Tito's HandWraps.

Bouie Fischer: "I tell you, Ike. They have been getting away with that for a long time. I sent my people to Trinidad's locker room to make sure everything was right. When they got there they came back to me and told me that Trinidad's left hand was wrapped before they got there. So, I had to go over to his dressing room myself, this is my business and I have been doing it for over 50 years. When I got there I told them to unwrap the hand and do it over because we need to see the hand being wrapped. They refused to unwrap the hands so I told them I guess the fight will not happen then, we can reschedule to another date. The officials came in and said we don't have time to do this over. I told them, well we must do this right or no fight. They know the rules, no tape on the skin or tape on the ankle. His left hand was heavy just like your camera. Guess what, the officials then said you can go and wrap Bernard hands anyway you want. Trinidad's father and his people didn't want to make the change because they knew they cheated and they tried to cover it up by asking me to wrap Bernard's hands anyway we wish. I wasn't going for that, we have to do this right, they raised hell like you couldn't believe. I said you can do it your way, but there will be no fight if you don't do it right. They said we are going to leave it as it is, so I told them we can reschedule the fight untill next week. They didn't want to do that. This is why we had a delay coming out. When they saw Bernard they tried to ask us to take off just a little tape, but they had a half roll of tape on Trinidad's left hand. This is why people say he has a good left hook. David Reid paid a big price, Trinidad took away the fighter in him. David Reids people were trying to schedule a fight with Bernard and it could have happened if Reid would have won his last fight. I'm glad it never happened." I suppose you people have already heard this. Forgive me for posting it over if done. I am starting to wonder though. Why in the hell did Joppy say he felt like Tito had cement in his gloves? He has NEVER been blown away like that. I am sorry to all the Tito fans for continuing this nonsense if not-warranted. I demand a rematch though. Damn it. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Comments (20)

i think this is just a myth, maybe tito's corner didn't wanna unwrap his hands, but that doesn't mean he had cement in his hand. That was never the issue. The issue was: Did he use more than the allowed length of gauze to wrap his hand. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

20y ago

Run8964

. a heavier hand will only slow a fighter down, and hurt him more when he connects with a punch... Adeelr. Please excuse yourself. You know not what you are saying. Added mass = More punching power. Especially dense, hard mass. This would not apply in the case of 16 oz gloves though. I would much rather take a golf ball to the forehead, than a 100mph fastball from Randy Johnson. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

21y ago

adeelr

i think this is just a myth, maybe tito's corner didn't wanna unwrap his hands, but that doesn't mean he had cement in his hand. a heavier hand will only slow a fighter down, and hurt him more when he connects with a punch...this is just something that used to happen in the past and doesn't happen anymore cuz they found out that it dont work.

21y ago

Run8964

Morales had Pacman use lesser gloves, they signed that on the contract, so he could get the "winners" glove, so I guess he cheated infront of your faces, lucky for him he never fought Casamayor, Frietas, Corrales or Seda in all his time fighting. So. Theoretically it is ok for them to use outside weapons as long as they agree on the contract? Such as guns, knives, or even grenades? How about land mines under the ring mat. Or how about they hire someone ringside to shoot the opposing fighter. Or what if they agreed to place cyanide in each other's water bottles, and refuse drinking water. If I were signing the contracts, I would allow Tito and Winky to wear American Gladiator outfits, and fight with those padded, double sided clubs. Maybe they can climb a net wall, complete an obstacle course, then fight. How about they fight on the street, and are allowed 5 others to help assist, as long as it is in the contract. someone should notice when Tito enters the ring with his hands cemented inside a 5 gallon bucket. The gloves will be "Tubular Shaped". Doing handstands and all. 5 Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

21y ago

Red_Menace

Only if you're not paying attention. Most of those excerpts from the various trainers weren't addressing Tito in particular, only their own practices or general practice and opinion. None of em could testify to how Tito's dad wraps his hands; maybe he had been putting tape on his bare hand. We sure as hell didn't see the power that will, "after a few power shots cause Winky to lower his guard", against Hopkins. The argument from Bouie Fisher seemed to be that Trinidad had too much tape on his hands: "When they saw Bernard they tried to ask us to take off just a little tape, but they had a half roll of tape on Trinidad's left hand. This is why people say he has a good left hook. David Reid paid a big price, Trinidad took away the fighter in him." He never said anything about the hand being wrapped improperly, other than that. From what Boricua posted, that amount of tape seems to be common and legal, at least in some states. Maybe not where Trinidad was fighting Hopkins - I don't know. But, you're right. THe stuff Boricua posted is not 100% proof that Trinidad is not cheating. But I wouldn't say there's a hell of a lot of proof that he is cheating either. It would be pretty bad to tarnish a good boxers career with a scandal based on little more than heresay and conjecture.

21y ago

enadeus

They better supervise the handwrapping during the Winky fight to make sure that he doesn't have an unfair advantage and so that I don't lose my bet :D

21y ago

dino

i never heard that before..i guess he cheats

21y ago

mic573

It would take a conscientious, principalled, assertive trainer to force the issue and insist that a respected powerful trainer like Senor Trinidad choke back his sense of honor and fairplay and reveal how his fighter's hands are wrapped ... as he is supposed to in the interest of fair play. The NYSAC did make Trinidad Sr. demonstrate the way he wraps Tito's hands before the Mayorga fight and they said they seen nothing wrong just like on the night of the fight. They only made Trinidad rewrap because they said the event was too big to cancel. Both Bouie Fischer and Nazeem Richardson have said in interviews that it was just a mind game they were playing on Tito. Hopkins even said at the final press conference for the Howard Eastman fight that Nazeem Richardson was the man behind the plan while praising Richardson as his strategist.

