would be a really bad thing. Each time you get a concussion, the next one is easier. Look at Eric Lindros in hockey ... the last time he got a concussion was from a really inoccent looking hit. It's a shame they let him get back in the ring so quickly after losing to Tarver.
Anyone know anything about sports medicine related to boxing? I'd be interested in knowing if medically speaking, Jones' chin was finished.
I would bet on Roy winning the fight, My guess would be he trains harder then he ever did before and wins the trilogy. I know Ill be rooting for Jones.