Question about Chavez/Taylor.....

Taylor did take a bad beating but he did not fall off as many people believe as a result of this fight. Taylor went up to 147 and beat Aaron superman davis who had Ko'd mark breland for a Wba belt. If anything his fights at welterweight probably contributed more to his downfall than Chavez because he was facing harder hitters and also his pride would not allow him to not exchange punches. He would eventually take a beating from Crisanto Espana and lose his belt and then he went up and got a mugging thanks to Terry Norris. Exactly. it wasn't just this fight that made taylor a shot fighter and brain-damaged. it was repeated punishment over a series of fights, both in prize fights and probably in sparring (does anyone picture taylor not being involved in those famous philly gym wars?)

Taylor did take a bad beating but he did not fall off as many people believe as a result of this fight. Taylor went up to 147 and beat Aaron superman davis who had Ko'd mark breland for a Wba belt. If anything his fights at welterweight probably contributed more to his downfall than Chavez because he was facing harder hitters and also his pride would not allow him to not exchange punches. He would eventually take a beating from Crisanto Espana and lose his belt and then he went up and got a mugging thanks to Terry Norris.

That was just trying to get on his nerves a bit. He and I disagree all the time and I like to poke fun. In all seriousness I gave Chavez 2 rounds, but I could see him getting 3. It's been a while since I watched the fight and I have no intentions of watching it anymore. Not because of my respect for Taylor, or because I don't like Chavez. But because it's kind of a black eye on the sport as far as in-ring brutality goes. they should replay the fights that they do Legendary Night episodes for.

Taylor was never the same because despite outlanding Chavez, He was never able to stop the Chavez offensive. Chavez beat him up with vicious shots from the minute the fight started. But the Taylor cheerleaders of course never said nothing about that. But if one goes back puts the fight on mute, you realize exactly whats going on. Hell Chavez opened the first of MANY cuts inside taylors mouth in only the second round and ended the round by landing flush left hook, then a flush right, another flush right, and another left that had taylor a little wobbly. And big shots like these were going on throughout the fight. Taylor had already bled tons by the time the announcers finally gave chavez credit in the 10th round and i think i remember the 10th round chavez going back to his corner with both his arms drenched in bright red from taylors face. As borges said in that documentary talking about this fight, the most nationalistic fight ever to occur: at first it was hard to realize what had happened (Because emotions were so high obviously) but when you looked back, one guy got assaulted and the end is what happened.

damn, i just realized how old this thread is, fuck.

Dude, if you didnt give at least a round to Chavez you know nothing about boxing. That was just trying to get on his nerves a bit. He and I disagree all the time and I like to poke fun. In all seriousness I gave Chavez 2 rounds, but I could see him getting 3. It's been a while since I watched the fight and I have no intentions of watching it anymore. Not because of my respect for Taylor, or because I don't like Chavez. But because it's kind of a black eye on the sport as far as in-ring brutality goes.

there were two seconds left but a fight is 36 minutes long...so... seriously both guys fought great....i think taylor shouldve answered the ref when he asked him...i think he was seriously considering to quit if there was still a lot of time in the round....it was a bad stoppage but it is somewhat fundamneted because of taylor's failure to answer to the ref...

I agree that Taylor gave no verbal indication of his well being, and did glanc eover at his corner. That was because Lou Duva was going nuts on the ring apron. Anyway, I can't watch that video because I've seen it enough and it's painful to watch as a Taylor fan. I loved the dude growing up, but I hold no ill will towards Chavez either. I'm actually a pretty solid Chavez fan as well. I think they made each other in that fight, unfortunately for Meldrick, it was the last time he'd ever be great. I think that no matter which side you're on regarding the controversy, all can agree both these guys showed the hearts of warriors, and it was an excellent fight.

I saw Taylor look at Steele, and maybe he did nod, what happens immediately after that is why I don't think there should be such controversy: Steele counts to 8 and looks at Taylor: Steele:You OK? Taylor:.....(taylor does not answer, rather he looks at his corner) Steele: (again asks)You OK? Taylor:.....STILL NO ANSWER It doesnt matter that there were only a couple seconds in the fight, Taylor needed to answer the referee, and he didnt do it. I agree that Taylor gave no verbal indication of his well being, and did glanc eover at his corner. That was because Lou Duva was going nuts on the ring apron. Anyway, I can't watch that video because I've seen it enough and it's painful to watch as a Taylor fan. I loved the dude growing up, but I hold no ill will towards Chavez either. I'm actually a pretty solid Chavez fan as well. I think they made each other in that fight, unfortunately for Meldrick, it was the last time he'd ever be great.