21y ago

Shaolin_Bushido

Well, Barikua put and end to that discussion. There is some corruption in boxing, but I highly doubt all of those people would be lying for one fighter. Only if you're not paying attention. Most of those excerpts from the various trainers weren't addressing Tito in particular, only their own practices or general practice and opinion. None of em could testify to how Tito's dad wraps his hands; maybe he had been putting tape on his bare hand. We sure as hell didn't see the power that will, "after a few power shots cause Winky to lower his guard", against Hopkins. Boricua should be subjected to a couple of those Tito left hooks for posting that Tome of Trivia and Blatant Nuthugging. Just kidding, but it doesn't really support his argument as completely as ole Red here asserts. Of course, I don't have any evidence to the contrary myself. At any rate, the guy who said that ignorance or negligence by the opposing fighter's team or officials in being there to inspect the wrapping is their own fault. They deserve to get hit with a fucking cast.

21y ago

Run8964

Listen, adding tape or gauze to a fist won't make it hit harder. . Yeah Right. Ten Yards of Tape equals alot of added mass. Hard friggin mass I might add. And depending on how compact you wrap it, as well as the shape of the fighter's fist, you have a sledgehammer waiting to crush its victims. Excuse me for all the drama. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

21y ago

The_Troll

In the old days they used to have rule that in all championship matches the hands had to be wrapped inside the ring, I dont know why they ever changed that rule.

21y ago

Palma

Wow! so the wraps do make a difference. I did not know that. :eek:

21y ago

PRboxingfan

Listen, adding tape or gauze to a fist won't make it hit harder. All it does is protect the hands and allows for the fighter to punch at his maximum power with less fear of hurting himself. That's all. Also, I can't find it, but Boxingtalk interviewed Bouie and he said that the handwrapping thing was all a psychological ploy to get Tito out of his mindset. Hopkins, if I'm not mistaken, said something to that extent, too.

21y ago

Moonra69

I just tryin to find the article that you just posted. I've hard that argument before and it was spread by this young fella from MAGBOX web site. Several pros conclude that you can put all the tape you want and it will not increase your power. Also, and I think it is mentioned in the article Tito keeps his wrapping after the fights so wouldn't he remove it ASAP if there was something to hide.

21y ago

Run8964

after this issue came up, decided to join in and come out with their own “allegations”. Why ‘weren’t Mamadou Thiam, Oscar De La Hoya, Pernell Whitaker and Hugo Pineda questioned? Was it because all except Pineda finished on their feet? . That is the most compelling arguement against the handwrapping allegations IMO. Surely, one could also argue; these were among his biggest fights. If no complaint: Then yes. I see the allegations unwarranted because he would have used the wraps against these fighters. Keep in mind though: It would be slander for an "official" to claim otherwise, if he was not beyond the shadow of a doubt. Why in the hell, would an old man like Bouie Fischer tell that story. Yes, he could risk slander suits....and Nard would take care of him financially. But why stake his, and the Nard camp's reputation on it? seems overwhelming especially in the case of the ONE fighter that BEAT Trinidad. LOL Why would they try and make Tito look bad: at the expense of Joppy, Vargas, Reid etc......who are cheeky little subordinates to these two big boys? And please remember: Trinidad deserves worlds of credit for being the fighter he is. However this is the biggest scandal in boxing since the black bottle incident in the Pryor/Arguello fight. AM: State of Florida Rules and Regulations state that 105-154 pounds can use 10 yds of gauze Jesus. That right there can be construed as a potential "weapon". If you wad up a roll of tape 10 yards long and throw it at someone, black eye for sure. Tito will KO wright, I do not care how good Winkys defence is, after even a few tito power shots on the arms the guard will slowly drop and then WHAM the KO will come, end of. also keep in mind cortez, I am arguing this point because I am actually a fan of William Joppy. Not necessarily because I am trying to add credit to the Wright side. I have been bitter ever since that devistating knockout years back. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

21y ago

Red_Menace

Well, Barikua put and end to that discussion. There is some corruption in boxing, but I highly doubt all of those people would be lying for one fighter.

21y ago

Cortez

It's a trainer job to be there for the hand wrapping, but if he did cheat the it's the opponents corners fault. That being said I have always thought this was pure BS, tito is a KO puncher, like Kostya, some of them just got dynamite in the fists. Why do people always try to deminish such things with conspiracy stories. Tito will KO wright, I do not care how good Winkys defence is, after even a few tito power shots on the arms the guard will slowly drop and then WHAM the KO will come, end of.

21y ago

Shaolin_Bushido

Good stuff boricua; What am I goin on about? There's obviously no corruption in boxing.

21y ago

Shaolin_Bushido

Yea, I don't even care who wins; I just hope it's a good, fair fight. Neither of you remember was in Mayorga's corner vs Tito?

21y ago

Run8964

LMAO...Didn't Nard himself said after the fight that it was all BS? I dont remember. I have to search. I do know, that Bouie Fischer conducted this interview after the Nard fight though. LOL. and Im sorry for hatin on your boy. I just am scratching, and clawing for every excuse in the book at this point. I am simply making "trouble" as usual, for the hard hitter. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

21y ago