How Good was Bowe?

Cheats Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones and James Toney were all juiced up on steroids. Teenage buddies Mike Tyson and Chris Eubank were natural. http://img99.exs.cx/img99/4364/eubanktyson0ja.jpg :D

Did you see the way Mike won the title? He knocked Berbick down three times with one punch!

hahahahahaha, o man, a Tyson fanboy, perfect. Tyson has 2 losses to Holyfield when they were at equal stages at their careers. His two best wins come against a blown up lightheavyweight, and an old Larry Holmes, who Holyfield also beat. And how did Tyson do against Lewis? Oh thats right, obliterated, because hes been washed up for 15 years. Tysons resume is pathetic. Tyson left the Catskills and fell to pieces, he was a shadow of his former self against Bruno in 89 (his first fight without Rooney). An undefeated Tony Tucker would won every round against Lennox Lewis. An undefeated Michael Spinks would won every round against Lennox Lewis. Mike was the underdog in those fights but overcame adversity. Guys like Pinklon Thomas and Tony Tubbs were World Champions for years yet Tyson somehow beat them so fucking easily!! Tyson's resume is awesome. Youngest Ever Heavyweight Champion of the World, first man to ever unify the Heavyweight division, regained the World titles after being imprisoned. Somebody ban Ivan Drago before it gets personal. Mike Tyson at his young sharpest out of the Catskills was the closest we've seen to invincible in a boxing ring, and if you can't see that then you must be retarded.

hahahahahaha, o man, a Tyson fanboy, perfect. Tyson has 2 losses to Holyfield when they were at equal stages at their careers. His two best wins come against a blown up lightheavyweight, and an old Larry Holmes, who Holyfield also beat. And how did Tyson do against Lewis? Oh thats right, obliterated, because hes been washed up for 15 years. Tysons resume is pathetic.

Name one heavyweight in the last 20 years with a better resume than Holyfield. Tyson by far. The guy beat the current WBC champion, the current WBA champion, the current IBF champion, the former WBC champion, the former WBA champion, the former IBF champion, and then he knocked out the Lineal Champion in one round. All of this at just 20-21 years old while boxing out of the Catskills. He reigned as lb4lb #1 for years as a Heavyweight ahead of Hagler/Hearns/Leonard et al. The guy was genuinely seen as invincible, awesome skills and sick handspeed with COMBINATIONS(that he didn't have post-Catskills) and HEAD MOVEMENT(that he didn't have post-Catskills) and super body punching(that he didn't use have post-Catskills) and even a lot of quality, powerful jabs landing(that he didn't use post-Catskills). Even when he fought Holyfield, after almost four years in prison and a shadow of his former self, he was the huge, huge favourite despite being totally 'shot-it' and it ended up being Ring Magazine Upset of the Year.

Name one heavyweight in the last 20 years with a better resume than Holyfield.

I didnt say he DID beat anybody in their prime, but he did anyways. The first Bowe Holyfield fight was when they were both in their prime, and Bowe dominated him. And Holyfield beat plently of guys, what the hell are you talking about? Dwight Qawi, Larry Holmes, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Ray Mercer, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Alex Stewart, Bobby Czyz, Michael Moorer, Hasim Rahman, and John Ruiz! Thats a hell of a resume, considering he went toe to toe with these guys when he was usually outsized. He also gave Lewis two close, tough fights when he was past his prime. A 91 Holyfield would have killed Lewis. Are you drunk or something? "Holyfield never beat anybody" :lol1: Yes he beat 'names' such as Foreman, Holmes and Tyson but let's be honest they were totally 'shot-it' by then! Qawi was while he was still a Cruiserweight, before he got juiced up on roids. Lennox Lewis is another grossly over-rated figher, who clearly beat Holyfield in their first fight.

Totally disagree. He didn't beat anybody in his prime, Holyfield was grossly over-rated who didn't beat anybody either (aside from the forementioned Bowe and a totally 'shot-it' Tyson - nothing to write home about man, sorry). I didnt say he DID beat anybody in their prime, but he did anyways. The first Bowe Holyfield fight was when they were both in their prime, and Bowe dominated him. And Holyfield beat plently of guys, what the hell are you talking about? Dwight Qawi, Larry Holmes, George Foreman, Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson, Ray Mercer, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Alex Stewart, Bobby Czyz, Michael Moorer, Hasim Rahman, and John Ruiz! Thats a hell of a resume, considering he went toe to toe with these guys when he was usually outsized. He also gave Lewis two close, tough fights when he was past his prime. A 91 Holyfield would have killed Lewis. Are you drunk or something? "Holyfield never beat anybody" :lol1:

Prime Bowe, on his best night, I would favour him over any heavweight in history. Totally disagree. He didn't beat anybody in his prime, Holyfield was grossly over-rated who didn't beat anybody either (aside from the forementioned Bowe and a totally 'shot-it' Tyson - nothing to write home about man, sorry).