Fact: Meldrick Taylor was up on the count of 8 and nodded to Richard Steele twice before Steele stopped the fight. I saw Taylor look at Steele, and maybe he did nod, what happens immediately after that is why I don't think there should be such controversy: Steele counts to 8 and looks at Taylor: Steele:You OK? Taylor:.....(taylor does not answer, rather he looks at his corner) Steele: (again asks)You OK? Taylor:.....STILL NO ANSWER It doesnt matter that there were only a couple seconds in the fight, Taylor needed to answer the referee, and he didnt do it.

Listen WIGGER! If you can't even give Chavez one round in 12 rounds then you are by far the biggest nutthugger on this site. Oh now I'm a wigger because I'm a white guy who had a black guy up on points by a large lead against a Mexican? :lol1: There's no way that Taylor was shutting out Chavez in that fight. Winning at the time of the stoppage? Of course. Chavez was landing brutal shots the entire fight, although he was being outworked, Chavez wasnt getting shut out, but I think that Taylor was surely on his way to a decision, but he needed to answer the ref, and he didnt do that. I'm not one to argue matters of opinion, so let's stick with the facts. Fact: Meldrick Taylor was up on the count of 8 and nodded to Richard Steele twice before Steele stopped the fight.

2 seconds, not even enough time for Chavez to walk to the middle of the ring, let alone make it to Taylor's corner, let alone hit him again. And Taylor was fucking Chavez up for 35 minutes and 58 seconds of that fight. Anybody who gave Chavez a single round in that fight was biased. Taylor's flurries were fast, effective, and powerful, as well as eye catching. Chavez landed some brutal shots as well but 1 or 2 big punches per round is not enough to win any of the rounds, especially when you're getting pounded by flurries every single round. There's no way that Taylor was shutting out Chavez in that fight. Winning at the time of the stoppage? Of course. Chavez was landing brutal shots the entire fight, although he was being outworked, Chavez wasnt getting shut out, but I think that Taylor was surely on his way to a decision, but he needed to answer the ref, and he didnt do that.

Pay attention, holmes. A.) I fully realize that there are many non hispanics who were fans of Chavez and the way he fought. I never said that, find me where I did and you get all my points. B.) What I said was "anyone who watched the fight who thought Chavez was winning had to be Mexican". Meaning they were viewing the fight with National pride on the line, and th ehonor of Mexico. Any human being with 2 eyes could see that Taylor was teeing off on Chavez like Tiger Woods. C.) Give me a round in which you gave to Chavez, just one. I dare you to find one that you could even make an argument that Chavez won it. Don't worry, I'll wait a while. ;) Listen WIGGER! If you can't even give Chavez one round in 12 rounds then you are by far the biggest nutthugger on this site.

Whats up with all this racist talk. Just because one favors his fighter all of a sudden he's Mexican. How stupid and childish can you be. Theres actually people out there that are white or black or chinesse or filipinio that are fans of Chavez. So stop the stupidity, "if you have Chavez winning then you must be Mexican," ok, Hitler we must all see the world through your eyes. Pay attention, holmes. A.) I fully realize that there are many non hispanics who were fans of Chavez and the way he fought. I never said that, find me where I did and you get all my points. B.) What I said was "anyone who watched the fight who thought Chavez was winning had to be Mexican". Meaning they were viewing the fight with National pride on the line, and th ehonor of Mexico. Any human being with 2 eyes could see that Taylor was teeing off on Chavez like Tiger Woods. C.) Give me a round in which you gave to Chavez, just one. I dare you to find one that you could even make an argument that Chavez won it. Don't worry, I'll wait a while. ;)

Yeah, I saw that and it pisses me off. Taylor was a hell of a fighter, and one of my heros growing up. I don't hold any ill will toward Chavez for beating him up physically, it was a fight and he did what he had to do. I do hold ill will towards people who think Chavez was winning though, it's a boxing match, not a "Rocky" movie. Just because you're hitting harder doesn't mean you're winning, especially when your opponet is hitting you with 7 or 8 unanswered punch combos at a time. They're all Mexican, the people who think Chavez won or was winning are I mean. You have to be, only blind Nationalistic views could make you think otherwise, especially if you actually watched the fight. ;) Whats up with all this racist talk. Just because one favors his fighter all of a sudden he's Mexican. How stupid and childish can you be. Theres actually people out there that are white or black or chinesse or filipinio that are fans of Chavez. So stop the stupidity, "if you have Chavez winning then you must be Mexican," ok, Hitler we must all see the world through your eyes.

