Im a huge Mayweather fan so I dont think Gatti couldve won no matter what but do you guys think that McGirt had a idiotic game plan that made it even easier for Floyd? If Gatti wouldve went back to his brawling style would have had a chance? The reason I ask is because I think McGirt is the most overrated trainer in boxing. Gatti barley beat Branco with his style. I think Goosen is 10x better. He was the trainer win Cassamayor beat Chico and then the next fight Goosen went to Chico and McGirt went to Casamayor and had him fighting stupid ever since. Chico dominater the second fight until the end when you could tell that Joel abandon what Buddy was saying and just fought like he wanted to and then he started beating Chico again.
McGirt tries to make guys fight just like he did and its stupid. He is not a top trainer. Either way though I think Floyd wouldve killed Gatti
i didn't need no dictionary to tell me that and i dont live carrying a pocket dictionary to tell me things. but for natural reactions of people, beggin is askin many times. it just seemed that gatti didn't want it so bad, so he quitted. and he wasnt mad at his corner. 'nough said.
didn't see this til today. is that how people beg? u should go out more. if you want something so bad, u "gatti" show it :D but apparently gatti want no more of floyd. to me he quitted and his corner saved his face.
I beg your pardon? Did you manage to find a dictionary already!? How is the counting going!?
By accident I was outside the other day and I noticed a begger and he asked me for a euro...Ok so next time Gatti should ask McGirt for one dollar twenty (USD mind you, not sure what the exchange rate of the canadian dollar is atm), I guess, until that time (and probably after this time also) you keep on seeing everything else as "no objection" in him. :D
IMO, PBF has superceded Sugar Ray Leonard in my eyes. I watched the fight in awe. He just gets better with each fight. No matter what Gatti did, he was not in the same class. Even at his prime, Gatti would have been knocked out, because he used to brawl at that stage and was open to a lot more shots.
Even if you're not a Mayweather fan and I was not....you have to respect and appreciate his ability! Poetry in motion!
Gatti lost this and no one could have helped him.... He was just outclassed. It got to the point that Gatti knew the only way to get in and land anything on Mayweather he had to eat at least 3 punches. He didn't want to go through the pain and it made it a one sided fight.
I think that regardless of the gameplan, Floyds speed was just too much for him. Up until that fight I considered McGirt a godsend (and still do) but for that particular fight it would have been better if he fought the old way. I still dont think he would have won but he may have hurt Floyd a little atleast. Let him know he was there! McGirt is perfect for a fighter like gatti..been thru countless wars and damn near finished cause he is teaching him how to defend himself better and therefore extend him career to make more money before retiring. But for this fight boxing was not the answer cause Floyd is just too fast and slick...thankfully they dont all box as well as Floyd and this is Gatti first loss while being with McGirt since the first fight with Ward.
Begging is NOT asking many times, open a dictionary and find something like "to ask (earnestly) for"
Next time I will take better heed in the "your (think to) see" and "think (to know)" parts of your post.
A small count finally:
One more...one more round..one more.
;)didn't see this til today. is that how people beg? u should go out more. if you want something so bad, u "gatti" show it :D but apparently gatti want no more of floyd. to me he quitted and his corner saved his face.
I've been trying to figure out exactly why McGirt would send Gatti in there to box Mayweather. Like most of you, I thought Arturo's only chance was to revert back to his old self. And I knew he had Zero chance to win, trying to box.
I think the biggest difference in the Gatti we've known from the past & the Gatti we saw against Mayweather was in his mind set.
McGirt has been fantastic for Arturo & deserves credit for giving Gatti a 2nd wind in his career.
But it has been drilled into Gatti's head over his time with McGirt that it is not a good thing to get hit. The old Gatti was happy to take 3,4 or 5 punches in the hope of landing one. But that is no longer the case. He is no longer in a brawlers mind set. While that was a real positive thing against he recent opponents. It worked as a negitive against PBF.
We always say styles make fights, and even though I think he still gets beat, the old Gatti probably has a better shot at beating Mayweather than the recent version. Even though Gatti under McGirt is a much improved fighter.
I guess in there defense, it is a little harsh to just expect Gatti to just flip a switch & become a brawler again. Considering he has been working extremly hard to move away from that.
As far as Gatti quiting. It's just silly, Buddy stopped the fight, Gatti did not quit. He was literally begging for one more round. But McGirt stopped it, like a good trainer should.
no doubt, good points about the talent difference between Floyd & Wilson, & Gatti stopped fighting back because he was getting hit repeatedly, but we're still just working around the point that Gatti did in fact quit, it was by no means the most dishonorable quit-job in boxing history, heck I thought McGirt should have thrown in the towel after round 4, but he did quit, no matter how we slice it
I guess I just don't think quitting is necessarily a bad thing. A difference of opinion, really. To me, there's no shame in submitting to your opponent when you've had the shit kicked out of you, and there really isn't a chance of you turning it around. Quitting because you don't THINK you can win, and you give up on yourself, is when it's bad.
