Who is the best counter puncher off all time???

Actually not true, I've seen Arguello earlier fights, but I just mentioned you the best fight he was involved in. That was classic fight & it is one of the classic fights of all time. Boxing is my hobby, I box every week in the gym & I have a great collection of fights. I wouldn't make a BS statement if I don't know what I'm saying. You didn't put Mayweather in that list & you actually think Arguello at 126 or 130 was a better counter puncher then Mayweather. Hey point out my post where I clearly say that I think Arguello is a better counter puncher than Mayweather. Wait thats right you can't because I never said it you clown. Mayweather is a great counter puncher...excuse me if I didn't mention him before. Do I have to clear everything with you before I say it boss? Arguello proved his counter punching against legends, Mayweather has really yet to do so. Mayweathers speed is great on his counters, Arguello had much more power on his. Both guys were extremely accurate.

I have a partial version of Arguello fighting Ruben Olivares, and he was a sharp counter puncher even at a young age. Olivares was well past his best, but it was an exciting fight, and Arguello showed flashes of the brilliance that would follow later in his career. Wasn't that the fight where he busted up Ruben very early? Or maybe that was the first Escalera fight :confused: I think it was probably Escalera I. Hey how do you make gifs? I want a gif of Toney smoking Nunn with those two beautiful hooks in the 11th.

If you call 50in plasma TV shitty. Then I don't know what to say. It's big difference with old films, I can make judgment with watching old films. Maybe you can, but I will never. Well, I don't agree with you at all, and I'll leave it at that. I'll even create a few gifs from some Robinson fights I have and upload them.

You really have no grounds to speak on Arguello then, because you just outed yourself and admitted to only seeing him when he was well past his best in two fights. I've seen him agianst Mancini (6 rounds), Edwards (I was young though), and against Bazooka Limon when he cut his face up with excellent counter power shots. I've also been told that he put on a hell of a counter punching and power punching show against Alfredo Escalera. Remember, Arguello was at his best at 126-early 135. I gave a shout out to Hagler because he was a damned good counter puncher in his heyday and not many people remember that. Many just remember the 85-87 worn out Hagler who brawled a lot more, but in his younger years he was a very complete fighter. I can differentiate punches with B&W video pretty well, its not all that hard. I have a partial version of Arguello fighting Ruben Olivares, and he was a sharp counter puncher even at a young age. Olivares was well past his best, but it was an exciting fight, and Arguello showed flashes of the brilliance that would follow later in his career.

BEST In My Eyes Or at Least In THe top 5 greatest counter-punchers would be Juan Manuel Marquez

I'm not gonna argue with Robinson being the greatest of all time. I've always called Robinson the greatest, because he revolutionized boxing, The great Ali tried to be like him. But I've seen many Robinson fights, but the technology is so bad, it's hard to tell how good his counter punching skills were. It wouldn't surprise me if he was the greatest counter puncher of all time, but if you watch the old tapes, it doesn't really give you a clear answer. I've seen the classic Alexis Arguello fights against Pryor & noway I will call Arguello as one the best counter punchers of all time. I didn't mentioned my favorite fighter of all time which is Hagler, I thought Hagler in his prime was a better counter puncher then Arguello, so I didn't mentioned my favorite fighter of all time & my Idol when I was growing up. Arguello should not be in that list, again this my opinion, I guess me & you will agree on it. You really have no grounds to speak on Arguello then, because you just outed yourself and admitted to only seeing him when he was well past his best in two fights. I've seen him agianst Mancini (6 rounds), Edwards (I was young though), and against Bazooka Limon when he cut his face up with excellent counter power shots. I've also been told that he put on a hell of a counter punching and power punching show against Alfredo Escalera. Remember, Arguello was at his best at 126-early 135. I gave a shout out to Hagler because he was a damned good counter puncher in his heyday and not many people remember that. Many just remember the 85-87 worn out Hagler who brawled a lot more, but in his younger years he was a very complete fighter. I can differentiate punches with B&W video pretty well, its not all that hard.

Maybe you have super vision. Most of the camera angles are pretty bad & the speed of the films are not right. I would guess you just have a shitty VCR and TV. I've burnt alot of my stuff to disc and have a 64" TV. I guess it comes down to how many fights you've seen of a certian fighter, and if you feel comfortable in saying that you saw a good account of that fighter; because I strongly disagree with your take about footage of Ray Robinson at middle. Alot of the rebrodcasted stuff I've captured is very good quality for that time, and easy to pick out combonations and quick punches.

What I'm trying to say the old tapes from guys like Robinson or lewis is in black in white, the quality of the films & the technology of the camera are pretty bad. So you really can judge too much from the old B&W tapes. I don't know about you but I have a huge selection of black and white fights and I'm able to pick out the shots and counter shots quite easilly.

