"What Ifs" and P4P lists

Who do you have before him since you have him so low? They're talking pound for pound lists. He's easily a top three middleweight, but he's gotta be no higher than fifteen pound for pound.

P4P all-time! It's so many good fighters. I don't know where to begin.

I've recently tweaked by list a bit... 1. Ray Robinson 2. Harry Greb 3. Sam Langford 4. Roberto Duran 5. Henry Armstrong 6. Muhammad Ali 7. Willie Pep 8. Ray Leonard 9. Ezzard Charles 10. Joe Louis 11. Eder Jofre 12. Benny Leonard 13. Bob Fitzsimmons 14. Archie Moore 15. Carlos Monzon 16. Marvin Hagler

Wow, some of you have Hagler in your top 5, even top 3 of all-time? That's a little to high in my opinion. I believe i have him around 15. Who do you have before him since you have him so low?

Wow, some of you have Hagler in your top 5, even top 3 of all-time? That's a little to high in my opinion. I believe i have him around 15.

Hagler should be on everyones p4p list, regardless of the robbery against SRL.

f**k dlh halger...umm i think he's on everyone top 5 p4p..he's on of the best hands down..along with greats like louis-ali-sanchez-J.C.Chavez etc....i mean he did great things..that man was a tank..hard to drop and even harder to trade punches with...the man was amazing..sometimes in this sport you can lose a fight or lose a UD and come out a winner in true fans eye's from our era...Kosta Tuzyu(i know i speeled it wrong-hopkins-even tito might make it if he beats hopkins or fights true MW's-and MAB will be remembered for years to come damn u took the words out of my mouth, everyone knows he beat Sugar Ray. i will always have him a 3 p4p with or with the lost to sugar ray. my p4p list foreman/JCC/Halger/RJJ/ali

f**k dlh halger...umm i think he's on everyone top 5 p4p..he's on of the best hands down..along with greats like louis-ali-sanchez-J.C.Chavez etc....i mean he did great things..that man was a tank..hard to drop and even harder to trade punches with...the man was amazing..sometimes in this sport you can lose a fight or lose a UD and come out a winner in true fans eye's from our era...Kosta Tuzyu(i know i speeled it wrong-hopkins-even tito might make it if he beats hopkins or fights true MW's-and MAB will be remembered for years to come

Win or lose, Hagler was already an all-time great before the Leonard fight. However, if Marvin had been given the decision, i don't think it would've put him that much higher on the all-time lists, if at all. Leonard was considered over the hill, well past his prime, and consequently believed to be insane to want a bout against a fighter like Hagler. If anything, if the decision had gone the other way, i think it would've effected Leonard's legacy moreso than Hagler's. Regarding DLH, had he been given the decision against Trinidad and Mosley, he still wouldn't be in the top 50 all-time. In reality, against his best opposition (Quartey, Mosley, Trinidad, Whitaker, Vargas, Hopkins), his record reads 3-4. He wasn't too impressive against the elite fighters and that hurts his legacy in my opinion.

I think Hagler won that fight but is still assured a spot on any P4P list for his accomplishments, I'm sure that's not what you meant but it's late and a mahfucka is tired. As far as Oscar is concerned he has definitely grinded it out against some tough oppositions, he's won some shifty decisions and he's lost a few shifty decisions, both can probably be attributed to the fact that he's the "Golden Boy" and losing is sometimes good for boxings marketing as well. You want to capture him through the bad periods in his career so you can promote the next good moment and make shitloads of dough. Corruption in boxing aside Oscar was dominant as fuck at lightweight and was successful at welterweight and light middleweight as well, I think he could probably even be successful at middleweight still. Losing to Hopkins is no shame, even though it was a bit of a love tap, haha... I think we'll have to see what the future holds for De La Hoya...I don't know if he'll ever top any top P4P lists but I think that he may definitely be in the running depending on how the rest of his career holds up.