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Toney fought better opposition. Jones just has the style to beat Toney. Weight drained or not.

I had Toney beating Jirov by a wide margin. Just because some rounds are close doesn't mean you give one here to Jirov and one here to Toney. Truth is there were a LOT of close rounds, but Toney was the one winning them.

Roy Jones beat an unmotivated Toney who wasn't nearly as dangerous as he was when he was really on for a fight. He also beat a much younger Bernard Hopkins who was not on top of his game mentally. Both were still very good wins however. James Toneys best wins were against maybe the best fighter in the world (at the time) and the legitimate p4p #1 fighter in Michael Nunn and the Cruiserweight king in Vassiliy Jirov. Nunn was 36-0 and could do it all. Great fluid boxing skills, a good chin, power in both hands, threw punches in combination behind the jab well, great footwork, etc. His win over Jirov was so great because Jirov was a top 10 p4p guy at the time, he was avoided like the plague, he was an insane body puncher with a great workrate, and he was as tough as nails. Outside of that, Toney has beaten McCallum x2, Barkley, Williams, Holyfield, Littles...Jones has beaten Tarver, Malinga, Pazienza, Griffin, Hill, Woods. I think that James has taken on the tougher competition personally. You nailed it on the head, brother!

You obviously give rounds to people who just throw a lot of meaningless punches and don't land them. Seriously, you must have scored the DLH/Sturm fight for DLH in that case. Toney was landing the better punches and actually I believe he outlanded Jirov in power shots. I had it 6-5 or 6-4-1 Toney going into the 12 and then Toney clearly won that round so yeah... id expect to hear that coming from the biggest toney fan lmao

Easy. Toney didn't even land hard when Holy went down, Holy was just exhausted from being old and sorry. Holy was shot. That win means nothing man, absolutely nothing. Jirov was the best prime beast Toney fought. You should brag on that. Roy rocked Ruiz and almost put hm down in the 5th or 6th round. Watch the replay and listen to the reactuion of the crowd and commentators and look at Ruiz WOBBLE. Roy hurt Ruiz as much and maybe more than Toney. Obviously we will continue to disagree...oh well. Yeah well we can agree that Hoyl was washed up and all, but Toney did really beat the living shit out of him, and he hurt him in that last round with a big bodyshot. I know that the win means very little and didn't mean to imply that it did. Yeah well agree to disagree. We can agree on the fact that both guys owned Ruiz at least.

hmm I don't see Roy being able to KO even the washed up Holyfield. Easy. Toney didn't even land hard when Holy went down, Holy was just exhausted from being old and sorry. Holy was shot. That win means nothing man, absolutely nothing. Jirov was the best prime beast Toney fought. You should brag on that. Roy rocked Ruiz and almost put hm down in the 5th or 6th round. Watch the replay and listen to the reactuion of the crowd and commentators and look at Ruiz WOBBLE. Roy hurt Ruiz as much and maybe more than Toney. Obviously we will continue to disagree...oh well.

Yeah, he was also fighting tomato cans, the only fighters he faced with less than 4 losses before his loss had padded records themselves his next opponent has nine losses. It's not rocket science to know that Jirov was a monster at Cruiser. Either you know or you don't, this isn't something you can tell from boxrec. He fought all of his mandatories and some of the above average names he beat were Castro, Letterlough (who he probably ruined), and an unbeaten Dale Brown (who was just blantantly robbed against O'Neil Bell). It's not just that he beat everyone, but he KILLED them. Not a single one of his title fights were close until Toney came up and fucked his whole career up. Jirov was also avoided like no other by other top cruisers and guys coming up in weight. Roy could have fought him (I don't blaming him for fighting at HW though) and didn't.