Probably both. Did you see the post by Ultimate? If I hadn't seen the fight I would have thought that Chavez was actually winning. This is the mexican way of thinking. We cause more damage we win the fight. The problem with that way of thinking is winning ROUNDS in boxing is what decides the winner of a fight. Yeah, I saw that and it pisses me off. Taylor was a hell of a fighter, and one of my heros growing up. I don't hold any ill will toward Chavez for beating him up physically, it was a fight and he did what he had to do. I do hold ill will towards people who think Chavez was winning though, it's a boxing match, not a "Rocky" movie. Just because you're hitting harder doesn't mean you're winning, especially when your opponet is hitting you with 7 or 8 unanswered punch combos at a time. They're all Mexican, the people who think Chavez won or was winning are I mean. You have to be, only blind Nationalistic views could make you think otherwise, especially if you actually watched the fight. ;)

Probably both. Did you see the post by Ultimate? If I hadn't seen the fight I would have thought that Chavez was actually winning. This is the mexican way of thinking. We cause more damage we win the fight. The problem with that way of thinking is winning ROUNDS in boxing is what decides the winner of a fight. Yeah, I saw that and it pisses me off. Taylor was a hell of a fighter, and one of my heros growing up. I don't hold any ill will toward Chavez for beating him up physically, it was a fight and he did what he had to do. I do hold ill will towards people who think Chavez was winning though, it's a boxing match, not a "Rocky" movie. Just because you're hitting harder doesn't mean you're winning, especially when your opponet is hitting you with 7 or 8 unanswered punch combos at a time. They're all Mexican, the people who think Chavez won or was winning are I mean. You have to be, only blind Nationalistic views could make you think otherwise, especially if you actually watched the fight. ;)

Really? Is that why Meldrick nodded his head to Steele when Steele asked him if he was ok? Is that why Taylor was up on the count of 8? As for Medlrick looking away for a moment, that was dumbass Lou Duva's fault. He jumped up on the ring apron and starting acting like some kind of spastic monkey. Medlrick looked his way to see what was going on. Of course that was after Richard Steele got 2 head nods from Meldrick signaling he was ok and wanted to continue. Worst officiating job I've ever seen, and that's saying a lot. Chavez got owned by Taylor for almost 36 minutes straight. That said Chavez does punch like a mule and that's the reason Medlrick is not the same today, I won't argue that one bit. But anybody who agreed with that stoppage, or that Chavez actually "won" the fight is just lying to themselves....and they're probably Mexican. Probably both. Did you see the post by Ultimate? If I hadn't seen the fight I would have thought that Chavez was actually winning. This is the mexican way of thinking. We cause more damage we win the fight. The problem with that way of thinking is winning ROUNDS in boxing is what decides the winner of a fight.

steele wasnt biased either way, he was doing his job, taylor clearly would not look at him or acknowledge him when steele repeatedly asked him if he was ok, he had no choice but to stop the fight Really? Is that why Meldrick nodded his head to Steele when Steele asked him if he was ok? Is that why Taylor was up on the count of 8? As for Medlrick looking away for a moment, that was dumbass Lou Duva's fault. He jumped up on the ring apron and starting acting like some kind of spastic monkey. Medlrick looked his way to see what was going on. Of course that was after Richard Steele got 2 head nods from Meldrick signaling he was ok and wanted to continue. Worst officiating job I've ever seen, and that's saying a lot. Chavez got owned by Taylor for almost 36 minutes straight. That said Chavez does punch like a mule and that's the reason Medlrick is not the same today, I won't argue that one bit. But anybody who agreed with that stoppage, or that Chavez actually "won" the fight is just lying to themselves....and they're probably Mexican.

I would have just been happy if Meldrick had gotten the victory for all of that work he put in, it would have at least been something he could of gotten even thhrough all the damage he suffered in the aftermath.