Judah vs. Tsyzu Questions

The fight your most likely going to see is De La Hoya vs Judah, De La Hoya will win, then I can see Tzyu going up to welterweight to face him and it being fair to accept the minority of the purse, because Tzyu or anybody else for that matter cant get any better fight than fighting De La Hoya. When Judah fights De La Hoya he is going to make a fortune since De La Hoya is the biggest draw in boxing apparently and unless Judah vacates a belt and De La Hoya gets it Judah is guaranteed teh majority of the purse. His promoters really set himself up good. That WOULD be a first! I ain't never seen him get a lesser share of any purse! Somehow, some way he won't against Judah either. If he loses again, maybe but I think he's got enough left to beat nearly anyone below 154 pounds. There are some beasts down there; Cintron, Margarito, Cotto and some guys who are highly regarded like Spinks, Judah and now Mosley again but all of em risk a loss with ODLH. He's especially dangerous now as he won't accept another loss easily. He knows the differnce between greatness and superstardom as far as his legacy, is at stake.

My view on that tszyu/judah fight was that it went jus as i predicted. U may look at it and say that tszyu landed 1 good shot, but on the contrary, Tszyu was beginning to dictate the pace. Judah had a good first round, which is nothing unheard of for Tszyu opponents (hurtado, leija, mitchell, etc.)...I predicted that tszyu would stun and stop judah early-middle rounds, it went much as i predicted just a tad earlier...Tszyu is/was a seasoned veteran against a brash guy who is gifted, nothing he hasnt seen before...My point is that all thoughts of that being anything lucky is absurd, in 2001 Tszyu woulda beat judah 99 times out of 100, contrast of styles..much like Barkley and Hearns....................As for a rematch, i'd give Tszyu the edge at either 140 or 147 simply becuz judah has shown that he is vulnerable to solid welterweights as he struggled against Pineda (old old man who tito fought over 10 years ago) and against Spinks the first fight...he happened to do good against spinks in the rematch and people think he is a solid welterweight, incorrect...Judah is still the same guy carrying the same weight and i'd pick Tszyu by stoppage mid-late simply becuz judah jus gets lacksadasical in serious situations....bottom line, jus cuz u weigh 200 lbs. ont make u a heavyweight boxer

The fight your most likely going to see is De La Hoya vs Judah, De La Hoya will win, then I can see Tzyu going up to welterweight to face him and it being fair to accept the minority of the purse, because Tzyu or anybody else for that matter cant get any better fight than fighting De La Hoya. When Judah fights De La Hoya he is going to make a fortune since De La Hoya is the biggest draw in boxing apparently and unless Judah vacates a belt and De La Hoya gets it Judah is guaranteed teh majority of the purse. His promoters really set himself up good.

Wow, those were some experienced comments Nady gave. He also paid some gracious respect to Judah. I respect Nady more now than ever. To top it all off, he's one of those badass Marines too!

I agree with you but Judah holds the undisputed title, at welter and could mean more money. I don`t think a rematch will happen though! Tzyu had the undisputed Lt welterweight title but he vacated all the belts except the IBF to fight Mitchell again. It would be ridiculous also from business standpoint for Tzyu to up to 147 and fight Judah as the challenger considering he already beat Judah. It would be totally unfair because Judah would be guaranteed the majority of the purse being the belt holder. Judah would have to vacate one of the belts and let Tzyu get it for that fight to happen. I cant see any reason why Tzyu should ever agree to fight Judah in a position where he gets less than the majority of the purse. Plus there is alot of good challengers to be dealt with at in Lt welterweight divison before Tzyu should start thinking about the welterweight division like Mayweather,Cotto,Vivian Harris, Ricky Hatton, Arturo Gatti,Abdulaev and alot of others.

If there is a rematch it should be at Lt Welterweight because that is what weight the first fight was at. Judah only went to welterweight after loosing to Tzyu. Tzyu is perfect at Jr Welterweight, and Jr welterweight the strongest division in boxing. If Judah looses to De La Hoya at welterweight maybe then he will come back down to Lt welter, but Tzyu might be retired by then. Not necessairly. You don't think Tszyu would like a crack at the unified Welterweight crown agaisnt a guy he already KO'd? Those titles are a huge incentive for Tszyu to move up. I think it would be a much closer fight.

