Watching MAB-Morales III, and noting how many big rights MAB got from Erik, a question sneaked up on me: Has Erik really brought with him the punch he packed as a Jr. Feather when he moved up in weight as seems to be widely thought?
Checking Morales' record, one finds that he has not put anyone away at Jr. Light! And at Featherweight, he had four ko victims, the most prominent of whom is Kevin Kelly whom he KOd in the 7th at El Paso in Sept 2000, when Kelly had already lost two of his last 6 fights. Kelly had earlier been trounced in 4 rounds by Naseem Hamed and even lost to a Benito Rodriguez who was 30-29-2 going into their meeting! Kelly had also drawn with an 18-8 Tommy Parks a couple of years before meeting Morales!
Another of Erik's victim was Gutty Espadas, Jr. whom he met twice. Morales failed to put Espadas away in their first bout--that he beat Espadas in the official cards was even widely viewed as controversial! Their second meeting, about two or three years later, had Erik making short work of Guty in 3. But Espadas had been KOd by William Abelyan who took the fight as a replacement on 4 days notice! Espadas fell once in the 6th and again in the 8th to Abelyan. Perhaps an indication of matchmakers' view of Espadas at this stage in his career is his slated fight at Bally's in Atlantic City against the up-and-coming former Olympic star, Rocky Juarez, on Dec. 3. That would be Espadas' 2nd fight after losing to Morales. He had gone up against Ramon Perez, whose record, as far as can be determined is that he is winless. It took Espadas 10 rounds to wrest a win by TKO.
Most of ERik's KO feats were achieved when he was a Superbantam. At that weight, he was a lumberjack!
What do you think?
Note: In another thread, I predicted a Morales win by Majority D, i.e., two judges calling it for Morales and one seeing it a draw. The result: Barrera by Majority D! Whew! :o :D
How teh fuck did he prove that that night was a fluke?!? cuz he beat Morales?!?! If anything that would have added credability to Pacman's win. And Mexican Boxing Power?!?! LMAO :D
^lmao that made me laugh to he sounded like he was cheering for a superhero! MEXICAN BOXING POWER!!! sounding like the POWER RANGERS hahaha.
I believe mannys ko's were do to being way to small! manny is naturally 135 pounds he had to lose tons of weight to fight at 112 pounds that was unhealthy for him and it affects the way you take a punch as well.
Pacman has been down and out for count, just in case you forgot. Morales hasn't and wont. Not even Barrera has been down and out. Barrera was beaten silly but he didn't go down for the count, his corner threw in the towel while Barrera was still on his feet. Barrera has already proved that Pacman vs Barrera was a fluke. He was not ready to fight. Morales will outclass your Pacman for sure.
Mexican boxing power!!!
How teh fuck did he prove that that night was a fluke?!? cuz he beat Morales?!?! If anything that would have added credability to Pacman's win. And Mexican Boxing Power?!?! LMAO :D
I believe he has punching power even though you do not ko a fighter all you need is a good clean shot on the kisser and down you go, unless the fighter is blessed with a good chin.
shut the fuck up bitch, if thats his opinion then so what you fucking faggot, you dont like it get the fuck out of here
Bitch? Faggot? Well well well what do we have here another tough ASS WANNA BE? :p Yeah class act . . . that's his opinon? Well I'm also posting my opinion . . . you have problem with that DICK HEAD? :D Now you better go with him to the doctor :rolleyes:
shut the fuck up bitch, if thats his opinion then so what you fucking faggot, you dont like it get the fuck out of here
Bitch? Faggot? Well well well what do we have here another tough ASS WANNA BE? :p Yeah class act . . . that's his opinon? Well I'm also posting my opinion . . . you have problem with that DICK HEAD? :D
That's right Bros Eric connected with his right both on the 7th and 8th rounds. The most clear power punch that Eric gave MAB on the whole fight.
morales going up in a higher division is likened to what oscar dela hoya did in his previous fights..he was sluggish because of the added weight..he is not in his natural fighting weight, so, his punch may be a little bit softer...