You've seen Sugar Ray Robinson & Benny Leonard , how old are you, are you like 70 or 80. Come on now I've seen the old tape too. But that's not really seeing them. How in the world you put Alexis Arguello in that list. But please don't reply, I know the answer. Seeing the old tapes/film is seeing them. My grandfather is somewhat of a historian and has insane amounts of old fight tapes and film, and I've seen/heard enough footage of the middleweight version of Robinson (LaMotta, Basilio, Fullmer, Graziano) to know that he was an excellent counter puncher. How else is the man dubbed the greatest fighter ever? There wasn't much footage of him during his reign at welterweight, so that's really a mystery to a lot of people. My grandfather has told me a lot about him though (hes seen him fight live a couple of times), and he was supposed to be much much better at 147 than he was at 160, and that's a scary thought. Alexis Arguello was disgusting at lower weights, and was a surgeon with his punches. His power and accuracy combination was intense. He used great counter shots to pick apart Mancini, CBE, and Bazooka Limons face...and I was told that he did the same against Alfredo Escalera. Just look at his counter work against Pryor when he was well past his best and was WAY above his best weight class. Pryor was throwing non-stop and Arguello hung in and almost decapitated Pryor on more than one occasion. Also, notice how I said "OUTSIDE of Leonard really", meaning that I haven't seen footage of him. You put it in your post like I said that....which is false information. I've only heard and read that he was a great counter puncher.

Come on now I've seen the old tapes too. But that's not really seeing them. What the hell are you talking about? By that definition, many of the people here have never even "really seen" current fighters unless they've had the luxury of attending a ton of live fights. If you've seen a well recorded fight, you've seen it. End of story.

Don't forget about RJJ. With his speed and at the top of his game he could counter and it was rare the opponent would even begin to see it coming. Archie Moore was a great counter puncher. So was Ricardo Lopez... Finito Lopez was an excellent counter puncher...I agree. That lil man was bad. Marvin Hagler in his prime was one hell of a counter puncher and I think a lot of people missed that. It's sad how many people only know the tired Hagler for his fights against Hearns, Mugabi, and Leonard...even though they were great action fights. Azumah Nelson was also a great counter puncher during his days at 126 and 130. That man could really do it all.

Yea but I bid you haven't seen half of those guys, I could've mentioned some of those guys, but I went with boxers that I've seen. Whitaker is one of the greatest fighters of all time in my opinion, but his counter punching was not in the same level as Toney or Mayweather. Whitaker was just amazing with his feet & speed. I still don't think anyone would've beaten Whitaker in his prime. He was that good, he got robbed like 3 times to guys like Oscar, Rameriz & Chavez. he clearly won those fights. But I don't think he was one of the greatest counter puncher that I've seen. Whitakers my favorite fighter ever by a mile. Toney is my second favorite fighter ever. I've been into this sport for 16 years of my life and I've seen plenty of all of those guys I named outside of Leonard really, so don't speak on things you don't know. I've seen Whitaker in fights with Mayweather, Ramirez I, Lomeli, Nazario, Nelson, Paez from 135....from 147 I've seen Chavez, McGirt x2, Cardona, parts of Rivera I&II, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Hurtado...and I saw him against JC Vazquez for his title in his 4th weight class. I've seen a lot more of him than you have, and the man was a great counterpuncher, who used his footwork and upperbody defense to exploit his opponents balance and angles. Maybe not the greatest ever, but he definitely comes to mind as being pretty damned good. What did you read my post and automatically think you needed to try and prove yourself with the whole, "oh yeah well I could have named those other guys too blah blah" thing?

Don't forget about RJJ. With his speed and at the top of his game he could counter and it was rare the opponent would even begin to see it coming. Archie Moore was a great counter puncher. So was Ricardo Lopez...

Are we talking like pure counter punchers here? Or just in general...? Ray Robinson Benny Leonard Ezzard Charles Alexis Arguello James Toney Pernell Whitaker Floyd Patterson Joe Louis All excellent counter punchers and used their opponents mistakes to find angles for the clean counters. Louis and Charles in particular were known to be good combination counter punchers. Guys like Arguello and Toney were good at waiting for opponents to create an opening and then they'd land the sharp counter right hands in return. Leonard and Whitaker used defense to make their opponents overextend themselves so that they could counter and move out just to set up and repeat. good post.

I have to go with Toney & Mayweather from the fighter that I've seen. Also Hopkin can be real good with his counter punches. I AGREE WITH HOPKINS

Are we talking like pure counter punchers here? Or just in general...? Ray Robinson Benny Leonard Ezzard Charles Alexis Arguello James Toney Pernell Whitaker Floyd Patterson Joe Louis All excellent counter punchers and used their opponents mistakes to find angles for the clean counters. Louis and Charles in particular were known to be good combination counter punchers. Guys like Arguello and Toney were good at waiting for opponents to create an opening and then they'd land the sharp counter right hands in return. Leonard and Whitaker used defense to make their opponents overextend themselves so that they could counter and move out just to set up and repeat.

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Curry Curry Was An Awesome Counter Puncher... The Counter Left Hook He Hit Mccrory With Was One Of Th Egreat Single Punches Of All Time... Perfectly Planned And Excecuted