If there is a rematch it should be at Lt Welterweight because that is what weight the first fight was at. Judah only went to welterweight after loosing to Tzyu. Tzyu is perfect at Jr Welterweight, and Jr welterweight the strongest division in boxing. If Judah looses to De La Hoya at welterweight maybe then he will come back down to Lt welter, but Tzyu might be retired by then. I agree with you but Judah holds the undisputed title, at welter and could mean more money. I don`t think a rematch will happen though!

lets just see a rematch at 147 damnit!! If there is a rematch it should be at Lt Welterweight because that is what weight the first fight was at. Judah only went to welterweight after loosing to Tzyu. Tzyu is perfect at Jr Welterweight, and Jr welterweight the strongest division in boxing. If Judah looses to De La Hoya at welterweight maybe then he will come back down to Lt welter, but Tzyu might be retired by then. Damn I just realize that Tzyu was undisputed Lt welterweight champion but he stripped of all his belts except the IBF after fighting Leigha and before Mitchell, must have been from missing mandatories.

No doubt Nadey made the right call. Here's an interview with Nadey: RM: Getting back to the Judah fight, you showed a lot of self control when he put his hands on you. Did it ever cross your mind to defend yourself, what exactly did you think when he grabbed you? JN: I could look into his eyes and they were very thick and he wasn’t even looking at me, he couldn’t even see me. I knew he couldn’t see me. He didn’t remember doing it. He didn’t know he had been knocked down. I’ve been a referee for thirty three years. He didn’t know he had been knocked down, he had been hurt, he thought I stopped the fight at the end of the round. He was never a threat to me. And a man in that condition who had been stopped, I didn’t think they needed to do anything too severe to the man. His behavior wasn’t acceptable and they have to do something about it because it isn’t the way officials should be treated. My brother was an NFL official, I’ve been a baseball umpire for damn near thirty years. I’ve been in basketball, baseball and football for a lot of years. My family has been involved in officiating for a long time, something obviously had to be done, but I think Zab Judah, is a great fighter, I just didn’t think he knew what happened, and he was confused and disoriented after he got knocked down. RM: I was at the fight live myself, it looked like he hit his head on the mat, and jumped up too fast, and that’s why he looked wobbly, don’t you think he should have taken a knee for an 8 count, or would you have stopped the fight in either case? JN: If he stayed down, I could have counted, but when he fell back down the second time, I knew he had a severe concussion and what we call the “second concussion syndrome” is a serious reality, when damage is done the most, we are trained for that. When we see a concussion, we stop the fight. He knows now. When I talked to him at the hearing in Reno, he told me, he was glad I stopped it, I may have saved him. If they have another fight, he wasn’t exposed as a bad fighter, he has an excuse to go on , if he needs one, but he doesn’t. He is a great fighter, and a great young man. He comes from a good stock, he will get past this.

Isn't there a rule that if you fall during a count that you're automatically out of the fight? Judah looked to be pretty seriously messed up by that second punch, and got up WAY too fast. He might have made the count if he'd taken more time to get his legs back. If there isn't a rule, I think the ref made a decent call to stop the fight. If you try to get up and your legs go out from under you like that, your brains are pretty scrambled.

lets just see a rematch at 147 damnit!! Hell yeah, and I think Zab would fight differently and maybe knock Tyszu out.

There is always a concussion when fighter looses his conciousness and goes down. Wobbly legs is one of the signs. Also when fighter is stunned it is a mild concussion. Thats why there is a 90 day license revoke if a fighter gets ko'ed. Wow I didn't know that thanks

Hey Jack you are right, but they fought under unified rules and standing 8 count was not permitted. Also there is no rule that state that if fighter goes down twice from the same punch than the fight should be stopped but there is a rule that referee can stop a fight at any time. Nady was right, Zabdiel, when danced, shown that he had concussion and right after he jumped up and Nady asked him something(you can see it on a tape) he responded with bullshit and Nady just had to stop the fight over the concern of Zab's health. Yeah but you also should remember that it was at the end of the round so he could have had time to regroup. Was it confirmed that had a concussion? I thought he probably was so stunned that he lost his legs momentarily.

Yeah, I think Nady should have gave him the standing eight count as well. He did fall pretty bad, though. Judah ruined things for himself by trying to get up so quick. He should have gathered himself while on the ground, so he can get back up and fight back strong, because everyone knows that was no flash-knockdown. Hey thats a good point, I never thought of that he should regrouped while the ground. He got up way to fast and then he paniced. I think in the heat of the moment(especially when you young and have never been down)your body tells you to get up right away.

Yeah, I think Nady should have gave him the standing eight count as well. He did fall pretty bad, though. Judah ruined things for himself by trying to get up so quick. He should have gathered himself while on the ground, so he can get back up and fight back strong, because everyone knows that was no flash-knockdown.