Prime Bowe, on his best night, I would favour him over any heavweight in history. He was huge but mobile, had a great jab, could take a punch, great stamina, carried his power into the later rounds, and was and still is the only big man to have a great inside game. Too bad he was a binge eating, lazy asshole with absolutely 0 work ethic. He could have dominated the 90s as the Undisputed Champion if he wanted to.

Riddick Big Daddy Bowe - could be - all time Heavyweight great until he meet Polish Andrew Golota 1996-12-14 - Convention Center Atlantic City USA DQ 9 :boxing: 1996-07-11 - Madison Square Garden New York USA DQ 7 :boxing:

Actions speak louder than words. He climed out of the ring after the 1st Holyfield fight and confronted Lewis on camera (who was doing commentary). He said he "owed" Lewis one for losing to him in the olympics, and promied to fight him next. Lewis got close to him and told him he was going to knock him out 'again'. Bowe looked very uncomfortable the whole time. Not only did he not go though with his own promise, he later threw his belt away rather than fight Lewis. I think for whatever reason, his loss to Lewis in the Olympics planted a seed that he shouldn't fight him. I don't know if afraid is the right word, but he clearly never had any interest in fighting Lewis. Aside from that, I think he was a decent prospect, but the Holyfield fights took something out of him. He got hit too often and I don't think he was the same fighter after those three fights (even though he won 2 of 3). He was another guy that was never 'all there' in the brains department. 1. no ones all there in the brains deparment lol its boxing 2. tru bowe gave up the title instead of fighting lennox (not 100% sure but i'll take ur word for it), but think of it like this. lewis gave up the IBF instead of fighting byrd. and alos the WBA isntead of fighting RUIZ. comon RUIZ!!!!! thts sad

Some unbelievable stats about Bowe is that he was in the same school class as Mike Tyson, and he lost to Chris Eubank in the first round of the New York Spanish Golden Gloves in 1984 at MIDDLEWEIGHT!

One thing I'm sure of is Bowe wasn't afraid of Lewis. Actions speak louder than words. He climed out of the ring after the 1st Holyfield fight and confronted Lewis on camera (who was doing commentary). He said he "owed" Lewis one for losing to him in the olympics, and promied to fight him next. Lewis got close to him and told him he was going to knock him out 'again'. Bowe looked very uncomfortable the whole time. Not only did he not go though with his own promise, he later threw his belt away rather than fight Lewis. I think for whatever reason, his loss to Lewis in the Olympics planted a seed that he shouldn't fight him. I don't know if afraid is the right word, but he clearly never had any interest in fighting Lewis. Aside from that, I think he was a decent prospect, but the Holyfield fights took something out of him. He got hit too often and I don't think he was the same fighter after those three fights (even though he won 2 of 3). He was another guy that was never 'all there' in the brains department.

Bowe had top-5 skills along with a club-fighter's work-ethic, which led to instant stardom followed by a quick demise

He definitely does not belong in the top ten. Top 30 is more like it. He ran from Lennox remember.

Thats right, Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Lewis....you name it and Bowe would have been competitive with them. I think he'd of been competitive with a Catskills Tyson as well, obviously he wouldn't of stood much chance of beating a Catskills Tyson but I don't think it would of been an easy fight for Mike. I rate Bowe alongside the likes of Tony Tubbs and Pinklon Thomas, slightly below Tucker but slightly above Witherspoon.

Bowe had every skill neccessary to be an all-time great heavyweight. Great jab, good right hand behind it, power in both hands, great size and overall strength, long reach, a very solid chin, and most inportantly he was an EXCELLENT in-fighter. Most big men suck on the inside but Riddick was a terror in the trenches. The version of Riddick that beat Holyfield in his first fight would have given any HW a lot of trouble and would have beaten some of them. Thats right, Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Lewis....you name it and Bowe would have been competitive with them. He was however very afraid of Lennox for some reason, and couldn't control his weight issues. His laziness and overeating is what lead to his downfall....and the Holyfield fights.

Bowe had a little spell while Tyson was in jail and before Lewis went to the Kronk. He fought the over-rated Holyfield a few times, even losing against him. He's not an all-time great.