That's just because Nunn was a bad style matchup for Toney. Jones would have not had the problems Toney did with Nunn. I've seen a lot of Hopkins fights and he was near top form if you ask me, Roy's style just didn't allow him to do much. Hopkins' style didn't change much just before and after Roy. In my opinion, Jones landed more cleanly on Ruiz than did Toney, and he definitely looked better beating Ruiz than Toney did, however you score the rounds. Jones rocked Ruiz worse than Toney did at any point in the fight if you ask me. Ruiz was shook bad in the 5th or 6th by Roy and Toney never shook him like that. If we are comparing comp, don't we have to compare losses if Toney and Roy faced the same guy and Jones beat that guy whereas Toney did not. I think if not, then it's not fair for you to say beating old McCallum multiple times (don't forget the draw and that Toney struggled with old Mike more than Roy did) helps Toney's resume stack up better than Roy's. Come on man. I think Toney faced bigger punchers simply because he fought a lot of bigger guys, doesn't make his resume better. You a Toney...fine. I'm a Roy fan, obviously. Still, I just don't see how you can say Toney's resume level of comp is any better than Roy's. Not clearly. If anything it should be close, and leave it at that. Not like we are comparing Muhammad Ali's comp to Arturo Gatti's comp. You're extremely wrong about Jones not potentially having problems with Nunn. Nunn was an excellent pure boxer with handspeed, power in both fists, great footwork, a good chin, and just about the best all around game at the time. He would have given any middleweight a very hard time. Roy doesn't have nearly the chin that Toney has and it wouldn't have been a fight where nunn is just overwhelmed by Roys speed because Nunn was a very fast handed boxer himself with a good style to box with Roy. I don't think it's up for debate whether the Hopkins that dominated and KOed Tito would have fared better against Roy. Hopkins was nowhere near the mental level that he is now, and he probably didn't know about half the tricks he does now. That was the Hopkins that was dropped twice and hurt by Segundo Mercado...Hopkins of 200 is a much smarter, more polished boxer. Did you see the Toney right hand cam that they played in between rounds of the Toney/Ruiz fight? He landed just as often and harder than did Jones. Toney at HW is a much heavier puncher than is Roy. I don't see Roy being able to KO even the washed up Holyfield. I guess we just have different opinions there though since both guys picked him apart quite nicely. The comp you face is based on the fighters you face and how many times you fight them. An older McCallum was still a good opponent and Toney faced him three times. Roy and Toney both fought Griffin twice, that's why I left him out of the equation. It's true that their levels of comp are close, and I'm not saying that Toneys blows Roys out of the water, but I still think it was better overall.

When Vassiliy Jirov was 31-0 or whatever he was and was straight dominating everyone he faced he was definitely a legitimate top 10-12 p4p guy. Jirov was avoided like no other too. Yeah, he was also fighting tomato cans, the only fighters he faced with less than 4 losses before his loss had padded records themselves his next opponent has nine losses.

I think the weight issue with Jones is overused. I'm not here to say if it's right or wrong, but for the Johnson fight he looked good at the weigh in, he didn't look sick (look at Simeraksou's avatar)..he just didn't train. Jones' biggest problems came after he decided not to focus himself on boxing. He also looked good in round 1 vs. Tarver. That punch Tarver landed would have knocked out any Roy Jones at 175lbs.

hmm Nunn was a harder fight than anyone Roy has on his record. That's just because Nunn was a bad style matchup for Toney. Jones would have not had the problems Toney did with Nunn. I've seen a lot of Hopkins fights and he was near top form if you ask me, Roy's style just didn't allow him to do much. Hopkins' style didn't change much just before and after Roy. In my opinion, Jones landed more cleanly on Ruiz than did Toney, and he definitely looked better beating Ruiz than Toney did, however you score the rounds. Jones rocked Ruiz worse than Toney did at any point in the fight if you ask me. Ruiz was shook bad in the 5th or 6th by Roy and Toney never shook him like that. If we are comparing comp, don't we have to compare losses if Toney and Roy faced the same guy and Jones beat that guy whereas Toney did not. I think if not, then it's not fair for you to say beating old McCallum multiple times (don't forget the draw and that Toney struggled with old Mike more than Roy did) helps Toney's resume stack up better than Roy's. Come on man. I think Toney faced bigger punchers simply because he fought a lot of bigger guys, doesn't make his resume better. You a Toney...fine. I'm a Roy fan, obviously. Still, I just don't see how you can say Toney's resume level of comp is any better than Roy's. Not clearly. If anything it should be close, and leave it at that. Not like we are comparing Muhammad Ali's comp to Arturo Gatti's comp.