I'm not gonna discredit Mayweather. Gatti didn't stop throwing punches so his corner would throw in the towel. He stopped throwing punches because he was getting hurt badly, and he was being hit relentlessly. Maybe in the old days he would have stayed in for one more round, just to try for that lucky shot, but there's a big difference between hangin' in with Rodriguez where he has a reasonably chance of catching up, and hangin' in with Mayweather, who's arguably the best boxer in the world.
no doubt, good points about the talent difference between Floyd & Wilson, & Gatti stopped fighting back because he was getting hit repeatedly, but we're still just working around the point that Gatti did in fact quit, it was by no means the most dishonorable quit-job in boxing history, heck I thought McGirt should have thrown in the towel after round 4, but he did quit, no matter how we slice it
thaks for all of the lousy excuses, but Gatti quit in the middle of round 6, the "old" Gatti would have AT LEAST tried to land a monster left hook, the "new" Gatti who now has $1mil in the bank didn't retaliate and stopped throwing punches until the round ended so that McGirt could quit for him (I can't say I blame the guy, Mayweather was a trillion times more talented, but he quit regardless of how you want to rationalize it)
I'm not gonna discredit Mayweather. Gatti didn't stop throwing punches so his corner would throw in the towel. He stopped throwing punches because he was getting hurt badly, and he was being hit relentlessly. Maybe in the old days he would have stayed in for one more round, just to try for that lucky shot, but there's a big difference between hangin' in with Rodriguez where he has a reasonably chance of catching up, and hangin' in with Mayweather, who's arguably the best boxer in the world.
Gatti's eye was messed. The ring doctor was in checking him out when the corner threw in the towel. He took the most one-sided beating in round six, it wasn't funny. He is a blood and guts warrior. He got pounded for three minutes straight and refused to drop. He was outclassed and outmatched. There is a time when health has to come before pride. McGirt knew he was done, and smartly told him he was done for the night. There's a difference between quitting because you're beat mentally, or frustrated, and quitting when you're guaranteed to get seriously hurt.
thaks for all of the lousy excuses, but Gatti quit in the middle of round 6, the "old" Gatti would have AT LEAST tried to land a monster left hook, the "new" Gatti who now has $1mil in the bank didn't retaliate and stopped throwing punches until the round ended so that McGirt could quit for him (I can't say I blame the guy, Mayweather was a trillion times more talented, but he quit regardless of how you want to rationalize it)
well the so-called "Blood & Guts Warrior" now goes into the Quitters Club along with Tyson, Tszyu, Navarro, Abdullaev, the Quitschko's, Freitas, and the president of the club Andrew Golota..... Gatti quit before the end of round 6 when he basically stopped fighting back, he just wanted to make it back to the corner so that Dirt McGirt could be the scapegoat....so to answer the question, GATTI LOST
Gatti's eye was messed. The ring doctor was in checking him out when the corner threw in the towel. He took the most one-sided beating in round six, it wasn't funny. He is a blood and guts warrior. He got pounded for three minutes straight and refused to drop. He was outclassed and outmatched. There is a time when health has to come before pride. McGirt knew he was done, and smartly told him he was done for the night. There's a difference between quitting because you're beat mentally, or frustrated, and quitting when you're guaranteed to get seriously hurt.
I guess the conversation took a wrong turn....I was comparing ABDULLAEV quitting to Gatti NOT quitting vs. Rodriguez (ironically both were at MSG venues).... because you are right about Gatti having nada vs. Floyd and that it should have been stopped, no doubt about it
Ah okay.
Even then, Abdullaev wasn't having as much success against Cotto as Gatti had against Rodriguez.
Actually I was 12 when Toney fought Barkley.
Against Rodriguez he was in the fight......against Floyd he had nothing.
I guess the conversation took a wrong turn....I was comparing ABDULLAEV quitting to Gatti NOT quitting vs. Rodriguez (ironically both were at MSG venues).... because you are right about Gatti having nada vs. Floyd and that it should have been stopped, no doubt about it
Of course he mildly protested, remember when Iran Barkley protested his corner stopping the fight vs. James Toney? (actually you were probably 3 years old at that time)
please refer to Arturo Gatti-Wilson Rodriguez, THEN tell me about a guy with one eye swollen shut
Actually I was 12 when Toney fought Barkley.
Against Rodriguez he was in the fight......against Floyd he had nothing.
Gatti at least mildly protested when McGirt said he would stop it.
I don't see how you can put Abdullaev on that list.....I mean he couldn't see out of one eye against a dangerous puncher like Cotto.
Of course he mildly protested, remember when Iran Barkley protested his corner stopping the fight vs. James Toney? (actually you were probably 3 years old at that time)
please refer to Arturo Gatti-Wilson Rodriguez, THEN tell me about a guy with one eye swollen shut
well the so-called "Blood & Guts Warrior" now goes into the Quitters Club along with Tyson, Tszyu, Navarro, Abdullaev, the Quitschko's, Freitas, and the president of the club Andrew Golota..... Gatti quit before the end of round 6 when he basically stopped fighting back, he just wanted to make it back to the corner so that Dirt McGirt could be the scapegoat....so to answer the question, GATTI LOST
Gatti at least mildly protested when McGirt said he would stop it.
I don't see how you can put Abdullaev on that list.....I mean he couldn't see out of one eye against a dangerous puncher like Cotto.