Barrera has already proved that Pacman vs Barrera was a fluke. He was not ready to fight.
WOW!! Thanks for your comment.
See.... If you have problems with PAC extremist, Please remember that theres mexican version too :D
Erik is a good puncher...fairly dangerous.
He'd be a better puncher if he had a better left hand.
He's too right hand happy.
good point...he relies on his right hand too much
Barrera's excuses kill me!!! If he fought Pac again he'd get KO'ed.If he really wanted to fight Pac again he would've arranged to fight him after his win over Morales. MAB caught beatdowns from 2 lefties & it looks like he has trouble with lefties that are quick & skilled. Even with his fight against a game but overmatched Ayala MAB was hit by some good left hand shots. If Ayala had any power he would've really hurt MAB in that fight. Morales has lost his power edge since moving to 126 & especially 130. He's got ok power but not enough to overwhelm fighters like he did at 122.
Pacman has been down and out for count, just in case you forgot. Morales hasn't and wont. Not even Barrera has been down and out. Barrera was beaten silly but he didn't go down for the count, his corner threw in the towel while Barrera was still on his feet. Barrera has already proved that Pacman vs Barrera was a fluke. He was not ready to fight. Morales will outclass your Pacman for sure.
Mexican boxing power!!!
How much of a punch does Morales really pack?
Enough to beat your silly face.
JeJe
Huh? enough to beat . . . my ASS! Is that your most sensible opinion? Your contribution to this thread?
Get out of here and get a life . . . see a doctor.
I see your point Jabs...
And Manny also has a fondness for his left; too much fondness for my taste, I must add. IMHO, it was that proclevity to throw lefts most of the time that put him in some predicaments during the JMM fight, after the initial round.
But the first round showcased power, don't you think? One doesn't deposit a Marquez too easily on a canvass; not three times in a single round. That, alongside the Barrera fight, demonstrates to me that Pac brought what he had at the lower weights up to featherweight. :)
I'm a little at a loss as to what happened to Erik's power as he went up in weight... :) Chavez and Carlos Hernandez are not exactly today's jr. lightweight versions of George Chuvalo and Tex Cobb... I think. Yeah, i dont see much power either.
Well said, my friend! Just asking, how did you score the fight round by round? The fight has been shown to our local cable network twice, unlucky for me, i wasn't able to watch the second telecast. Could have been that my score was inaccurate because i scored it 114-114! Well, one of the judges scored it that way, so it could have been right. I noticed that even if Barrera was throwing a lot of punches more than what Morales has been throwing, it was the latter who has the better hand speed! And if Morales has the better hand speed, why didn't he use this to his advantage? Do you agree with me here?
Is there something wrong with Morales? I thought he could have done much better! There were some rounds like 7 and 8 when i thought he's beginning to find his rhythmn and win but after that, Barrera comes back hitting some good shots and throwing everything like there's no tomorrow. So what do Morales do next? Will he fight Barrera again?
Will Barrera fight Pacquiao next? I believe that Barrera's style fit perfectly for Pacman which the latter has slight advantage of. If I were Pacquiao's manager, I would advise him to go for Barrera. Forget JMM, he will just outsmart him with his counterpunching. Pacquiao was the same slugger fighter that i know, strong and quick, nothing more nothing less. Fits perfectly for Barrera's style, isn't it?Hi, Buddy! I'm afraid I scored it much like the HBO crew did: had it for Barrera-- cumulative. But I saw most of the rounds to be pretty close (I won't argue too stridently against anyone who'd call many of them even, though I would if many are outright given to Erik. :) ), except 6 and 9 which I thought was clearly MAB's and 7 and 8 which I thought was clearly Morales.
I gave Barrera the 1st and Erik, the 2nd; both ways ever so slightly.
Like you, I'm left wondering why Erik did not do many of the things he was expected to do-- jab liberally to set up his right, for example. I don't kinow if something was wrong with him. Some are saying on this site that he carried too much weight (143, it was reported).