little off topic imo toeny did not beat jirov by any means, that scoring in that fight is absolutly horrible You obviously give rounds to people who just throw a lot of meaningless punches and don't land them. Seriously, you must have scored the DLH/Sturm fight for DLH in that case. Toney was landing the better punches and actually I believe he outlanded Jirov in power shots. I had it 6-5 or 6-4-1 Toney going into the 12 and then Toney clearly won that round so yeah...

little off topic imo toeny did not beat jirov by any means, that scoring in that fight is absolutly horrible

In my opinion, beating an ancient Holyfgield is not a good win. Tarver lost a disputable decision to Jirov in the Olynmpics, and Roy beat Tarver when struggling badly with weight, so his win over Tarver is as good as Toney's over Jirov, if not better. Jones also beat Ruiz more convincingly. In fact, Toney doesn't hold a win over Ruiz, it is a NC due to steroids (fopr whatever reason). Jones SMOKED Griffin whereas Toney lost to him twice. Nunn was a good fighter, probably as good as anyone Roy has faced. Level of competition is very comparable. Toney has no edge. I disagree with just about everything you said here but then again I'm a Toney fan and you're a Jones fan. The Jirov that Toney faced was a monster in that Cruiser division and was avoided like the plague by everyone. He would have smoked Tarver and would have given a 190 pound Roy Jones hell and might have beat him given Roys chin. Ams mean nothing... Nunn was a harder fight than anyone Roy has on his record. He was 36-0 and on top of his game. Toney was weight drained and Hopkins was not near his top form. Nunn was in his prime and was the best fighter in the world at the time. We aren't talking about losses here so that Griffin talk is void. I scored the Toney-Ruiz bout 9-3 Toney + the KD....but I could have seen 8-4. He hurt Ruiz worse than Jones and really beat his body and face up pretty bad. Jones didn't really land anything that stunned or hurt Ruiz but a couple of those right hand counters that Toney landed stunned him. Toney also faced bigger punchers and fought McCallum two times more than Jones. McCallum in his old age was still a good fighter.

hmm In my opinion, beating an ancient Holyfgield is not a good win. Tarver lost a disputable decision to Jirov in the Olynmpics, and Roy beat Tarver when struggling badly with weight, so his win over Tarver is as good as Toney's over Jirov, if not better. Jones also beat Ruiz more convincingly. In fact, Toney doesn't hold a win over Ruiz, it is a NC due to steroids (fopr whatever reason). Jones SMOKED Griffin whereas Toney lost to him twice. Nunn was a good fighter, probably as good as anyone Roy has faced. Level of competition is very comparable. Toney has no edge.

Jirov a top P4P guy? Errr NO. When Vassiliy Jirov was 31-0 or whatever he was and was straight dominating everyone he faced he was definitely a legitimate top 10-12 p4p guy. Jirov was avoided like no other too.

jones is better because he beat toney, but toney fough better opponenets and was in war his best win vs nunn,jirov and holyfield . roy beat toney,hopkins and tarver but i wasent impress though

gonna have to go with jones, i mean, after all, he beat b-hop

. His win over Jirov was so great because Jirov was a top 10 p4p guy at the time, Jirov a top P4P guy? Errr NO.

Jones said his body had acclimated for the second fight. He said he made the weight easily. And, I'm sure you recall that he looked just as quick in that first round in Jones v. Tarver II as he had for the last couple years. I was watching with a buddy of mine, who is a very knowledgable boxing fan and a long-time Jones fan, and he said after that 1st round that Jones looked as quick and strong as he had against Ruiz. As far as it being OK or not OK for Toney to be weight drained, like I said, that's Toney's problem. If he wasn't physically able to get up for that fight, then he never should have stepped through the ropes. He did. Jones won. End of story. yeah he made the wieght eay but didnt u see the Tarver and Johnson fights...So what he was fast he looked sick not ripped like he used to be...And im not sayin he had trouble making the wieght im sayin he got burnt when he lost all of it to fight tarver the 1st time.