Erik, with the loss, I think has slid lower on Pac's laundry list; but not because he has abruptly diminished his chances against the Filipino sensation. It's just that, boxing fanatics as well as many of the mainstreamers (those who watch only bigfights and would rather spend more time with SEX AND THE CITY...) appear to be leaning toward two rematches: PAC-MAB and PAC-JMM. They look at these as UNFINISHED business, and because $$$$ speak loud, these, IMHO, would be given closer looks by HBO suits and the bigtime promoters concerned. Morales-Pac does not have as much lure as these two "UNFINISHED" matters.
Let me quickly add however that I think Pac and Morales must meet, sometime, possibly after those two. I said, "possibly", because, who knows, Pac, himself, can be involved in a trilogy or two... ;) (That could make him pretty wealthy, pretty quickly!) If that happens, Erik may have to wait out his turn longer. Who knows...?
With respect JMM-MAB, I don't think that would generate as much urgency as the two I have mentioned. I even think that it would be a little south on the scale of what Pac-Morales would generate. But having said that, an interesting prospect, too, would be Morales-JMM, if weight issues don't get in the way. Don't you think so? :)
Note: I predicted in a thread prior to the bout that it would be MD- Morales, with one judge calling it a draw. Look where that got me! Ha! Ha! Ha! I'm eating crow, buddy! Oh, well, what do I know... :o
Perhaps the question is how much of a chin does MAB have?That's a fair one; but how many times did MAB go down vs. Pacquiao, including the one in the sixth that the ref blew? And remember the first of the two Junior Jones-MAB fights? :)
Stack those up against the three Morales fights...?
Btw, Jones going into the fight vs. MAB had just a shade over 50% KO rate at 46 wins, 26 by KO/TKO. Morales, entered the ring last Saturday with a much more impressive KO rate: 46-1-0 with 34 KOs! Eight more than what Jones had when MAB's corner entered the ring after MAB fell twice before Jones resulting in a DQ5 at the Ice Palace in Tampa.
The question then is raised: how was Barrera able to stay on his feet (and even win two of the three meetings) against Morales who had 34 KOs and not be able to take Jones' who had 8 less KOs on his record? His chin held up to Erik's vaunted right, but he went down to Jones'! :confused:
I don't have THE answer, Pink... :) I can make a guess, but that's all can do... ;)
If the matchup is so bad, the first two fights wouldn't have been so close as to be controversial, wouldn't it be? If it were so bad a match-up--plain and simple, as you put it-- for Morales, wouldn't it make sense that Barrera would have dominated in all three fights? Morales, was widely seen as having won the second fight although he lost in the tally. If the match-up is simply bad, doesn't it make sense that he would have had lost that too? :confused:
If they fought 100 times, it would look exactly like the trilogy, you say. Each of those 100 will be just as close then? How simply bad a match-up can be when each of the two has a chance to win? Isn't it emblematic of a good match-up that results are close, instead of when results are close, a match-up is bad for one the fighters?
Forgive me, but I have always thought that the best fights are those where the two protagonists have, each, good chances of winning. And when those fights comprise a series of meetings between two EVENLY MATCHED FIGHTERS, they're sometimes dubbed as "rivalries" (especially, when bad blood gets into the mix). Wasn't MAB-Morales one?
So, ok, in the eyes of many, in the third meeting, MAB was superior. But can anyone say, he so dominated Morales that the match was not good for Morales, so plain and so simple? It was not as if Morales didn't get a single round! :confused: If the third match wasn't any good for Morales because of their respective styles, how can the two previous fights be good for Morales when basically both brought the same styles to the three fights with but minor adjustments? Again, I must point out, Morales is widely perceived as having taken the second outing! How bad was that match-up for him if his style wasn't any good to take on Barrera?!
I am inclined to agree with you however, that Morales hasn't seem to have brought much of his power with him from 122 to 130. ;) And, if you look at the thread starter, you will find that that is exactly the question that is being raised.
About Chavez, wouldn't it be easier to knock out a guy who punched only with one hand than one who kept punching with two? Wouldn't it be a lot less trouble to just wade in and deliver a whammy to the sucker? One need not have to worry too much about being counter-punched, after all! :rolleyes:
Exactly.
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